People talk about that spill as if it were some big deal.

In the macro worldwide sense, it is NOTHING. NADA. ZIPPO.

Look at this article about a 1-million-gallon hog lagoon spill in North Carolina:

Link

And that has become a fairly regular occurrence in that state (sadly enough) -- but not the end of the world. Not even close.

So why all the fuss over ONE 4 million gallon spill?

Grow UP, change your diapers!

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999

Answers

Spot the brain cell.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 18, 1999.

I'm trying Andy. How about a clue?

-- Wiseguy (got@it.gov), June 18, 1999.

Too much shit in the way.

-- Sorry (can't_find@his.brain.cell), June 18, 1999.

So why all the fuss over ONE 4 million gallon spill?

In the macro worldwide sense, it is NOTHING. NADA. ZIPPO.

Chicken

You can do better than that eh? It isn't a global problem, its your toilets problem.

you know.... where the chicken shit goes **BG**

-- Brian (imager@home.com), June 18, 1999.

==============> . (tm)Chicken Little aka kentucky_

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 18, 1999.

golly you guys have less intelligence than I thought (and that's saying something)

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

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-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 18, 1999.

might as well ask while I'm here --

do any of you have anything FACTUAL to add to this conversation?

or is it going to stop at the usual 6th-grade Andy crap, with you guys tagging along like 3rd-graders? meanwhile nothing added to the conversation besides your juvenile insults?

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

looking at all the above posts, they all look like Andy anyway. Trying to appear like multiple people.

Give it up, Andy.

You don't do that good a job at being one person.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

"Grow UP, change your diapers!"

Chicken Little's 7th grade insult.

"Look at this article about a 1-million-gallon hog lagoon spill in North Carolina"

These were caused by testing?

Come on chicken you can do better than that.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), June 18, 1999.

might as well ask while I'm here -- do any of you have anything FACTUAL to add to this conversation?

or is it going to stop at the usual 6th-grade Andy crap, with you guys tagging along like 3rd-graders? meanwhile nothing added to the conversation besides your juvenile insults?

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

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looking at all the above posts, they all look like Andy anyway. Trying to appear like multiple people. Give it up, Andy.

You don't do that good a job at being one person.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

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Hmmmmmm, interesting, talking to himself now...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 18, 1999.

Wright, Andy, whoever you are,

Point is, you folks are making a big deal out of a SPILL. A SPILL.

A spill is a spill. Stuff gets spilt. Can you understand that elementary concept? It doesn't matter what causes a spill, once the stuff gets spilt. Perhaps you've never spilled anything. Or seen a spill.

Stuff gets spilled all the time all over the world, for a thousand different reasons. Has happened thousands of times, over thousands of years.

There has been one spill caused by Y2k testing. All of a sudden we're looking at the end of civilization due to this one spill, according the chorus of Doomer Zombie idiots.

I see a huge gap in logic. If you don't, you should be put in a padded room, indefinitely. It's just that simple.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

just be sure that padded cell isn't the same one Andy's in....he likes those huge gaps I heard

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

Wright, Andy, whoever you are, Point is, you folks are making a big deal out of a SPILL. A SPILL.

A spill is a spill. Stuff gets spilt. Can you understand that elementary concept? It doesn't matter what causes a spill, once the stuff gets spilt. Perhaps you've never spilled anything. Or seen a spill.

Stuff gets spilled all the time all over the world, for a thousand different reasons. Has happened thousands of times, over thousands of years.

There has been one spill caused by Y2k testing. All of a sudden we're looking at the end of civilization due to this one spill, according the chorus of Doomer Zombie idiots.

I see a huge gap in logic. If you don't, you should be put in a padded room, indefinitely. It's just that simple.

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

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just be sure that padded cell isn't the same one Andy's in....he likes those huge gaps I heard

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), June 18, 1999.

Hmmmmm, fascinating, he's at it again.......

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 18, 1999.

He/She/It is kind of funny Andy. Big difference between Exon spills and "computer glitches".

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@hotmail.com), June 18, 1999.

LOL See how frustrated they get when they can't get you going with their little games? He's practically begging someone to argue with him! Heheheheh

I still say ignoring them would be best, but this is working pretty good too.

-- Ready & Waiting (not@home.com1), June 18, 1999.

With regard to the Duplin Co., NC, hog waste lagoon spill, Chicken Little said, "And that has become a fairly regular occurrence in that state (sadly enough) -- but not the end of the world. Not even close."

No, it's not the end of the world. But without the moratorium on new hog farms (now two years old), it might be for a good part of North Carolina. The Neuse River, a source of drinking water, fishing and other recreations, is heavily polluted with hog farms the major culprit (especially the periodic waste spills); drinking water wells are contaminated (proven to be from hog waste from nearby farms); UNC has found people have a much greater incidence of respiratory and other illnesses near hog farms; and so on. The stink, I understand, makes your eyes water and leaves you gagging.

Since the moratorium was instituted and stricter regulations imposed, hog producers have begun eyeing Georgia. The Georgia legislature is rushing regulations through so that their state is not raped by the hog farmers. BTW, "hog farmer" means at least 4500 animals--we are not talking small family farms here.

One 4-million-gallon sewage spill, very quickly contained, does not a disaster make. It's the implications that have people concerned. Anyone who lives in North Carolina, especially the poor souls near the enormous hog farms, can understand the implications of the sewer spill. One of the reasons there hasn't been much trouble lately is because exports, and consequently production, have dropped precipitously, to the point where the government is supplying about $50m in aid to the depressed industry.

No it's not the end of the world--unless your drinking water comes from the Neuse, a well supplies your drinking water, or you live in the same area as a hog operation.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), June 18, 1999.

Yep, stuff gets spilled, sometimes by computer malfunction. Yep, no big deal. Yep, some natural gas got spilled the other day. Yep, by a computer error. Yep, no big deal. UNLESS you happen to be related to the 2 kids killed.

C

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), June 18, 1999.

Well, doggone, if it's no big deal, Chicken, you won't mind if we send the whole 4 million gallons to your coop. Enjoy!

-- Sandmann (Sandmann@alasbab.com), June 18, 1999.

Ready & Waiting, I agree the best policy is to ignore them, but with Andy it doesn't seem to work. Still it is best to ignore him.

-- Tired (of@all.this), June 18, 1999.

X that by 1,000s and you have a lot of shit!

-- Paul Revere (panic@forthepeople.net), June 18, 1999.

Yo, Chicken Shittle, is this gull a friend of yours?

THE gull that has made a car park attendant's life a misery for the past four summers is back.

Donald Weston, 54, who runs Wellington Street car park in Gloucester, has to endure constant attacks from the gull, which swoops on him every time he leaves his hut but leaves his customers alone. The use of a motorcycle helmet, even disguises, have not fooled the gull, which Mr Weston has named the Wellington Bomber.

It subjects him to varied aerial attacks each June, often divebombing him with vomit or droppings. The 500 people who use the car park each day are never attacked. Two days ago, the bird made its first appearance of the year when it landed on a chimney pot overlooking the car park. As soon as Mr Weston left his hut, the gull swooped.

Mr Weston has been on a diet for the past few weeks in the hope of being able to out-run the bomber. He said: "I was shattered last year when I had to run all over to get away from him. I was limping all over the car park for weeks afterwards. It's no good trying to disguise myself, it always recognises me. It even knows my cough. If I walk across the park with anyone it leaves me alone. It only goes for me when I'm on my own."

The attacks began in 1995. Mr Weston believes that the gull may be the chick he rescued in the park and was angered by being put in the boot of his car. This year, however, it has not attacked with its normal intensity.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), June 18, 1999.

"In the macro worldwide sense, it is NOTHING. NADA. ZIPPO."

I really like this argument. It can cope with anything. Up to and including world wars.

"World wars? They happen two or three times every century, right? Perfectly normal. In the macro worldwide sense, that is."

It all depends on your perspective. (Note: the 'Quaternary period" began about 3 million years ago.) From an article on the Pleist ocene Epoch:

"Core samples of deep ocean sediments provide evidence that there were more than 16 glaciations during the Quaternary Period, starting at the beginning of the Pleistocene Epoch. Each glaciation lasted about 100,000 years, progressing slowly and hesitantly from a warm interval (called an interglacial period) to colder and colder conditions, until huge ice sheets covered most of Canada. There was a marked transition from glaciers to renewed warmth. The present relatively warm, ice-free period may mark the end of the last ice age, or it could be an interglacial or even an interstadial interval (a pause before the next advance).

"In the macro worldwide sense, it is NOTHING. NADA. ZIPPO."

No worries, mates.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), June 18, 1999.

Chicken: As usual, you look at each piece if evidence in a vacuum, just like the OJ jury. OF COURSE if you look at things through a pinhole you can't see the big picture.

Thanks for demonstrating to the newbies how the polly mindset works.

-- a (a@a.a), June 18, 1999.

Subject:	Re: [VAN NUYS] Y2K Test Causes Huge Sewage Spill
Date:	1999/06/18
Author:	Paul Milne <fedinfo@halifax.com>
	Posting History

nospam@nospam.net wrote in message <7kcest$2k0f@enews1.newsguy.com>... >"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-america.net> wrote: >>  Trying to extrapolate the test of a water reclamation >>system (that was tested "on line") into failures of chemical and nuclear >>generating plants is not "objective reasoning". > >Oh, and objective reasoning comes when you're popping your friggin KI >pills because some  nuke plant cooling pump "failed to report it's >condition" ? > >Sorry, but the real stress test comes near the end of the year and >lasts into 2000. > >This anal acamemic crap gets annoying after a while in the real world. > >   brock is an asshole. forget him. The important lessons to be learned from the sewage spill are...   1. It was NOT caught before the damage was done. 2. They did not have a manual overide in place to STOP the spill. 3. If it was a spill of a toxic chemical , you tell me how they would have manually stopped a cloud of toxic gas from expanding. 4.They were supposed to be competent EXPERTS, but they PROVED to be incompetent rubes. 5. This is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the damaging consequences to come.   This is a metaphor for Y2K. Quite funny actually, that we have as a first 'major' reported Y2K incident , the shit spilling all over the place.   Paul Milne

-- a (a@a.a), June 18, 1999.

"anal acamemic".... I like that. Describes the anal Polly slave-to- academia meme.

And where on earth is Poole? Flew to LA to get the model & serial #s?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 18, 1999.

Let's see; A y2k test in LA leads to a 4 million gal sewer spill. Some sort of computer Malfunction up in Bellingham leads to 200+thousand gallons of gasoline spilling into a creek and incinerating three kids. A computer "problem" in Port Huron Mich causes too much Nat Gas to be fed into pilot lights, causing 39 house fires. Look, I don't know squat about computers, I've got web tv. I stumbled on to Cory Hamasaki's site months ago,and started to read about y2k and started to prepare. It seems his"Jo Ann effect" in which computer foul ups will become more and more frequent as 2000 approaches, is starting to happen.

-- Ralph Kramden (OrBusman@webtv.net), June 18, 1999.

Interestring, can you provide links that demonsterate the Washington State and Michigan incidents are Jo-Anne effect related? The LA sewage spill obviously is not as it has to do with testing.

-- Joe Six-Pack (Average@Joe.Blow), June 18, 1999.

Old Git:

Have you sold your house yet?

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), June 18, 1999.

Sometimes a big spill of hazardous material can do a lot of damage. Maybe some here recall Union Carbide's disaster at Bhopal in 1984, which released 40 tons of methyl isocyanate, hydrogen cyanide, and other gases to the atmosphere, "killing over 8,000 people in its immediate aftermath and causing multisystemic injuries to over 500,000 people. The number of deaths has risen to over 16,000 in the subsequent years..." See http://www.corpwatch.org/trac/feature/india/profiles/bhopal /original.html.

Just another industrial accident. They happen all the time. "In the macro worldwide sense, it is NOTHING." There! See how easy it is?

No doubt all chemical plants in the U.S. have safety mechanisms designed to prevent accidental hazmat releases. Will all computer- related functions involved in these mechanisms experience the Y2K rollover successfully? Let's hope they will.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), June 20, 1999.

Tom, to answer your question, let us quote verbatim the written safety-control methods one enormous highly toxic/lethal chemical plant gave us:

"Layers of Prevention

At _______, protecting the safety and health of our employees and the citizens of the local community is our primary concern. ________ has implemented many systems and programs throughout the plant to make sure the health and safety of the employees and the local citizens are protected. These systems and programs make up our Layers of Prevention to minimize the impact of accidental releases of hazardous chemicals.

The Layers of Prevention include designing storage and handling systems for safety. This is achieved in part by following up-to-date engineering and design standards that incorporate automatic and manual shut-off valves. By installing emergency shutdown systems and the construction of secondary containment for liquid storage vessels.

The Layers of Prevention however cannot be maintained without highly skilled and trained maintenance employees. These employees use state-of-the-art diagnostic tools to support a preventative maintenance program throughout processes.

Prevention of accidental releases begins with operations. This Layer of Prevention is achieved by maintaining detailed written operating procedures. The procedures include continuous computer and operator monitoring with frequent Safety Reviews and Process Hazard Analysis. Audits by Plant and Corporate Personnel and immediate incident investigations and follow-up provide an additional Layer of Prevention."
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Reassuring, eh?
" ... following up-to-date engineering and design standards that incorporate automatic and manual shut-off valves ... The Layers of Prevention however cannot be maintained without highly skilled and trained maintenance employees. These employees use state-of-the-art diagnostic tools to support a preventative maintenance program throughout processes ... procedures include continuous computer and operator monitoring ..."

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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), June 20, 1999.