Milne: Anti-Taxform filer files forms to take OUR money : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

I will be glad to answer you Davis. Just to show you how egregiously perverted the federal tax structure is, I will tell you EXACTLY what I do.

My 'income' (which is not income at all) is below the threshold for paying ANY Federal tax, at all, because of the number of my dependents. On TOP of that, there is an earned income credit of $3500 dollars that I apply for, and RECEIVE every year.

So, to set you straight, not only do I *absolutely* fill out the bogus documentation and pay NO Federal tax, I actually collect $3500 that I NEVER paid in in the first place.

Thanks to suckers like you.

Why WOULDN'T I file under those circumstances?

But, what I do or do not do is NOT the issue at all. The issue is that the graduated income tax, as levied, does not fall into EITHER of the ONLY two legitimate classes of tax as clearly specified in the Constitution.

It is NOT direct, becuae it is not apportioned and it is not indirect because it is not levied on the basis of being an excise, duty or impost.

But, these things are beyond your comprehension and intellectual capabilities. I suggest that you go buy some more flags and wave them while shouting "America, love it or leave it."

Nowhere have I ever said that congress has not the plenary authority to tax. They most assuredly do. And nowhere have I ever said that one should not pay a legitimate and constituionally appropriate tax. But when they tax OUTSIDE of the strictures laid down in the Constitution, they are BOGUS.

The founders SPECIFICALLY set up the tax structure to make it exceedingly difficult for congress to tax property by virtue of ownership. The apportionment requirement lays the tax open to public scrutiny and is virtually always defeated. That is why for the first half of our country's history the only known taxes were those of excises, duties and imosts on FOREIGNERS AND FOREIGN GOODS AND ****NOT**** ON DOMESTIC GOODS or DOMESTIC PROPERTY.

Try reading Stanton v Baltic Mining or Flint v Tracy or the Pollock and Hylton decisions.

The fruit of a man's labor is NOT constitutionally taxable at the Federal level EXCEPT through the modality of APPORTIONMENT.

Concepts, of course, with which you have no clue at all, being the ignorant rube that you have, here, proven yourself to be.

Oh, by the way, thanks for YOUR part of the $3500. I used most of that this year to put up the six foot barbed wire fence around my ten acres. Thanks, SOOOOOO much.

-- Paul Milne (, May 23, 1999.

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999


An excellent complete, documented, exposition re the above is in Otto Skinner's books -- descriptions of his books and various articles are on his web site.

BTW: There is light at the end of the tunnel. Whether or not Y2K brings us down, the end of the huge nation state is close, along with their ability to enforce confiscatory taxation (constitutional or not).

See "The Sovereign Individual" by Davidson and Rees-Mogg (search on for description and reviews).

-- A (, May 25, 1999.

Paul, why do you waive your 5th Amendment rights and sign a 1090 under penalties of perjury in order to collect $3500 from the Fed? Have you no integrity, man?

You seem to know a lot about the Constitution, but you don't give a damn about your Amendment Rights! I wouldn't waive my rights under any circumstances! Not even for $3500!!!!!

As long as I don't file a 1090, the IRS has no jurisdiction over me! That's the only way to fight the Federal Reserve scam! By you collecting $3500, you are part of the problem. You are no better than the dammed Beaurocrats! Have you no shame?

You are the scum of the Earth, when you know better, but join the bastards for a measely $3500!!!!

-- Nopaytax (, May 25, 1999.

Some are content to be leeches on society

-- levi (atthet@x.booth), May 25, 1999.

...and from Washington, D.C., President William Jefferson Clinton scores political points with paper manufacturers today. In a speech to the American Paper Mills Association, President Clinton is loudly cheered when he announces that all copies of the U.S. Constitution will be collected at Federal expense, and donated to American paper mills as free raw material for toilet paper.

Congressman Barney Frank, whose district includes a number of paper mills is quoted as saying "This makes us all very happy. I feel all tingly inside!".

...and now, back to New York...

-- Anonymous99 (, May 25, 1999.

This thread was not posted by me, but it looks like it's turning out to be popular. As with Gary North, or Ed Yourdon, or any other y2k researcher, Milne's personal beliefs do not change the facts of the y2k problem.

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999.

I am Milne's bootlicking lackey. I grovel before his genius.

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999.

Imposter: you're gonna get it back in spades.

-- lisa (, May 25, 1999.

lisa, you do nothing but cause trouble. Can't say I've seen any info. posted by you on any topic.

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999.

me???? causing trouble? and what're you doing here today, community service? (this is directed at the imposter a)

-- Lisa (, May 25, 1999.

All I see is you posting milne quotes, a.

-- Lisa (, May 25, 1999.

Which "a" did you mean the second time Lisa?

And how can someone be an imposter when the handle is just "a" ???

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999.

Since this joker won't go scratch himself somewhere else or something and kindly split this thread:

******************This is the last post from the Real a ********* This thread was not posted by me, but it looks like it's turning out to be popular. As with Gary North, or Ed Yourdon, or any other y2k researcher, Milne's personal beliefs do not change the facts of the y2k problem.

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999. *****************and I didn't write that about a only posting Milne stuff ********************************************************

-- Lisa (, May 25, 1999.

Must be a slow day at the deBuggery...

-- a (a@a.a), May 25, 1999.

could we keep this on topic please? go play elsewhere children

I find it abhorant that this man says one thing [and charges money for his advice] then does just the opposite. does anyone else feel this way?

Also if he really lives this way what makes him an authority on y2k?

-- still (in the market@this.time), May 25, 1999.

what makes him an authority on y2k? still waiting.

-- mouthy (, May 28, 1999.

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