I live in a small development, in a small suburb in the southwest corner of the Minneapolis area. A cop lives across the street with his family. He has 2 brothers who live just minutes away and his mom is not too far either. When I asked him about Y to K he said that at work there have been weekly meetings about what the police can expect on New Years eve. They are preparing for "crimes of opportunity", such as if a stores alarm system goes belly-up due to no electricity or if it can't handle the date roll-over. They would expect the criminal element to try to take advantage of such things. Beyond that they are just getting ready for a typical new years. On the home front he said that they have 3 generators between all the family members in the area and if necessary they would all group together into one or two of the homes and wait it(YtoK) out. Sounds like an O.K. plan to me> I didn't think to ask him about food and water, I will next time we are talking. By the way, they are heavily armed and I don't think they would turn in their weapons even if Klinton were to pass some stupid-assed law requiring them to do so. Having this guy across the street makes me feel a little safer

-- rick (I'mset@home.house), June 15, 1999

Answers

Regarding handing in guns -- I read the other day that 1 in 3 American homes has at least one firearm. Pity anyone whose job it is to go house to house seizing them. I don't think it's gonna happen.

-- gotta (get@more.ammo), June 15, 1999.

Got a relative who's a cop and he said that they expect that the 911 system will be overloaded,( even if working), and response times will be greatly increased! When the bad guys figure this out, crime is expected to skyrocket with the criminals becomming much more brazen. The police expect; 1. organized gangs will hit banks, jewelry and gun shops, 2.groups of petty criminals will become more brazen and home invasion robberies and assaults will skyrocket; (They'll kick down your door or shatter a window and you better have a 12 gauge to greet them, dialing 911 won't cut it anymore!) 3. Muggings, carjackings, ( if there's any fuel.....bikejackings???) and rapes will increase dramatically. 4. anti-government militia and racial and anti-sematic hate groups are expected to us this opportunity to attack members of groups they hate. Basically, any criminals, be they burglars, robbers, muggers, rapists, child molesters, etc. are going to see a wide open, unprotected populace to prey upon! Those with a score to settle against an ex-wife, former boss,lawyer or whomever they feel has wronged them, ( used car salesman...hmmmmm) may use this opportunity to get even. He also said that the police will be so overloaded that many calls will never be answered! "You're gonna be on your own so plan accordingly",he then went on to recommend a shotgun I should buy for home defense!!....think about it!!!!

-- Ralph Kramden (OrBusman@Webtv.net), June 15, 1999.

Ralph

While the first three scenarios sound possible I am confused about number 4. Why would we ("anti-gov" militas) prey on the general populace during a disruption? And what exactly would we do? Do they mean that we will give out more pamphlets describing private gun use studies? Perhaps they will have thirty or more pages (making them "assault pamphlets"). Perhaps they fear we will, while most fax machines are without power, use our fax machines powered by UPS or generators to flood newspapers with Dr. Klecks works on gun control. Hopefully they can guard the libraries so we don't donate more copies of Dr. Lott's "More guns, less crime".

Since the struggle to preserve our second amendment rights is at this point an information war only, I can't see what the police are planning for. Even the FBI is bored with us at this point.

Oh well. I'll just chalk it up to TV based preceptions. Pity the police fell for it though.

P.S. Ask Norton how remediation is going at the sewage plant.

Bang! Zoom!

And keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.net), June 15, 1999.

IMHO

If the bad guys are going to be looking for anything it is going to be drugs, guns, and fuel.

Just a guess.

-- Brian (imager@home.com), June 15, 1999.

The Militia is _not_ the enemy the politicians and traditional press would have you believe. The Militia may well be the local structure which protects your neighborhood.

-- A. Hambley (a.hambley@usa.net), June 15, 1999.

To clarify no.4 for eyes open; He,( my cousin the cop) didn't say that militia members would prey on the populace at large, but that the more militant groups and Tim McVeigh types would use this opportunity to attack symbols of the Government; like cops,FBI,beauracrats politicians, liberal media personalities, (Remember the Alan Berg assassination?) and attack banks, armorys, gun shops,etc. In general, try to destablize the situation even more.I happen to work with a neo-nazi and that pleasent fellow has made comments about who's gonna get their's when the hammer falls. BTW; Norton sez we're in a world of s..t!

-- Ralph Kramden (OrBusman@webtv.net), June 15, 1999.

Ralph

Thanks for the clarification. Guess I get a little sensitive when we get grouped with racists and the like.

Take care and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.net), June 15, 1999.

You'll never get my Korbel '99 you commie bastards! Blam Blam!!

-- necktie party (champaigne@1999.com), June 15, 1999.

Bear in mind that crooks aren't dumb. They know that there's only so many cops, and that at any given time NORMALLY they can only answer so many calls. If they figure out -or just arbitrarily decide- that the police are going to be overworked, and that the chances of them being able to do something and get away with it will be higher, then...

Well, think about it. A lot more crimes WILL take place on millenium eve, even if the police didn't have any other problems.

Leo

-- Leo (lchampion@ozemail.com.au), June 15, 1999.

Rick: Please contact me. I post as MinnesotaSmith, and have a hard- core Y2K website. The site is www.y2ksafeminnesota.com; my E-mail & a mailing address are on the site's home page. I am looking for fellow GIs who live anywhere near me (my PO box is in Edina).

-- MinnesotaSmith (y2ksafeminnesota@hotmail.com), June 15, 1999.

does anyone have a national # of cops out there?if we've only got 2 and a half million military,so I'd expect the #to be much lower

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), June 17, 1999.