What do you do with a dwgi or a dgi in dec., when they show up at your door, AFTER you have tried for a year to get them to prep for y2k?

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), June 04, 1999

Answers

Tell them you gave all your suppiles away because they convinced you it was all a hoax?

Play back their recorded laughter? (You still have time to get this)

Let them in and share your supplies as long as they agree to be your slave the rest of their life?

In other words --- D***** if I know.

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), June 04, 1999.

target practice? Unless they are relatives. Or because?

-- J (jart5@bellsouth.net), June 04, 1999.

We're going to take their children in and kick their asses all the way to the road. ( I wish). We've made contingency plans for stupid relatives. And the "slave for life" comment isn't too far from the truth. If you can't contribute to the food chain, get the heck out of it!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), June 04, 1999.

There won't be any DGI's or DWGI'S in December. So do not worry.

-- Doc Mortar (xit007@email.com), June 04, 1999.

Doc, I agree.

And if there are still people unwilling to read the writing on the wall, unfortunate as it is, they are responsible for their own fate.

Though I may go hungry sharing food I've decided that, with the exception of my diabetic wife, no one will take the food from my son's mouth.

Mike =================================================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), June 04, 1999.

The real question is, what will you do will the WTGIS people(WTGIS = Wish They Got It Sooner!)who you warned aboutt y2k, and didn't prepare, until it was too late, and who come to you in Jan 2000? I'd say give them a can of beans and a bottle of water, and tell them to go to the nearest gov. "relief camp".

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), June 04, 1999.

AMEN ! ! ! ! !

I *WISH* that I could be more charitable about this whole thing, but after being laughed at, ridiculed, and branded a "nutcase" for seeing to my family's needs, well, I guess it's just TOO goddam BAD for those pollys. (I can keep myself from laughing at THEM as they walk away, though... maybe)

Darwinian selection in action, if you ask me...

-- Dennis (djolson@pressenter.com), June 04, 1999.

Anyone of whom I am aware, that refused to prepare, I will categorically not help under any circumstances. I will feed their kids but I won't feed them, period.

Anyone else who is of sound body will have to work for their fare. Period. No worky, no eaty.

And if society has broken down, and we are left to our own devices for self defense, I will not hesitate to 'neutralize' anyone who takes one step on my property, especially at night. No questions asked. No second guessing. No remorse. Shoot 'em. Let 'em bleed out, bury them in the morning.

Now, for the namby-pamby weak at heart, the 'operative' phrase was 'take one step on my property'. I have a six foot high barbed wire fence around my ten acres. You can NOT stumble in here accidentally. If you have scaled my fence or cut the wire, then it can only be assumed that your behavior is hostile.

I am absolutely, unequivocably NO threat to ANY man woman or child anywhere. I am on MY OWN property, minding MY own business. My property is MY property and no one else's property. No one else has any right whatsoever to have anything at all to do with my property unless it is by my consent.

Now, anyone who wants to invade will somehow manage to rationalize the invasion into something that WE have done to harm them. "They won't give us their food, so we will attack them".

It would be little different than living on the frontier. I would be responsible for the defense of my family in a hostile environment.

I do not take that responsibility lightly.

I do not relish the thought of having to engage in such self defense. But, I can tell you this right now..... I have made up my mind, If I am forced to defend myself, anyone who comes will find the most bloodcurdlingly ruthless sonofabitch that they ever clapped eyes upon.

If they force my hand, by coming on my property, they are going to pay the price for making me do it.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), June 04, 1999.

Oh, and one more thing. If any one of my family is harmed by an intruder in the event that society breaks down, I will hunt down every mother's son of them.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), June 04, 1999.

Well said Paul....as usual. This was the very reason we purchased specific hats for our neighbors (4 of them in a 20 mile radius). When the time comes, we shall give those to them (maybe, HA) and instruct them to wear them if they approach our property on foot from a distance. That alone should make them think twice about attempting to take advantage of MY children's food!

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), June 04, 1999.

What do you do with a DWGI in Dec.....

Wait til January then:

Apologise for trying to panic them.

Apologise for telling them "you will have blood on your hands"

Apologise for alienating them because of the millenium cultists.

Apologise for wasting two years of your life worring, and trying to involve them in the same.

Apologise for distracting the local businesses by "demanding verification" that they were "y2k compliant" not just 'ready'

Apologise for causing the death of thousands of trees to print nonsense like WRP, RR, timebomb2000, etc.

Apologise for encouraging the waste of taxpayer dollars on "special commitee's" for y2k.

Apologise for being a butthead, but calling everyone else one.

-- I'm sorry (Iusedtob@GI.here), June 04, 1999.

Possibly the scariest stuff I have seen here to date, although I guess those "shoot you for a bottle of Evian" feelings are there all along. True militia mentality from so many. GI's got it all right, they GOT FEAR. And venom and rage.

Y2K preps - Prepare to be on hold for a couple of hours when your Visa invoice is screwed up, other than that throw out all those old receipts tablets with 19__ written on them. Flame away you embody such a douche bag know it all mentality.

-- Pollyester (PollyEster@dacron.net), June 04, 1999.

That would be Scott, pollyester..I notice several doombrood changing their real names to screen names. I guess they hope people will forget how they acted all through 99...

-- polly unice (scott@sucks.lehman), June 04, 1999.

Reading this thread gave me the hee-bee-gee-bees. You people are absolutely convinced that you are right. There is no grey in your predictions. People who sound like they are looking forward to killing another human being. I fear for us if Y2K does not turn out like they hope. Glad I found this place, so I can warn others away. Kooks!

-- newbie (outta@here.now), June 04, 1999.

"Glad I found this place, so I can warn others away. Kooks!"

So... the new definition of a "kook" is someone who intends to provide for & protect his family in a crisis?

-- well that's (news@to.me), June 04, 1999.

I fear for YOU ALL if it DOES....

And not from an "I'll blow your head off" point of view, either.

If bad things DID happen, what would YOU PEOPLE DO for food, water, and shelter? Have any of you EVER given that the SLIGHTEST thought?

Read this essay, then give some REAL consideration to what was said in it.

If this whole thing is "nothing", I for one will go back to work and forget about it. None of the insults of the pollys will mean a THING to me, and I'll not be seeking some kind of revenge.

Close the door, and move on. What about YOU, if the situation is reversed? Are you (and your loved ones) ready to live in a shelter for weeks, and eat/drink from the back of "emergency services" trucks?

... Still using my real name ...

-- Dennis (djolson@pressenter.com), June 04, 1999.

"So... the new definition of a "kook" is someone who intends to provide for & protect his family in a crisis? "

It's possible to be a kook and still provide for and protect one's family. Just look at Paul Milne.

And Milne, living by the credo "shoot first and ask questions later" huh? That attitude will one day get you shot first.

-- DWGI (dwgi@this.place), June 04, 1999.

To DWGI

Apparently you are so freakin' ignorant you did not read my post at all, did you moron?

I said that if YOU come on MY property over a SIX FOOT BARBED WIRE FENCE, I will consider that an assault.

You have a problem with that, crap-for-brains? I have AMPLY marked out my property and warned those who do not belong to stay out. Get it yet, crap-for-brains?

MY property. Inside MY fence. Get it yet crap-for-brains?

Did you read the part about 'no threat to anyone else at all', crap- for-brains? No you did not.

Did you read the part about "in the event that society falls apart'? No you did not. Because you have crap for brains.

No one at all, for any reason at all, has to fear harm from us. We are on our own property, MINDING OUR OWN BUSINESS. Get it yet, crap- for-brains?

ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, HARMING NO ONE, MINDING OUR OWN BUINESS.

ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, HARMING NO ONE, MINDING OUR OWN BUINESS.

ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, HARMING NO ONE, MINDING OUR OWN BUINESS.

Get it yet, crap-for-brains?

So all you Pollyanna pukes can go soak your lame heads. You can try and distort the words of a man who has said that he will not come off his own property to harm others because he has prepared. He has no need to come off his own property to cause others harm. He is content to mind his own buisness.

But when the day comes, it will be the pollyannas who go about tresppasing on the property of others and causing harm to others. A prepared man has NO NEED to do that, That is WHY he prepared. So that he will not have to harm others or to be a burden to others or the state.

From whom do you expect harm to come? A man who has prepared for his family and is content to remain on his own property minding his own buisness or the man who refused to prepare and now is a burden to others and must scavenge in order to survive? From whom is there the most to fear?

It is common sense. Something that crap-for-brains like DWGI can not fathom. They have their heads up their asses. They object when the prepared ones tell them not to come on their property after they have REFUSED to prepare. They object that the man, minding his own buisness says he will blow your head off if you assault him. They object that that man is mean. Damn right I am mean. Mean as a damn snake to all those flaming assholes who refused to prepare and think that they will have a right to help themselves to what I have sacrificed over. They will be the first ones who say that they have a right to live and therefore MY property should be distributed to them because they did not prepare.

If you have a right to live, then you had a comensurate responsibility to prepare.

Come and get it, DWGI. Come and get it. I hope that you are the first one through the wire.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), June 04, 1999.

Paul,

Here is a nice little sign for your yard.

"Trespasser's will be shot, survivors will be shot again".

Happy trails

-- y2k dave (xsdaa111@hotamil.com), June 04, 1999.

I read all of these posts, and what really amazes me is the people who think that Paul would be in the wrong for defending his family. Understand now, he is talking about his worst case scenario, everything is broken down. He has secured his home and his family against looting to the best of his ability. (A six foot fence around acreage is NOT cheap).

Under those circumstances, anyone entering his property has done exactly what he said. They have either scaled a six foot fence, or they have deliberately cut wire. Perhaps one of you would like to give a good reason for anyone with decent intentions doing that?

What worries me more than Paul defending his property and family, is the fact that so many of you think its perfectly okay for someone to scale or vandalize someone else's fence. I get the impression that some of you think people that prepare will OWE those who did not food and shelter. I do not believe I have seen the first person who proclaims that Y2K will be a non-event, say that if it IS an event, they will deserve to just sit and watch their family starve. (provided of course that our government does not end up taking care of them.) This leads me to believe that IF a disaster happens, they will feel justified in begging or stealing what someone else has stored. And that is truly terrifying.

-- Dian (bdp@accessunited.com), June 04, 1999.

Generalizing about a large and varied population from a sample of 2 often leads to error.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), June 04, 1999.

Tom, True. So can underestimation.

-- Dian (bdp@accessunited.com), June 04, 1999.

Ask a civil question and get called a douche bag. I'm impressed. As for the screen name, I posted a thread when I did it so some idiot wouldn't come up with the comment made above. Also, for the record, I don't think y2k will be as bad as Paul thinks, but I fully agree with his post above. If paul is correct, he will be in much better shape than I will be. On the other hand, if it turns out to be a 7 or 8, I will be fine and you denial butt heads will be toast wether you live near a 7-11 or NOT. I could give a shit less how you gamble with you and your loved ones lives. This is America,,, and you are free to do as you see best. There are to many facts, failures, ect. out there to say nothing will happen. If we loose power in the northern US for only 12hours on a 15 degree day, and have no way to heat our homes, the pipes freeze and damage is done. I want one polly to tell me it isn't worth $200 for a kero heater to save a $2,000 repair job. You suffer from delusion if you get that one!

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), June 04, 1999.

'I said that if YOU come on MY property over a SIX FOOT BARBED WIRE FENCE, I will consider that an assault.'

Paul has a way with words...which puts many off. But basically I'm looking at my back yard which is due to have a new fence put up next week for the very same reasons Paul states above: so I can know whether someone in my back yard has dubious intent or just happened to wander across my little suburban plot called home.

Just like the person who posted a while back about the folks who sat on their front porch with a shotgun after the hurricane in Florida...no one died and no one got robbed... and the police had no problem with someone protecting their own property. I would propose that we are more likely to see a cooperative spirit from the authorities along these lines rather than the disarm everyone senario.

Certainly I do not think the disarmament theory will fly here in Texas.

-- Shelia (Shelia@active-stream.com), June 04, 1999.

Errrrr. DON'T

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), June 04, 1999.

Errrrr...... DON'T get that one!

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), June 04, 1999.

In dec:

(1) Suggest that there is STILL some time left to prepare as best they can.

(2) Take them fishing. Show them how to make lures. You might even offer to trade (like for like) SMALL amounts of other food for fresh fish, if they have an excess.

(3) Show them how to make jerky. Many citizens may not want to buy fresh meat because of expected power outages....so it MIGHT still be available in december.

(4) Explain the the people who used to live here (and who prepared) have moved to a bunker in the wilderness...but, as the new neighbors, you are glad to meet them.

(5) Ask if they've stored any food that you could borrow!

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), June 04, 1999.

Yes, Dian,

The fence is very very costly, for me, anyway. Over three thousand dollars, not counting my labor. Just the materials.

The point of the fence is to let anyone know that this is MY property and you are NOT welcome without my permission.

I stated repeatedly that this fence is to keep marauders out in the event of a collapse. I know full well that it will not. But that is OK. I will have done EVERYTHING possible to AVOID having to have a physical confrontation with anyone else. I have taken steps to try to keep those who have no right to be here, out.

The whole point was that these individuals will be breaking and entering my property in the event of a collpase of society.

They will know full well after penetrating a six foot barbed wire fence that they do not belong and that they have engaged in a criminal act.

I will not assume that they intend no harm. I can only assume that a person who is willing to go through a six foot barbed wire fence is intent upon something other than friendly pursuits. I will not risk the life of a family member over someone engaged in criminal tresspass.

I will have NO remorse whatsoever about plugging each and every one of them that is that stupid. No more remorse than a man in his home on the frontier had when he was invaded by indians or other various and sundry robbers.

I have spent well over three thousand dollars for the EXPRESS purpose of NOT having to be in a confrontation, to keep my children safe, minding my own business, on my own property, in peace.

Anyone who has read this thread and still asserts that I am looking for trouble or am bloodthirsty or am looking for trouble is not only an idiot but is beyond rationality at all.

No man spends thousands of dollars to build a barrier in oreder to AVOID trouble with anyone else is someone who is 'just looking for trouble'.

If that were so, I would put out signs saying 'free food' and shoot anyone I see, now, wouldn't I? Or I would leave my property and go take potshots at passers by, now, wouldn't I?

We will always have morons in here who do not like the fact that some folks will defend themselves on their own property in the event that they are attacked. To a one, they will all be people who have not taken any substantial steps to prepare and resent the fact that they will be without and the ones that prepared will be able to eat just fine. They think that they will be 'owed' something.

Like I said, Let 'em come. I'll be waiting. I won't like it, but I won't hesitate for a second to blow their heads off if they approach in any manner other than that of a friendly supplicant.

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), June 04, 1999.

I have told no one about what I've stocked. I will act as confounded as the next person, and feed my family by candlelight. Dian is right on the money. But that is not to say I wish for the death of any man. Even the ones who have knocked themselves out ridiculing others. You don't have to GI. Just prepare. Pretend there is a storm coming if that is what you need to do. You won't be far wrong.

-- Gia (Laureltree7@hotmail.com), June 05, 1999.