Joe, in a thread below said, "Cory needs to defend his statement, 'whatever happens, it ain't gonna get fixed.'"

No Joe, I was referring to and restating the sense of the 60 Minutes Y2K episode.

The little payroll problem took 2 months to fix and apparently this was a problem detected during testing. The Monkey County guy said that systems that they thought were Y2K-OK turned out not to be.

Their Erikson phone system had to be replaced at a cost of millions of dollars.

If these things fail on the fly, they will not be fixed. Monkey county is the best of the breed; their Y2K-guy had doubted that DeeCee will make it. You can use DeeCee as a metaphore for all the clueless business entities out there.

Whatever.... more WRPS. Will upload pollyanna2 soon.

-- cory (kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net), May 24, 1999

Answers

Hi, Cory.

It seems we meet again on another medium.

"You can use DeeCee as a metaphore for all the clueless business entities out there."

Or...you could use the countless municipalities/companies that are already remediated. We've gone over this one before, Cory, and extrapolations on the progress of the nation simply don't work with me based on the progress of D.C. Remember on usenet when you felt that 400 consultants pulled in at the 11th hour trumped ANYTHING I'd seen with my own eyes? I've seen TWO cities pull it together now, Cory....population exceeding D.C. by FAR. Do you STILL want to use D.C. (the last minute project from hell) as an example?

I'm SURE there are cities/companies in the dumper besides D.C., Cory, but AT THE LEAST give some credence to those who had the foresight to remediate in a timely fashion.

Anita

-- Anita Spooner (spoonera@msn.com), May 24, 1999.

Cory, I like that. I think I'll start calling myself "Don't Know Joe." Why? Seems alot of people don't know what's going to happen come Y2k.

No offense, you understand, but my question still remains unanswered. Now, you say, "things won't be fixed on the fly." I'm no computer guy, but I still need some understanding as to why you think things won't be fixed ever. Clue me in, cause I'm Don't Know Joe.

-- Don't Know Joe (aka) DKJ (JoeSeeky@aol.com), May 24, 1999.

Anita, I am surprised!

But now I get it. You've been lieing in wait. Wanting Cory to post something to raise your hair. I thought you were a newbie when you e- mailed me taking up for Stephen Poole CET,but now you let your true colors be known. Why didn't you just tell us all you wanted to mix it up with Cory? Instead you act like a newbie and wait. Please, Please proceed and show your ASS.

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), May 24, 1999.

Psst. Anita.

See Johnny's comment?

Didn't I warn you? :)

Heh.

-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), May 24, 1999.

I'd like to see a list of the "countless" municipalities and companies that are fully remediated. I don't work for one or live in one and that makes me nervous. Got a list, Anita?

-- Doug (douglasjohnson@prodigy.net), May 24, 1999.

Stephen Poole (CERTIFIED EXERCISE THERAPIST) You are just mad cause I'm not your friend!

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), May 24, 1999.

Good try Anita. However, that tripe you dished out doesn't cut it anymore. Save the hyperbolic pablum for after the rollover-it'll be good for a laugh.

-- Jeremiah Jetson (laterthan@uthink.y2k), May 24, 1999.

Wow, Anita missed the point entirely - it doesn't matter if 75 percent of everything is fixed, if the other 25 percent goes nonlinear more or less simultaneously. The fact that some places have succeeded in their remediation doesn't change the fact that the number of places and organizations which have not and will not succeed in time will undoubtedly push the boundaries of the fault tolerance of our society. When one adds into this the cumulative effect of the loss of many of those external support mechanisms we depend on for food, petroleum, and so forth, there can be no doubt that the fault tolerance will be exceeded in some places.

Happy-think wont change that.

Arlin Adams

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), May 24, 1999.

This response is for Johnny:

Anita, I am surprised! But now I get it. You've been lieing in wait. Wanting Cory to post something to raise your hair. I thought you were a newbie when you e- mailed me taking up for Stephen Poole CET,but now you let your true colors be known. Why didn't you just tell us all you wanted to mix it up with Cory? Instead you act like a newbie and wait. Please, Please proceed and show your ASS.

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), May 24, 1999.

Johnny:

I NEVER E-mailed you. I explained my position on another thread on this board. I am NOT a NEWBIE to Y2k...simply a NEWBIE to THIS forum. I didn't even know Cory posted here until I saw his posts in the past few days. If THAT's what you call "laying in wait", I would think that I would have done a better job of investigating. I ran into Cory on the newsgroups. He didn't even give me the courtesy of a response at that time. Instead, he included his response in another thread on another topic.

I'm NOT saying that Y2k will be a piece-of-cake, Johnny. I'm SIMPLY saying that I could JUST AS WELL extrapolate on the entire nation or all the corporations out there with my knowledge of TWO municipalities that ARE ready as Cory extrapolates on the entire nation and all the corporations out there with his knowledge of ONE. NEITHER would be appropriate.

For the other guy (whose name excapes me, but starts with an A), the City of Fort Worth is ONE, and the city in which *I* live is another. I'm unwilling to give my city's name, because there are folks here who may disagree SO MUCH with what I have to say on this subject that my life could be in jeopardy. [at least I HOPE this was in jest.]

Stephen: Yes...you DID warn me. I really don't have time to respond to flames. I believe we have some trouble ahead and that many on this forum agree with that also. It indeed raises my fur when I see folks state what THEY experienced and extrapolate that to the entire nation. My point all along was that I could do the same, but that it's incorrect to do so.

Anita

-- Anita Spooner (spoonera@msn.com), May 24, 1999.

60 minutes and counting. 59... 58... 57...

-- Wiseguy (got@it.gov), May 24, 1999.

TooooooooooooooooT

That's not a long toot, it's a chain strung between two telephone poles.

Break one link, any link, and the whole chain falls.

We're talking about 60 minutes. Monkey county and DeeCee are adjacent. If DeeCee goes down hard, so does compliant Monkey county, and PG county and other entities.

Tell it to the Y2K director of Monkey county who is worried about DeeCee.

-- cory (kiyoinc@ibm.XOUT.net), May 24, 1999.

Anita,

Debate, discussion, rational argument, statistics, and the scientific method all require extrapolation from verifiable points. Most of the points mentioned above are from mainstream news media reports and so would be considered verfiable by most folks, especially since the reports are sourced.

Sometimes, people leap to conclusion based upon their narrow world view or perception of reality and personal experiences. That leap is not often for the better, as you and I would agree. CH appears to be using 'good' points, not personal points. Arlin (much to my chagrin) even seems to be making an objective point. So what is your point?

-- Uhm... (jfcp81a@prodigy.com), May 24, 1999.

The above responses illustrate why I like Roleigh Martin's assessement of Y2K impacts. On the Webster 1 to 10 scale, Martin projects a 5.5 to 9 range based on different location and circumstance. Some areas are going to be hit harder than others. The problem is there is no scientific method to assess which area is worst because the facts are being kept hidden.

-- Bill P (porterwn@one.net), May 24, 1999.

Anita, I think that you always need to consider things like our nation's capital has INTERDEPENDENCIES (yep, there's that doomer word again!) with other places (you know, like the rest of the U.S. -- I mean, it IS that capital for goodness sakes!!). Plus, as has been pointed out, sometimes systems that are supposedly remediated turn out ... well, not to be. You know, like not having that "all of 1999 for testing" kind of cramps testing styles, so that things tend to get somewhat dicey when the real live date comes to pass.

Ok, now that we got that out of the way, I wanted to ask you: Do you like to mudwrestle?

-- King ofSpain (madrid@aol.com), May 24, 1999.

So, how many companies would hire Marion Barry as CEO...? (laughter) D.C. is the worst administered city in the U.S., if not the Western Hemisphere. Y2K? Every day is a problem for D.C.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), May 24, 1999.

Crackhead mayors worry about Y2K, too. Coccaine imports, naptha, butane, etc... What happens when the supply chain breaks? What contingency plans are in place for the "smokies" of the world?

-- Bill (y2khippo@yahoo.com), May 25, 1999.

Decker -- Yes and Atlanta is on the road to a Y2K train wreck and Denver is publicly stating they will FOF. Even DC isn't that crazy. There are dozens of metro Y2K DCs in the making and hundreds of > 50,000 municipalities likewise.

Anything from you guys except seriousness about the scope of the issue on May 24, 1999.

-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), May 25, 1999.

BigDog, you watch, the pollys have nowhere else to go now except to trivialize Y2K -- i.e., to claim that well, ok, yeah, it won't get fixed, BUT it is still no problem because it really does not affect anything much. There is no other "ace in the hole" that they have have left at this point in time, especially with the 60 Minutes treatment and latest stats regarding the (non)compliance of Fortune 500 companies.

-- Jack (jsprat@eld.net), May 25, 1999.

Help me out here folks. i'm having a slightly premature senior moment here. Wasn't it Fort Worth that just recently advertised in an RFP for rent a bodies to evaluate or re-evaluate their compliance due to concerns raised by vendors??

'Course I might have another city in Texas on my mind.

CHUCK creaking off to the kitchen for a bedtime snack

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), May 25, 1999.

111 days to go.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), May 25, 1999.

BD,

It's called muddling through. (Check your public administration texts for the full article.) The really sad thing though, the residents of D.C. will find some way to blame the "establishment" and elect another shyster.

Regards,

-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), May 25, 1999.

Chuck,

Wasn't it Fort Worth that just recently advertised in an RFP for rent a bodies to evaluate or re-evaluate their compliance due to concerns raised by vendors??

I think you're thinking of Houston. Anita must not live there, either.

-- Doug (douglasjohnson@prodigy.net), May 25, 1999.