Perhaps the most obscene thing a doomer has ever said - comparing the Jews of Germany with American Y2K GIs...

< a href=http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000thv>Yep, just like those few dumb Jews that gave up so much to leave Germany after Hitler took over. All because they thought Hitler might do something "terrible" to them. Can you believe it? What nutcases!! Must be another example of doomer "memes" or something....

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 01, 1999.

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), June 02, 1999

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What was REALLY obscene was all the nice things that Hitler did to the smart Jews who stuck around.

-- . (.@...), June 02, 1999.

Just shut up y2kpro! Why can't you contribute something useful for once instead of mocking others?? What King meant was that the jews who left saw the handwriting on the wall, as we "doomers" do when we prepare for the coming collapse. With Klintoon revealed as nothing but a COMMUNIST, A LIAR, A MURDERER, A RAPIST, A TRAITOR AND A WAR CRIMINAL, and the people asleep again(as they were in the 30's by the way!!) what's comming is obvious to those of us WITH A WORKING BRAIN! Of course y2kpro, you don't fit into THAT catagory... What's YOUR take on the Cox Report?? What do you think of the treason and betrayal of our country??? Will you respond to this with a real answer or just mock me again? CAn you contribute something importaint or not... By the way, remember the Waco massacre? Or Ruby Ridge? "First they came for the jews, but I wasn't a jew..."

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), June 02, 1999.

That's not even original. I can recall discussions several months ago about the fact that no one listened to the doomers when they said the sky was falling.

History tells us that some folks in 1929 believed that the stock market would crash, & so pulled their money out. Likewise, some Germans (Jews & non) read the times correctly & fled Germany well before the Nazi bloodbaths. That's what this is about -- reading the times & taking action while those around you are blindling galloping towards the abyss. (How is that obscene...?)

-- not (a@big.problem), June 02, 1999.

Thank you Not, thats what I was trying to say! Amen!

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), June 02, 1999.

To compare the murderous, anti-Semitic boiling cauldron of hate that was Hitler's Germany, to the current situation where Y2K MIGHT negatively affect our lives IS obscene and an insult. What is wrong with you people?

-- Freda Bok (freda@hates.spam), June 02, 1999.

Y2K Pro is "just folloving ze ordahs, ja." Der Fuhrer cpr at Der Boonkah has been exhorting his followers to fresh incursions every day, per the campaign outline. Today's exhortation:

Wednesday, 02-Jun-1999 01:44:03

* Remember: sustained, confrontive style, using short, "self-contained" posts is a major component of our campaign. Put your Net access to good use, today and every day!

Found at

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-- Boonkah Watcher (Blitzen@achtung.com), June 02, 1999.

Boonkah Watcher is full of it!

That "outline" was put there by a doomer. Was it you Boonkah Watcher?

To believe that the debunkers are part of any conspiracy or organized group is hysterical. You're more paranoid than we thought.

-- one o' those scary trolls (.@...), June 02, 1999.

I am Jewish and I myself have used this argument (as above) "the Jews who left saw the handwriting on the wall". Most Jews said it could never happen and stayed.

Most were too comfortable with their lifestyle to contemplate that things may change.

Thank G-d, my grandparents had the forsight to leave, even though they left much wealth in Germany.

-- Mike (Michael@Walfish.com), June 02, 1999.

Freda,

The comparison was not between Germany and the Y2K situation. The comparison was between people who take action when they see bad things coming down the pike and those who do nothing until it's too late. There is nothing obscene about this. Quit being so sensitive.

-- David Palm (djpalm64@yahoo.com), June 02, 1999.

It is obfuscene to NOT learn from history.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), June 02, 1999.

Freda,

As should be clear to all, whether or not something is obscene or insulting (and to who) is a moral value judgement. The comparison of things is not subject to value judgment, only the conclusions drawn from such comparison. Perhaps you did not say what you meant, but we can only respond to what you say.

While circumstances were certainly vile for Jews in pre-war Germany, they didn't begin to compare for outright evil to those which marked the later days of the Reich in which wholesale extermination was the order of the day.

I have not perceived anyone to be saying that the current conditions (pre-Y2K) are comparable to the pre-war conditions in Germany in terms quality of life for anyone. What I have seen is a number of conclusions that, like the Jews who were divided into a small number who saw the handwriting on the wall and believed that things would get much worse and a much larger group who (for whatever reasons) concluded that it was appropriate to remain within Germany, the present day population is divided into a small number of people who believe that things will get much worse as a result of Y2K and a much larger group (again, for whatever reasons) who conclude that they will not.

I do not think that there is anything wrong with, "you people", but I do think that you have misunderstood the camparisons and conclusions being presented.

What does strike me as truly obscene is that this character, "Y2KPro", characterizes his garbage as, "A Mission From God". I am somewhat consoled however, by his declaration that he is in Waco, Texas. Having spent some fair amount of time in that city, I realize that he cannot have survived in real life there, for even as long as he has appeared on this forum, while displaying the same characteristics that he does in cyberspace. That makes him a "Closet Wacko From Waco" in my book and one not even fit to clean David Koresh's shoes at that.

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), June 02, 1999.

Boonkah Watcher is right --

http://www.smu.edu/cgi-bin/Nova/get/gn/1115/1/1.html

SSSHHHHHH

Forum: Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot Forum

Date: Apr 08, 03:14

From: Cherri

Just between you and I and the lamp post (C.S. Lewis) we are planning on taking over and defusing the timeBomb.

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), June 02, 1999.

Freda- Do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), June 02, 1999.

Y2K Pro is from Waco???

That's an hour or so from here...

I'll be able to report to the forum the impact of Y2K on that town........................

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 02, 1999.

" That makes him a "Closet Wacko From Waco" in my book and one not even fit to clean David Koresh's shoes at that."

Your ugliness my friend is astonishing, even for a GI. And an apologist for the child killer who called himself David Koresh, sheesh, what's left? How about mailing me one of your David Duke campaign buttons?

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), June 02, 1999.

Y2Kazoo: how 'bout I bring a copy of the bill of rights? Meecha at the exotic zoo? Gimme one hour.......

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 02, 1999.

Ya know Lisa, that's what ol' David Duke always says - funny that dontcha think...

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), June 02, 1999.

boonkah watcher:

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de-lurk..

Once again, I see the "GI"'s can't freakin' read! That post from CPR is a C&P (thats copy and paste for you kiddies) of an extremist website on promoting religious agendas. It is intended as a mockery for the idiot from oregon who can't even figure out how to shut down cookies on his 'puter...he thinks someone is trying to "hack" him! What a Galoot! A HAH HAH HAH HAH ha ha ha

So, before you go spreading (yet again) more bad information (i.e. dis-information) learn how to read and comprehend, K?

ta-ta

shimmer...

-- Mutha Nachu (---@redhummingbirdfeeder.com), June 02, 1999. "

I'm beginning to think the pollys have a point. There are just to many idiots spouting off without thinking lately.

how does it help our cause if you mis-represent everybody you don't agree with?

-- 11111 (111@111.111), June 02, 1999.

We know the history of the holacuast in Germany and many Jews lost their lives, and I and most people in this country lost relatives who who fought to end the genocide. What puzzles me, Freda, is why we don't hear more about the 20 Million Christians murdered by Stalin. I read an article today describing Jews in America having a fear of right wing christians. I just want to say that that is a load of crap. Because first of all, Hitler and Stalin were Occultist, not christian or jew. THEY were the extremes of both right and left socialist ideologies. Please stop the divisive rhetoric.

-- KoFE (your@town.USA), June 02, 1999.

Y2kpro writes: Perhaps the most obscene thing a doomer has ever said - comparing the Jews of Germany with American Y2K GIs...

What a hateful post you have started Y2k. That's a very hateful and disrespectful thing to say to someone. Not only is it hateful, it is very distorted...why would you do something like that?

I've never participated in any of these type of posts and normally skip them as they have no value...but I do like to read posts that have different opinions, and might give me insight to other peoples' assesment of how Y2k is going to turn out. From now on, I'll not give you the benefit of the doubt, nor will I open any that are authored by you.

Cary

-- Cary Mc from Tx (Caretha@compuserve.com), June 02, 1999.

Okay, if you don't like the Jewish comparison, Y2K Pro, how about this one?

THIS is part of why government and business leaders cannot necessarily be trusted re Y2K

greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

The purpose of this post is solely to illustrate the degree to which government and business spin was applied to a matter of national urgency and importance. Although there are many parallels between the condition of the stock market in pre-October 1929 and its current condition, please concentrate on the parallels between a 1930 and a 1999 spin of a significant event. (If you wish to comment on the stock market aspects, please feel free to cut and paste to a new thread.)

The following excerpt is from "distingished economic historian," Broadus Mitchell's Depression Decade: From New Era through New Deal, 1929-1941 (New York: Rinehart & Co., Inc., 1947), pp. 31-32, Quoted in David A. Shannon, The Great Depression (Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1960).

Public statements at the new year on the business outlook for 1930 damaged more reputations of forecasters than they bolstered. In the midst of the stock market debacle two months earlier, prominent persons whose word was apt to be taken--bankers, industrialists, economists, government officials--had declared their confidence in stocks, not to mention underlying business soundness. At the beginning of the year more perspective might be looked for. The optimism excpressed, however, was hardly representative, for most of those with serious misgivings about the future did not offer their opinions or ***find them published***. [Emphasis supplied.] Secretary of the Treasury Andrew W. Mellon committed himself blithely: "I see nothing. . . in the present situation that is either menacing or warrants pessimism. . . . I have every confidence that there will be a revival of activity in the spring and that during the coming year the country will make steady progress."

The White House repored the President as considering "that busiuness could look forward to the coming year with greater assurance." Willis H. Booth, president of the Merchant's Association of New York, saw "no fundamental reason" why business should not find itself again on the upgrade early in 1930.

The Guaranty Trust Company of New York expressed qualified hope: "Although there is no failure to appreciate the importance of the collapse of stock prices as an influence on general business or to ignore the historical fact that such a collapse has almost invariably been followed by a major business recession, emphasis has. . . been placed on certain fundamental differences between the conditions that exist at present and those that have usually been witnessed at similar times in the past."

Secretary of Commerce Robert P. Lamont contented himself with listing the gains that the year 1929 as a whole had registered over 1928 and with predicting prosperioty and progress "for the long run." He did not say how long the run was to be.

[Former Youngstown, Ohio, Mayor] Joseph L. Heffernan, "The Hungry City: A Mayor's Experience with Unemployment," The Atlantic Monthly, CXLIX (May, 1932), pp. 538-540. Quoted in David A. Shannon, The Great Depression (Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1960).

In December 1929. . . I attended a conference on unemployment. . . . Speaker after speaker told what his community would do to end the depression and how quickly it would be done. The unemployed were to be set marching gayly back to work without an instant's delay, and the two-car garage was to be made ready for further enlargement. . . .

[In April 1930]. . . I went to Germany. . . saw that the German people were in a bad way. On returning home , I made a public statement that Germany was on the verge of economic collapse, and predicted that the depression would take five years to run its course. Thereupon I asked for a bond issue of $1m for unemployment relief. Many leading business men went out of their way to show their disapproval. One of them voiced the opinoin of the majority when he said to me, "You make a bad mistake in talking about the unemployed. DON'T emphasize hard times and everything will be all right." An influential newspaper chastised me for 'borrowing trouble'; the depression would be over, the editor maintained, before relief would be needed.

Discussion dragged on for several months, and the gravity of the situation was so deliberately misrepresented by the entire business community that when the bond issue finally came to a ballot, in November 1930, it was voted down.

Thus we passed into the early days of 1931--fourteen months after the first collapse--with no relief in sight except that which was provided by the orthodox charities. Not a single move had been made looking toward action by a united community. . . .

I have cited these instances from my experience as mayor of an industrial city because they illustrate perfectly the state of mind which has been America's greatest handicap in dealing with the depression. Everyone will remember the assurances that were freely given out in November and December, 1929. by the highest authorities in government and business. The country, we were told, was 'fundamentally sound.' Nevertheless, general unemployment continued to increase through the winter. Then in the spring of 1939 it was predicted that we might expect an upward turn any minute. Yet the summer slid past with hope unfulfilled. Winter came again, and conditions had grown steadily worse; still nothing was done, because we were reluctant to face the truth. Our leaders, having made a bad guess in the beginning, have been unwilling to admit their error. With the foolish consistency which is the hobgoblin of little minds, they have persistently rejected reality and allowed our people to suffer by pretending that all would be well on the morrow.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), May 28, 1999

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), June 02, 1999.

You people just play right into the Y2K Probe's hands. If you ignore his/her obviously inflammatory posts, he/she will eventually get bored with his/her goading, which by the way seems to work VERY effectively on you all, and find somewhere else to lurk.

He/she does not bother me in the least... he/she is a known quantity, except for gender...; )

lickin' my probe,

The Dog

-- Dog (cmpennell@juno.com), June 02, 1999.

Cary Mc from Tx:

Please learn to read. That quote is not from Y2KPro; pro is quoting King of Spain one of your playmates on this Forum of Fear; you want to get mad at someone? try King. He's the idiot mouthing off. pro is just pointing out his nonsense to the whole place.

-- Sammy the Squid (swim@swim.swim), June 02, 1999.

Squid Man,

The point is, Y2K Probe posted this imflammatory gibe to stir the pot. K of S was out of line also...

If you can't handle a single polly posting, what will a full-blown, worst case scenario disaster do to you?????

barkin' at the neighbor,

The Dog

-- Dog (cmpennell@juno.com), June 02, 1999.

Sammy the Squid,

You blathered: Please learn to read. That quote is not from Y2KPro; pro is quoting King of Spain one of your playmates on this Forum of Fear; you want to get mad at someone? try King. He's the idiot mouthing off. pro is just pointing out his nonsense to the whole place.

No, you're the idiot mouthing off. Get it straight. Y2k Pro did not quote K of S, he was referring to a post by him....go look it up. I quoted Y2k Pro not K of S. See the following message if you'd like to read what K of S said. http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a- fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000thv

-- Cary Mc from Tx (Caretha@compuserve.com), June 02, 1999.