Is The Comet C/Lee Nostradamus' Comet?

By Colonel James B. Ervin 6-13-99 Roughly seven months ago I embarked on a personal journey of discovery and investigative research. This, to determine whether or not there might be any real substance to a new interpretation of Nostradamus prophecies by author "Stefan Paulus."

Paulus' book, "Nostradamus 1999 -Who Will Survive," very credibly explores the possibility that an Earth threatening comet will be discovered during the Total Solar Eclipse of August 11, 1999.

Consequently, this possibility so deeply disturbed me, that I began to systematically investigate the obvious question: "Is there a comet which correlates to the criteria specified in Paulus' new interpretation of the Nostradamus' Prophecies?" My first three months of research had me firmly convinced that there wasn't a comet capable of fulfilling Nostradamus' Prophecies - then in mid April came the advent of Comet C/1999 H1 (Lee).

Here, in part, is what I have learned concerning the possibilities that this comet might be capable of fulfilling Nostradamus' only specifically dated prophecy:

The Prophecy: (Century 10 - Quatrain 72)

The year 1999, the seventh month, from the sky will come a great King of Terror: Resuscitating the great King of the Mongols, Before and after Mars to reign Happily.

The above quatrain is now being interpreted by Paulus, and a host of Nostradamus scholars, as meaning that a monstrous comet will pass near the Earth sometime between July and September 1999, awakening a Genghis Khan type warrior. Both before and after the comet passes, war will reign happily.

Q: Is the seventh month July or September?

A: During Nostradamus' day both the Gregorian and Julian calendars were is use. Therefore, it seems reasonable to conclude that the seventh month referred to - could be July or September. However, it should be noted the word seven used in the above (C10 - Q72) prophecy does mean "Sept. " in the original French. Consequently, most Nostradamus scholars now conclude that the seventh month must refer to September.

Q: What will happen when the comets passes by the Earth?

A: According to various interpretations of the Nostradamus prophecies, the tail of this comet contains a hidden cometary, asteroid, or meteor fragment in its tail. When the comet passes by the Earth in September, the fragment will fall out of the comets' tail and slam into the Mid Atlantic Rise, creating a massive 2000/3000 Ft tidal wave. This tsunami will inundate all the coastal areas of North America and Europe, as well as the Pacific Rim area and Sub-Continents.

Reference Links:

http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/tps-seti/spacegd7.html

http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/

http://sherpa.sandia.gov/planet-impact/asteroid/

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Q: When will the comets close approach be noticed?

Note: The following prophecies are direct extracts from Stefan Paulus' book "Nostradamus 1999 - Who Will Survive."

A: C3 - Q34 Prophecy:

When the eclipse of the Sun will then be, In broad daylight the monster will be seen: Everyone will differ on the interpretation, High price unguarded: none will have prepared.

Note: There will be a Total Solar Eclipse on August 11,1999.

The line of totality of this eclipse begins at dawn in a point located about 700 kilometers to the east of the city of New York, to follow by the North Atlantic until briefly touching land in the south of England, directing itself soon towards France -(Nostradamus' Homeland *) crossing Normandy, passing by just 30 kilometers to the north of Paris at 10:23 U.T., leaving the French country by Strasbourg -; then it crosses the south of Belgium, Luxembourg and the south of Germany (Stuttgart, Munich); it follows by Austria (Salzburg and Graz are in the line of totality); and it continues by Hungary, Romania - where the eclipse arrives at its maximum duration, 2 minutes and 23 seconds, at 11:03 U.T., shortly before happening over Bucharest -; and Bulgaria, where it leaves European land entering into the Black Sea. It touches the northwest coasts of Turkey in the city of Cide, and continues way of Asia by all this country, crossing the deserts of Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan, to finish at local dusk in India. * (Text Added for emphasis)

Note: When a comets ephemeris (orbital trajectory) takes it behind the Sun, Occultation (as its known), by the Suns coronal disc and solar glare will hide it from view. Thus, when a comet is traveling behind the Sun, it cannot be seen from the Earth (or satellite) until it has fully completed its perihelion (closest approach) to the Sun, and then emerges from solar glare.

Note: When a comet which has exited Occultation, but is still hidden from Earth view by solar glare, some ground based telescopes and satellites, such as SOHO/LASCO may be able to observe the comet. Especially, during a "Total Solar Eclipse."

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Q: Does Comet C/1999 H1 (Lee's) ephemeris closely match the comet mentioned in Nostradamus' prophecies?

A: Yes. This newly discovered (Long-Period) comet has many Nostradamus scholars worried. Why? Because its orbital ephemeris ( Posted Below) closely matches several key prophecies.

POST OF C/1999 H1 LEE EPHEMERIS

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Courtesy of: http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/RecentObs.html

C/1999 H1 (Lee)

IAU Circular 7144 (April 16, 1999) reports the visual discovery of a comet by Steven Lee on April 16.5 UT. The comet was discovered at a star party near Mudgee, New South Wales. The comet is described as 9th magnitude, diffuse and no tail. Gordon Garradd (Loomberah, Australia) gives m2=13.9 - 14.2. He states that the comet has a 3' coma and is slightly elongated towards the north.

Orbital elements and an ephemeris published in MPEC H06 and IAUC 7147 (both 4/19/99) indicate that this is a long period comet with a perihelion date of July 11.4 at a distance of 0.71 AU. Unfortunately, the comet will be on the other side of the Sun and solar conjunction (thus, not visible) around perihelion. The comet will move rapidly north in May and it will brighten to m1=7.0-7.5 before being lost in solar glare. The comet should be visible from both hemispheres in the evening sky by mid-May. (Currently, the comet is only visible from the Southern Hemisphere.) After perihelion, the comet will emerge from the solar glare in mid-August at m1~7.5-8.0 to become a Northern Hemisphere circumpolar object in September (dec reaching nearly +60). The comet will slowly fade.

For additional information, please visit the following link.

Online Simulator Link Page: http://www.astroarts.com/

While at the Astroarts Page: (Go to 1999 Comets Page - Find C/1998 H1 Lee) The comet is mislabeled. Then run the orbital simulator from August 11, 1999 through November 7, 1999. Do it from a variety of declination angles and aspects. As you do so, you will note that this comets simulated ephemeris has it in a high solar (northern) passage over the Earth around November 6/7.

This, of course, begs several questions, not the least of which are:

1. Why isn't this comets close passage being reported in the media?

2. What happens if the comets orbital ephemeris is altered by an unanticipated

Solar event? ect,ect ...

Note: You will also notice, if you go to the following links, that C/1999 H1 Lee comes out of the direction of Cancer. Again, just as prophesied by Nostradamus.

[See C6 - Q6 Prophecy in Additional Prophecies below.]

Link Page: http://www.drdale.com/comets/

Note: The Dr. Dale Site has an excellent illustration of the Cancer Zodiac connection.

Other Reference Links:

Link Page: http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/

Link Page: http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/images/99H1/1999H1finder.gif

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Q: Are there - other factors - which might influence the orbit of C/1999 H1

(Lee), and bring it much closer to Earth?

A: Yes. Our Sun is now entering into Solar Max. During this time, there are numerous Solar Flares, and Coronal Mass Ejections. Since these events can and do alter the orbit of comets. C/1999 H1 (Lee) could receive an aft (direct) hit by a CME, Solar Flare, or cometary fragment. Such an ephemeral alteration could very easily bringing this comet significantly closer to Earth.

COMET ORBITS: ( Extracted from above the Link-Page )

Note: Please visit the following link to see how Solar Flares and CME's alter a comets orbit.

Go To: http://www.nasm.edu/ceps/ETP/COMETS/comet_orbits.html

*******[NOTE: SEE Jim McCanney's Plasma Discharge Theory of Comets for a discussion of A Sample Calculation For The Circularization Of An Orbit (hit back button to return here)]

Comets travel in highly elliptical orbits around the Sun with an average period (time between returns) of 40,000 years. Some comets, called "short period comets", return near the Sun every few years, and travel no further from the Sun than the orbit of Jupiter. Other comets have periods of several millions of years with orbits that take them far beyond the orbit of Pluto.

Comets, like the planets, travel in regular orbits. However, some comets occasionally speed up or slow down in their orbits. Solar radiation causes ice to evaporate on the sun ward side of the nucleus. Molecules released by the evaporation stream away from the comet and generate a jet-type reaction that pushes the comet away from the Sun and slows it down. * IF THE NUCLEUS IS ROTATING, THE FORCE MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIRECTION, AND CAUSE IT TO SPEED UP. (* Emphasis Added )

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Q: Are there other Supportive Nostradamus Prophecies?

A: Yes. Here are six: (Extracted from Paulus)

C5 - Q32 Prophecy:

Where all good is, everything right with the Sun and the Moon. Is abundant, its ruin approaches: From the sky it advances to vary your fortune, In the same state as the seventh rock.

C2 - Q46 Prophecy:

After great trouble for mankind, a greater one prepared The grand mover the centuries renews: Rain, blood, milk, famine, iron and pestilence, In the sky fire seen, a long spark running.

C6 - Q6 Prophecy:

There will appear towards the North Not far from Cancer - - - - (C/1999 H1 (Lee) Begins Passage thru Cancer June 14, 1999) the bearded star: Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria, The great one of Rome will die, the nigh over.

C2 - Q41 Prophecy:

The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will cause two suns to appear: The big mastiff all night will howl When the pontiff changes countries.

C2 - Q43 Prophecy:

During the bearded stars appearance, Three great princes will be made enemies: Hit from the sky, peace earth trembling, Pau, Tiber overflowing, serpent on the bank placed.

C1 - Q69

The great mountain round of seven stadia, Afterwards peace, - - - - -(The comets hidden object ?) war, famine, flood, It will roll far away sinking great countries, Even antiquities, and great foundation.

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So, there you have it. The Nostradamus scenario does look quite plausible.

Note: The Nostradamus' prophecies say absolutely nothing (So far as I Know) about the actual proximity of "THE COMET" to Earth during its passage. This fact alone warrants that C/1999 H1 Lee must be monitored as a viable "Nostradamus Comet Candidate" until such time as it can be demonstrably proven that this comet "IS NOT" a threat.

Why? Because this is the only CURRENT comet whose orbital elements present a close northern passage over the Earth. And a close northern ecliptic track does seem required of the "Nostradamus' Comet" if it is to be seen in France and the European hemisphere on 8-11-99. Not to mention the fact, that it seems (highly) unlikely that a southern ecliptic comet could eject a cometary fragment, meteor, or asteroid from its tail onto the Mid Atlantic Rise in late September or early October. This, as any discharged element would be prone toward remaining in the Southern Ecliptic orbital plane.

Last Thoughts:

The Nostradamus' prophecies seem to indicate that the comet in question must originate from the southern ecliptic plane, and then take a northwestern track around the Sun during its perihelion, where its orbit will be invisible due to occultation and Solar Glare until early August, 1999. C/1999 H1 Lee, it seems, does just exactly that.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 13, 1999

Answers

Good Analysis Andy. Another interesting angle on this is that Ed Dames, an expert on "Remote Viewing", was on the Art Bell Show a few months ago and when he was asked what impact Y2k would have, he replied that the Y2k impacts would be overshadowed by a "great discontinuity" before the end of the year. He did not know what would happen but the idea was that this unknown even would have a greater impact than Y2k. Is that event the comet you are talking about? Very possibly. Mr. Dames learned remote viewing in the Military and has had some amazing predictions. Some people think he is too negative or is not credible or maybe they do not like to hear bad news. You can understand that mindset.

-- Moe (amazed@donotknow.gom), June 14, 1999.

Not too sure about Dr. Doom Dames, most of his predictions seem to have been discredited - I'll be watching this one closely ... - remember the recent spate of hollywood meteor shower and disaster movies - including Deep Impact... Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 14, 1999.

Another bunch of hoakum.

>the possibility that an Earth threatening comet will be discovered during the Total Solar Eclipse of August 11, 1999.

But C/1999 H1 was discovered in April, about 4 months before that eclipse.

>he above quatrain is now being interpreted by Paulus, and a host of Nostradamus scholars, as meaning that a monstrous comet will pass near the Earth sometime between July and September 1999

C/1999 H1's closest approach to Earth already occurred -- last month, about May 6, when it was about 67 million miles away. By the end of August, it will be more than twice that far away from Earth.

>What will happen when the comets passes by the Earth?

>A: According to various interpretations of the Nostradamus prophecies, the tail of this comet contains a hidden cometary, asteroid, or meteor fragment in its tail. When the comet passes by the Earth in September, the fragment will fall out of the comets' tail and slam into the Mid Atlantic Rise, creating a massive 2000/3000 Ft tidal wave.

Too bad, guys -- you missed this one. The comet's closest approach occurred last month, and nothing happened.

And exactly how is something going to "fall out of" the comet's tail? The comet is in a free-fall orbit around the Sun. _It's already "falling" -- all the time_.

And in September this comet will be over twice as far from the Earth as it was at closest approach.

But facts like these don't sway you, do they, Andy? You'd rather believe in magic?

>Q: When will the comets close approach be noticed?

> [Stuff about the August 11 solar eclipse]

Uh, guys ... C/1999 H1 is already over a month past its closest approach to Eacth. Didn't you notice?

>Thus, when a comet is traveling behind the Sun, it cannot be seen from the Earth (or satellite) until it has fully completed its perihelion (closest approach) to the Sun,

Someone forgot to remind this guy to check his dictionary definition of "perihelion". It's the closest approach to the Sun, all right ... _in actual distance, not angular separation as viewed from Earth_. A comet could be at perihelion when it is in the opposite direction from the Sun as viewed from Earth.

> As you do so, you will note that this comets simulated ephemeris has it in a high solar (northern) passage over the Earth around November 6/7.

I can't see the Astroarts simulation, perhaps because my browser doesn't support full Java (I'm getting ready to upgrade), but I've seen an orbital diagram for C/1999 H1 elsewhere, and it shows that the comet will be much farther away from Earth in November than it was in May.

>1. Why isn't this comets close passage being reported in the media?

Because it's already occurred, and it wasn't especially close (about 65 million miles).

>2. What happens if the comets orbital ephemeris is altered by an unanticipated Solar event?

Because no other comet's orbit has been noticeably altered by any solar event, there is no reason to suspect that this one's will be, either.

>Note: You will also notice, if you go to the following links, that C/1999 H1 Lee comes out of the direction of Cancer. Again, just as prophesied by Nostradamus.

>Link Page: http://www.drdale.com/comets/

>Note: The Dr. Dale Site has an excellent illustration of the Cancer Zodiac connection.

Actually, the Dr. Dale site shows that the comet does NOT come out of the direction of Cancer! The only "connection" is that for a _few_ days the comet's direction, as viewed from Earth, will be in the constellation Cancer.

The direction from which the comet approached the Solar System is a large angular distance from Cancer; it's really approximately the *opposite* direction. There is no justification whatsoever for saying that comet C/1999 H1 "comes out of the direction of Cancer".

>Q: Are there - other factors - which might influence the orbit of C/1999 H1 (Lee), and bring it much closer to Earth?

>A: Yes. Our Sun is now entering into Solar Max. During this time, there are numerous Solar Flares, and Coronal Mass Ejections. Since these events can and do alter the orbit of comets.

The author of this rubbish apparently has never realized that the minute effects of small variations in solar radiation upon comets' orbits cannot possibly amount to the over-100-million-miles that would be necessary to make C/1999 H1 approach the Earth any closer than it already has. Their effects are far, far too small for that.

>C/1999 H1 (Lee) could receive an aft (direct) hit by a CME, Solar Flare,

... neither of which would make as much as a 0.1% difference in distance of the comet from Earth

>or cometary fragment.

Only in his imagination.

>Such an ephemeral alteration could very easily bringing this comet significantly closer to Earth.

No, it couldn't. 0.1% difference is being much too generous.

>Note: Please visit the following link to see how Solar Flares and CME's alter a comets orbit.

>Go To: http://www.nasm.edu/ceps/ETP/COMETS/comet_orbits.html

The highly condensed and simplified explanation, also quoted above in Andy's posting, omits several important factors.

>Molecules released by the evaporation stream away from the comet and generate a jet-type reaction that pushes the comet away from the Sun and slows it down.

This statement assumes that the comet is approaching the Sun. When the comet is past perihelion and moving away from the Sun, as C/1999 H1 will be after July 11, jets on the Sunward side would speed up the comet, not slow it down. In Comet C/1999 H1's case, this would push it farther away from Earth, not closer to it.

>* IF THE NUCLEUS IS ROTATING, THE FORCE MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIRECTION, AND CAUSE IT TO SPEED UP. (* Emphasis Added )

... or to slow down, or to move to the North, or to the South, or to the East, or ... So what? In any case, the difference that such jets make is measured in very small fractions of the comet's overall velocity with respect to the Sun or Earth, and make no appreciable difference in distance over a span of a few months. Even if Comet C/1999 H1 Lee happens to have a strong jet in exactly the right direction to perturb its position toward the Earth, it will still be moving _away_ from the Earth for millions of years.

>This fact alone warrants that C/1999 H1 Lee must be monitored as a viable "Nostradamus Comet Candidate" until such time as it can be demonstrably proven that this comet "IS NOT" a threat.

Magical rubbish.

>this is the only CURRENT comet whose orbital elements present a close northern passage over the Earth.

But its orbital elements do NOT present a close northern passage over the Earth. At the time specified for the supposed "close northern passage", comet C/1999 H1 Leev will be millions of miles _farther_ away from the Earth than it is now.

Another large load of nonsense from Andy.

-- No Spam Please (nos_pam_please@hotmail.com), June 14, 1999.

Heh heh heh,

I DO so enjoy jerking your chain meer cat, you walked right into that one din't you, BWWWAAAahahahahahahahhhaaahhhhaaaaahahah ha ah ha

Hope you spent A LOT of time working out how to attemp a NSDbunk...

Do you live near the coast by any chance :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 14, 1999.

the possibility that an Earth threatening comet will be discovered during the Total Solar Eclipse of August 11, 1999.

But C/1999 H1 was discovered in April, about 4 months before that eclipse. what a bright spark meerkat is, the words bolded totally oblivious to him in his rabid desire to debunk... :)

a great mind at work... NOT :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 14, 1999.

Yerp I KNEW you would pop up like young prairie dog (where is he by the way, must be hibernating), yup, guaranteed, astronomy, fiat banking, executive orders, mud wrestling - a cert :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 14, 1999.

mud wrestling??

-- - (-@-.-), June 14, 1999.

Andy! That was mean and uncalled for. I messed up my pretty dress!

-- Helen (sstaten@fullnet.net), June 14, 1999.

Very interesting. Andy, I don't always agree with a lot of your posts. And some I don't even understand. Although I certainly agree with you abourt censorship. Sometimes one has to tolerate "kids out of school," and goof balls to have an interesting forum. But I do have one objection to your posts. You call No Spam a meerkat and mean you it to be insulting. I think this is unfair to meerkats. They are one of my favorite animals. Surely there is some human being that would be more appropriate than the protective meerkats?

No offense intended to No Spam. I like you both. You are always welcome at my house for a sandwich.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), June 14, 1999.

Yes I see your point Gilda, but the term Meerkat as applied to No Spam is intended to elicit in the peruser of my posts the mental image of "No Spam" popping up out of a hole in the earth (much like Prairie Dog aka PeeDog aka Y2K "Pro" (sic)) in order to interject more of his largely useless blather and bluster. Hmmmmm, what could do the job for No Spam equally as well so as not to malign the demeanour of the majestic and noble Meerkat....

Would Two short Planks do? This is a British term used to describe an oaf, a simpleton like Meerk, uh, sorry Two Short Planks(tm), as in "you're as thick as two short planks Spam!"...

Yes, insulting to wood, granted, but this will suffice in a trice.

P.S.

And Two Short, I think BTW Nostradamus will have the last laugh, move to higher ground me old son before it's too late...

(oh I forgot, you would float...)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 14, 1999.

Wish I'd said this -- but Bertrand Russell beat me to it:

"I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true."

Amen.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), June 14, 1999.

Tom,

What about intuition and premonition? Or those psychics that help the police find some evil person based on touching some item of evidence. Are these things real, or just coincidence? Surely they are not based on any hard facts or evidence, yet they often produce complex visions in deep detail. What is happening within those stories?

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), June 14, 1999.

2000 - 3000 feet high?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 14, 1999.

Intuition and premonition are real, in my experience. Trouble is, we only hear about the hits. Which I don't question. We never hear about the zillions of intuitions and/or premonitions that miss.

Russell was a fanatic materialist, and not at all reluctant to zap people or ideas he disagreed with. With style and wit, of course. I posted that quote to comment on the exchanges on this thread, which are getting tiresome. It can hardly be called a sensible discourse, when it can be summarized by "Yes, it is!" versus "No, it ain't!"

If this comet made its closest approach to earth some weeks ago, we've got nothing to worry about from it for several thousand years. Unless Ming the Merciless reverses its course, which seems unlikely.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), June 14, 1999.

Stumbled across this website forum and this thread. Didn't see anyone referring to this astronomy group link that has more scientific details: http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/cometary/lee.htm Also check the "repository" page (main index) for more treatises on cometary theory.

Anon

-- Anon (astare@anon.gom), June 15, 1999.

posted with regard to the following:

"C6 - Q6 Prophecy:

There will appear towards the North Not far from Cancer - - - - (C/1999 H1 (Lee) Begins Passage thru Cancer June 14, 1999) the bearded star: Susa, Siena, Boeotia, Eretria, The great one of Rome will die, the nigh over.

C2 - Q41 Prophecy: The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will cause two suns to appear: The big mastiff all night will howl When the pontiff changes countries. "

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Pope, Stricken With Fever, Cancels Day's Events

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KRAKOW, Poland (Reuters) - Pope John Paul has fallen ill with a moderate fever and has canceled all events Tuesday on his trip to Poland, the Vatican said.

"It is probably influenza," the chief Vatican spokesman, Joaquin Navarro-Valls, told reporters.

The 79-year-old Pope was very sad to have been forced to cancel a huge outdoor mass in Krakow, Navarro-Valls said.

Over a million people had gathered in fog and light rain to hear the Pope in the southern Polish city where he was archbishop and cardinal before his election as Pope in 1978.

The spokesman said the 79-year-old Pope had developed a fever of a probable viral nature Monday evening, but his temperature had remained under 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit. His doctors had ordered him to rest, Navarro-Valls said.

The spokesman added that no decisions had been made about the rest of the Pope's 13-day trip, which was extended Monday to squeeze in a trip to Poland's holiest shrine and to include a day trip to Armenia Friday.

He said there was "absolutely no connection" between the fever and a fall the Pope suffered Saturday when he cut his head and needed three stitches.

The fever was the latest in a series of health problems and mishaps that have plagued the Pope in the past seven years.

Navarro-Valls said the mass would be said on the Pope's behalf by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the pope's deputy, and the homily the Pope had written would be read by Krakow Cardinal Franciszek Macharski. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

-- aware (and@lurking.com), June 15, 1999.

nostradamus was not referring to a comet in his famous quatrain. "the great king of terror" seen in the sky in the seventh month of 1999 refers to an grand cross alignment of the planets, including a total solar eclipse on august 11, 1999. similar alignments have in the past been associated with anarchy and revolution. in nostradamus' time, august 11 would have indeed been at the end of the seventh month. i enjoy reading nostradamus, but he is devilishly obscure, but let's remember he used astrology, so this interpretation makes the most sense.

-- jocelyne slough (jonslough@tln.net), June 15, 1999.

Good catch aware!

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), June 15, 1999.