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To all you Y2K procrastinators! You have about 100 days left to prepare. After that you will be joining the STAMPEDE!!! Food is cheap now, but will be expensive when it becomes scarce!!! Water barrols are cheap now, but in October they will be expensive!!! EVERYTHING IS CHEAP NOW, BUT IN OCTOBER PRICES COULD DOUBLE!!!


-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), June 17, 1999


You can see the handwriting on the wall. The super wealthy control the financial markets. They are driving up the Dow up to 12000 and above, and they will then bail out in September. In the mean time they are driving Gold down and down, so they can buy low with all their stockmarket profits!

Like Freddie said, stock up now or forget it!

For the common man, take your money out of the bank NOW, and buy Silver (poor mans gold) while the price is at rock bottom ( $5 an ounce) and watch the price of Silver go up to $100 an ounce!

Procrastinate, and you'll miss out on the biggest financial opportunity of a life time!

-- Y2K ready (Y2Kready@aol.com), June 17, 1999.

It is summertime and right now FIREWOOD is a plenty! In October it will be way over priced and IMPOSSIBLE to get!

Buy firewood now, or forget it!

Procrastinators will be cold this winter!

-- smitty (smitty@sandiego.com), June 17, 1999.

To all you polly's like Y2K Pro, etc.

Even though you think Y2K will not amount to much, the PANIC this Fall will cause a financial collapse that will put us into a deep DEPRESSION.

If you pollys fail to prepare for this collapse, you will definately suffer for it!

What are you guys going to tell your children, when they are hungry?

Sorry, I didn't know?

-- &&& (&&&@&&&.com), June 17, 1999.

We do not have 100 days left. It is somewhat LESS.

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), June 17, 1999.

Oh good school must have let up, and all the trolls are coming out in full force. "TRILLIONS DEAD IN OCTOBER, BILL GATES IS BUILDING AN ISLAND WITH HIS BARE HANDS, AND THE BLUE AND WHITE SIGNS ON THE INTERSTATE ARE WATCHING US". Why don't you guys find some other hobby to occupy your time with. 97% of the people on this forum are intelligent enough to see through your little games. Y2K is serious business and doesn't need to be belittled by your trolling.

-- KNOCK IT OFF (Had@EnoughOfYour.Games), June 17, 1999.

This was written about Russia/China, BUT it describes the attitude toward Y2K perfectly also. This is WHY freddie is right:

) 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

America believes in its own invincibility. We believe that nobody can touch us, that nobody can defeat us. In America we have something called the pursuit of happiness. In Moscow and Beijing they have something called the hydrogen bomb. Imagine, if you will, a contest between two great powers. One is predicated on the pursuit of happiness, the other is predicated on nuclear war.

Late on Monday, a panel of the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board released a 57-page report. In essence, the report describes what happens when a country predicated on "the pursuit of happiness" attempts to keep secrets from countries predicated on nuclear war. First, the secrets are stolen. Second, the American department in control of these secrets -- the Department of Energy -- continues to resist all security and anti-espionage measures.

"Perhaps most troubling," says the report, "... is the evidence that the lab bureaucracies, after months at the epicenter of an espionage scandal with serious implications for U.S. foreign policy, are still resisting reforms."

In a country based on the pursuit of happiness, security gets in the way. It is inconvenient. In fact, it is very Nazi-like to suspect people of espionage and treason. The Department of Energy resents its security obligation. Our employees don't fly through the air on broomsticks, they say. So let us take the witch-hunt somewhere else!

This, in brief, is the attitude of our bureaucrats. To some extent, it is the underlying attitude of our whole country. Here we begin to see how and why "organizational disarray, managerial neglect and a culture of arrogance ... conspired to create an espionage scandal."

If only espionage was the worst of it.

Last February I was at a party in Washington. A journalist I knew introduced me to a retired CIA analyst. For purposes of this article I will call him "Fred." As it happens, Fred and I discussed the threat from Russia and China. Fred didn't think there was a threat. As a matter of fact, he bragged that if Russia tried anything against us, "we'd blow them off the map without mussing our hair."

Fred was quite aware of Russia's war preparations. He knew they were building underground cities. He knew they had just deployed a new regiment of mobile ICBMs. He knew their submarines were quieter. But none of it mattered. Fred just rolled his eyes. "They can't do anything to us," he assured me.

The next day I met another former CIA employee, Peter Vincent Pry. Having read Pry's two-volume work, "The Strategic Nuclear Balance," I was interested in his opinion of Fred's statements on American invincibility.

"Fred is a good man," said Pry. "One of the better people at CIA, but. ..."

Pry told me of an incident that happened in the 1980s, "during Fred's watch." It seems the Russians had positioned themselves for a nuclear first strike against the United States. The warning signs were everywhere. Apparently Fred was in charge of the analysis, and he got it wrong. Because of Fred, we failed to raise our alert status or otherwise counter the Russian moves. If the Russians had gone ahead with a strike, we would have been wiped out.

"The CIA has since admitted the mistake," said Pry, "but Fred never did."

People like Fred have constructed a cocoon of illusion around our nation's policy-makers. Their belief in America's invulnerability goes unquestioned. Therefore, Chinese espionage is not important. Everything is fine.

Arrogance never admits its mistakes. It just keeps making them.

The president's panel describes a "culture of arrogance" at the Department of Energy. This same arrogance can be found in many other places, too. It permeates the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon and most of the federal government.

In "The Gingerbread Race," Andrei Navrozov characterized America's arrogance as "solipsistic." My dictionary says that a solipsist is convinced of his own power and reality, but skeptical of the reality and power of everyone else.

In this context, we have all the good things the rest of the world wants. But it's time to wake up and realize that we are hated and envied for what we have. The butchers of Beijing hate us. The Communists and nationalists in Russia hate us. The Iraqis and North Koreans hate us. Are we to believe that our happiness is the ultimate reality, while the hatred of other countries counts for nothing?

"We'd blow them off the map without even mussing our hair," says Fred.

When a society pursues happiness too long and too successfully, that society becomes soft. And as it seeks comfort in things, it also seeks comfort in ideas. And no idea is more comforting than the idea of invincibility.

President Clinton tells us that his administration has taken "unprecedented steps to reduce the vulnerability of our secrets at the labs.'' In telling us this, President Clinton is seeking to comfort us. He knows that comfort is what the American people want -- not truth. In fact, the truth is often hard and sometimes ugly. It makes people uncomfortable.

So the culture of arrogance marches on.

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J.R. Nyquist is a WorldNetDaily contributing editor and author of 'Origins of the Fourth World War.'

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-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), June 17, 1999.

Knock - you know, I think they must have an email ring where they plan this stuff. Notice how some threads are filled up with a dozen 'YOU DA BOSS' posts by the time they have been up 10 minutes? That is a dead giveaway. So is the way certain things get spread around - just recently, and all very close together in timing - North prints a gas/oil doom essay, Y2Knewswire has another one, some guy who has been 'studying Y2K for two years and just heard about this forum' (where was he studying? under a rock?) puts out supposed FIRST HAND stuff from engineers in the oil industry - and I am told a couple of other fora had similar posts. If this kind of thing happened once in a great while, I would pass it off as chance. But when it happens over and over, chance starts taking a real beating as an explanation.

Something is going on behind the scenes that isn't kosher on open forums - some organized group of D&G's is trying to pull strings behind the scenes. I just wonder if they are connected to the Y2K commercial interests or just think they are doing a service to the community.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

Hey Paulyanna, are you becoming a conspiracy believer??? HAHAHA!!!

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

Pul - you really ARE paranoid :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 17, 1999.

Hey Andy,

Do you think Paulyanna might have caught the conspiracy meme virus from you??? :-)

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

Paul do you think it could be the work of the Bavarian Illuminati?

-- a (a@a.a), June 17, 1999.


it's possible, possible, i do my best as you know to "spread the word" :)


-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 17, 1999.


You need to receive immediate treatment for this conspiracy meme you've obviously contracted. Rush back to Der Boonkah and have CPR administer the antidote, lest you permanently become one who views the world through paranoid eyes...

The fact that you're paranoid doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't out to get you, Paulyanna...

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

Deputy Davis (DUH HUH) strikes again. Conspiracy Paul? You bet....we've all gotten together and: Andy's going to tackle you, a's going to put you in a full nelson and Milne's planning on giving you the "ultimate" weggie.....jerk.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), June 17, 1999.

paul davis is a subgenious!!!paranoid feces eatin' freak!!!

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.

As Tom Sullivan used to say, "It's not paranoia when your fears are based on facts." Right Paul?

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), June 17, 1999.

Paul -

Consider: the world of "Y2K News" is just another example of the amazing power of the Internet. The speed of transmission that you're seeing is not the result of organization or conspiracy, it's just a manifestation of the close links within the various fora. A "Y2K News Item" of any kind which hits some site ("de Jager's Press Clippings", "Gary North", "Washington Post", "C.S.Y2K", you name it) is often transmitted within the "network" in a matter of minutes. Not planned, not controlled, and certainly not organized. Just another example of the wonders of "Dah Net"...

On the other hand, I could be completely in the dark 'cuz I missed all the organizational meetings. 8-}]

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), June 17, 1999.

Well all along I thought it was zoobie doing the cut-and-pastes of the paranoid demento Subgenious/Church of Bob. But maybe it was Paul Davis?

Paul, you realise that if you try to track down those of us in the Secret Doom and Gloom Cabal, we'll give you info and let you think you have the truth, but mostly we'll feed you disinfo to make you look stupid. (Ooops too late.) One limited hang-out at your own limited hangout (y2k debunker forum) and you'll be chasing your sorry tail for weeks. Even iff we didn't exist, we would have to invent you, heh heh heh. You're the perfect manchurian candidate yourself, Paully. The perfect tool of SDGC. Our mind-control experts have for years strived to create a decoy doofus pollyana capable of breathtakingly creative flights of stupidity. Stupidity of a such quality that it is obvious to all. A persistent, annoying, astoundingly dense polly that would further our Doom and Gloom agenda until we have the world where we want it. (more maniacal laughter.) "Gentlemen, we have the technology."

SDGC see all, hear all, and know all.

Vincibus Eruptum!

-- number two (Iam_not_a_nimber@hotmail.com), June 17, 1999.


-- Butt Nugget (nugbuttet@bettermousetrap.com), June 17, 1999.

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