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Subject: [neotalk] Fw: Great News on Y2K
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Date: 1999/05/09
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<01be99a2$fd03f800$9eb16bc-@kevincrady.valley-internet.net> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/neotalk/?start=2935
> Great news! Not only is Y2K looking less and less like the End, the
> Christians are making total asses of themselves in the process! Here's to a
> theist-free new millennium!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Amos <ramos3@ix.netcom.com>
> To: Challange Y2K <y2kchallange@egroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 2:15 PM
> Subject: [y2kchallenge] [Fwd: I think when this is over we're going to
> discover tens ofthousandsof victims of Y2K hysteria.....that has been in
> theChristian community.]
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Charles Reuben <buytexas@swbell.net>
> Subject: I think when this is over we're going to discover tens ofthousands
> of
> victims of Y2K hysteria.....that has been in theChristian community.
> To: "cpsr-y2k" <cpsr-y2k@cpsr.org>, "cpsr-y2k" <cpsr-y2k@cpsr.org>
>
> http://www.chrbook.com/Christian/Books/Offshoot/hewittinterview.html
>
>
> CBD: At this juncture, what do you think will be the severity of Y2K?
>
> Steve Hewitt: I think at this point in time there's a problem; it's being
> fixed. It's within the norm of computer problems. I'm not trying to say
> there's not a problem, I'm not saying companies aren't working hard. For
> the average person in America I think the effects will be almost
> nonexistent.
>
> CBD: What misconceptions do you think people still hold about Y2K?
>
> SH: That something big is going to happen January 1, 2000. Eighty-eight
> percent of Y2K will already take place by December 1999. So when they are
> worried about this big Y2K event; they need to realize 88% of it is over
> with. January 1 was a big deal, February 4 was a big deal, and April 1,
> 1999, was a major deal.
>
> CBD: And why was that?
>
> SH: Canada, Japan, the state of New York have all rolled over their fiscal
> years. Right now, their corporate calendars, their financial calendars are
> already working into March 31, 2000, and yet there's no crashes. Michael
> Hyatt on the Focus on the Family show last January stated that when April
> 1, 1999, came, we would see enough of the beginnings of Y2K that no smoking
> mirrors could hide it from the public. They would know how bad it was going
> to be. This is April 6 ? nothing. Michael Radcliffe of Ziff-Davis News
> shared in his column on April 2 that there was even a camera crew from a
> news agency that went into the capitol of New York state waiting all day to
> get a story about the crashes, and nothing happened. . . . Everybody
> agrees that Y2K is happening now. Around 70% of all the companies in
> America and Europe have already suffered Y2K crashes, and yet few people
> noticed it.
>
> CBD: How has Y2K become not just a computer issue but a spiritual one?
>
> SH: That's a very, very good question, and I don't have all the answers.
> It has, for a couple of reasons. One is we're looking for signs of the
> times. And I'm certainly one. I believe in the soon coming of Jesus
> Christ. I don't want to minimize that at all. We are to be watching and
> waiting , and I'm ready for His coming. But we've gone a little overboard
> with that. We sensationalize every time three planets line up, or there's
> going to be a meteor shower, or somebody's name has six letters in it, or
> the sun spots look like you can connect the dots and come up with a six.
> What's happened now is we have a whole bunch of guys, that's all they do
> for a living. Their whole ministry (not just 1 or 2, there's about 20 or
> 30) is to gather support for their ministry. Because they're not prophets
> but they're bible teachers, trying to analyze the signs of the times that
> are in the paper each and every day so that somehow we don't miss the
> coming of Christ. It's caused us to just go a little crazy with this. . .
> .
>
> The Bible says in the last days the very elect will be deceived. That's
> always been a hard Scripture for many people to understand, but after Y2K
> I'm starting to believe it's very possible. I'm amazed at what's happened
> here. The thing is, unfortunately, so many ministries are dependent on
> sensationalizing subjects in order to gain contributions. Now, not
> everybody. I'm not making an accusation, but the fact of the matter is
> look at all the ministries that if you sent a donation, you will get a book
> or something about Y2K. That has tended for us to be looking for something
> sensational because we are becoming like the secular news sources. Instead
> of being about ministry and Bible study, we're about something sensational
> in order to help our profit margin. I think that has got to be considered
> as one of the problems we have had happen as a result of Y2K.
>
> CBD: What do you think is the effect of the message that is being sent out
> on the credibility of the Christian voice?
>
> SH: That's one of the biggest dangers. There are two major things we are
> being damaged by Y2K with. One is the credibility of Christian sources.
> There's a cartoon that was in the Kansas City Star called, "Judges
> Opinion." A little boy turns to his daddy in the first frame and asks, "Is
> Y2K going to cause something horrible?" In the second frame, they're
> standing on a street corner, and the daddy turns to the boy and says "Son,
> it already has." And behind them is a huge crowd of really goofy- looking
> people holding up signs, "Y2K Nuts" "Y2K Survivalists" and in the middle of
> the group someone is holding up a Bible. That's exactly the results of
> what Y2K is bringing on our society. Chicago Tribune, NY Times, Wall Street
> Journal, Wired Magazine, they've all done stories not about America's
> reaction to Y2K but the Christian overreaction to Y2K. This is not
> legitimate persecution that we can be proud of. This is ridicule that we
> deserve. That's pretty sad.
>
> The second aspect that's going to start becoming clear as we go farther
> along that I'm discovering from speaking across the nation on Y2K is we
> have maybe tens of thousands of victims of Y2K now, Christians who went
> overboard. I know Michael Hyatt has said, "If I'm wrong, people can just
> eat the food. If he's wrong, they'll starve and freeze to death." I could
> give him the names and addresses now of people who cannot just eat their
> food. A lady in Eugene, Oregon told me how life is over because of Y2K.
> It's not just because she sold her dream house, she quit her job before
> retirement, she cashed her IRAs at 10% loss, she pulled out of the stock
> market, she now has cows and chickens and 2 years of survivalist food.
> None of those are reasons of why her life is over. . . . The reason Y2K
> has destroyed her life, she now knows, is she'll never be able to witness
> again. She'll always be the crazy Y2K lady.
>
> I'm running across this each and every day. I got an e-mail this week from
> a family thanking me that because last November, I spoke at Calvary Chapel
> in Las Vegas and through a lot of talking and a lot of praying, that was
> the turning point that brought their marriage back because Y2K had
> separated them. I met a couple in Indianapolis . . . His wife of 35 years
> has not talked with him for four days. He told me, " I was no longer her
> spiritual leader." After 35 years she had never told him that. But
> because he wouldn't go out and get $200 of bullets, and he already got $200
> worth of candles. He had been doing the whole thing. But he went out and
> got $70 worth of bullets and all the 380 shells Wal Mart had. They
> followed him out and wrote his license plate number down. That was it. He
> said this is all I'm getting. Because of that they hadn't spoken. Now
> she's seen my presentation since. And has e-mailed me and thanked me for
> bringing her back to her sanity. But this is happening across the nation.
> . . . I think when this is over we're going to discover tens of thousands
> of victims of Y2K hysteria. And unfortunately that has been in the
> Christian community. More so than the secular community Y2K has done more
> damage to the church than this great opportunity for ministry that some
> have claimed.
>
> CBD: Has the tide turned at all? Are leaders of these various churches
> starting to listen to reason?
>
> SH: It has turned, but it is going to continue to divide bigger and better.
> Right now in Texas and San Jose they are getting ready to hold a huge Y2K
> rally. They have over 200 booths. That's what drives this.
>
> CBD: Economics?
>
> SH: There's a market. You're having a rally of 200 booths of people
> selling Y2K paraphernalia and junk. The market is still driving it. But
> the surveys show that in January 31% of Americans overly worried about
> Y2K. It's dropped to 20%. The survivalists food sales have peaked and
> begun to slow down. So has the sale of gold. So the very fact that the
> overreaction we have to worry about is going to take care of itself. I
> think by November this is just going to be a big joke. Except for the
> people who aren't laughing because they're the victims.
>
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-- Anonymous, June 06, 1999

Answers

More info on Chuck Reuben. This guy is a problem and has been around along time. I am trying to find his old stuff from CSY2K. Him and Paul Milne did battle early last year as I seem to remember but can't find the the info. He was posting under a differant name (of course). I just think it is a good idea to know who we are dealling with. He avoids CSY2K now but find us a good target. Wierd.

 
 

gearsXOUT@idir.net wrote:
> Well, the first two responses you had there appeared to be
from Mr.
> Charles Reuben of Dallas real estate fame mentioned in
Yourdon's
> article. For some odd reason, Mr. Reuben does not post
here. From what
> I've read of Mr. Reuben's stuff, he seems to be in some
holy war with
> North, Yourdon, Hamasaki and others. He's also big on
reporting
> 'dissenters' to the FBI. I'm sure the Dallas office loves
him. You'll
> know you are a dissenter when you get hate mail from Mr.
Reuben. Makes
> SWCS sound like a priest.

Here is CPR's response in his y2k discussion forum at
http://www.smu.edu/cgi-bin/Nova/get/gn.html

=========================[forwarded
message]============================= From:
CPR <buytexas@swbell.net>

No Secret. I sell property NOT
FEAR like your friends.

Forum: Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum
Re: Is CPR a real estate agent (y2k dave)
Date: Dec 29, 12:13
From: CPR <buytexas@swbell.net>

My background has NEVER BEEN any "big secret". In fact,
my ID has been on this forum for months. Anyone on the
major list serves from the US or the U.K. knows who I am
and has for two years. I removed my business address and
numbers because I TAKE NO Y2k "related business"
whatsoever. I AM NOT>>>"a Vested interest" trying to make a
"buck" off Y2k. As such, you must address my views not my
background unlike North and Yourdon with their assorted
WARES FOR SALE.

IN SHORT..... MR. Y2K DAVE.... I CAN'T BE BOUGHT. That
makes ME very dangerous to Quick Buck BS Artists and
Scam Y2k Dealers with Gold Coins or inflated Stored food
plans.

The BOTTOM LINE HERE IS: WHO ARE YOU??? With your
copies of articles from c.s.y2k or other places. Is your
name Dave Forbes who can be found on North's assorted
forums under Y2k DAVE??

Gary and I even had dinner once in Plano with other Y2k
activists. He knows as does Yourdon exactly what I do and
BOTH ALSO know my TEN YEARS in ELECTRONICS, my
Technical credentials and my Academic credentials. Its easy
enough to find, they sit in the SAME BOOK published by the
SIM that has the "Contributors backgrounds" of one Gary
North AND Edward Yourdon along with 50 other authors.

Gary even refers to me as "A real estate salesman in Texas".
I like to think I'm his VERY
FAVORITE.

HOWEVER, unlike HIM and his Protege' Mr. Ed. of the soon to
be 2nd. Ed (ition):

1. I do not take any money for ANYTHING connected with Y2k.

2. I sell no books, tapes, teeshirts, mugs, generators,
screen savers or ANYTHING connected
with Y2k.

3. I sell no software, bios fixes, or add on boards for Y2k
"PC fixes" at INFLATED PRICES
from websites.

5. I sell no "FOOD PLANS" and take NO COMMISIONS for
anything like that connected with
Y2k.

6. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will I knowingly do business
with anyone referred to me because of my Y2k VOLUNTEER
WORK ON OR OFF LINE. AFTER the "crisis" is over, I will
review that business policy.

CPR
=====================[end of forwarded
message]==========================

-- Anonymous, June 06, 1999

Chuck,

The thread with CPR's rants is on this thread...

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000q7k

-- Anonymous, June 09, 1999

Here's a CPR rant that mentions both me and Diane:

http://206.28.81.29/HyperNews/get/gn/1009/1.html

[snip]

Date: Mar 21, 14:51

From: CPR

Poor Biffy. We only have some content and analysis. NO "Cheerleaders" stroking Poor Biffy.

EY is FULL OF HIMSELF. Do the math: one year: 200 posts a day avg. (but it is increasing).

It should be saved. Go back and see how many times a day "kevinmixedup" or "diane" or "a@a.a" post. They have 30-50 hard core just like Bro. Garay of Gloom.

They are hitting 100 new items with multiple posts. When you check its all: 'I agree", "she is a troll', "Disinformation' and short snips from the Memes like a Cheering section.

He should go check out chat posts on AOHell especially on the Mating/sex/meeting/or even computer issues.

MR. "10 year Depression in my opinion" needs to get a life or keep taking his Prozac and Viagra.

YourdoneFOR is a Little Leaguer BSing the Memes. SUZE Ormand bopped out 8 MILLION copies of one book of her platitudes. THAT is 40 Times YourdoneIV's sales. Chicken Soup must be right up there for each of his things.

The SISSY2k: C.S.Y2k is racking up 200-400 posts a day as is De Jager's list serve which only reships maybe 1/3.

His 70,000 posts mean nothing. C.S.Y2k claimed some 35,000 and someone found out Milne alone had almost 6,000. Gary's another joker with the stats. Now he has 4,000 "documents" link he brags.

One year X ten: day minus Sunday and a scattered few days when he was off in the fields with his mules: 300 DAYS X 10 /day: 3,000. He has been open for two years.

He is full of shit as usual. He even looked at the comments placed on the Swamp Pit without credit to CPR. He can't put GNIBFI together with that post without a hot link.

Interesting that the Memes will now see the thing costs "ANY OF US" nothing, as if he is promoting "community".

Not to worry. One by one, all his failed predictions will show the memes what "E.YourDone.After.YOU.Pay.me.4.the.book.com" is made of.

Lets see: he claimed "scattered self-reports for Airline reservations" and they were 'covering up errors".

Airlines only claim a modest 139,000 flights were booked in Feb. alone but that it set a record.

AND, we were told by all: Jo Anne coming.

So far it looks like the Jo Anne Effect will need new batteries in the dildo if its going to COME at all.

YOURDONEFOR IS BULL SHIT. [snip]

-- Anonymous, June 13, 1999