I do believe it's time for a new way to describe the Polly's, DGI's etc. Their new label should be USEFUL IDIOTS (UI) because their incessant yammering against those of us who don't suffer from the twin malady of ignorance/arrogance only provides cover for gutless politicians and media types whose mission is to keep the populace in a constant state of confusion. You morons that believe everything happens by accident make me sick. Also, for our next project let's start working up definitions/descriptions/future action against DOMESTIC ENEMIES (DE).

-- saveamerica (gfc40@hotmail.net), May 22, 1999

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I think it should be USELESS IDIOTS and not USEFUL IDIOTS!!! Simply because they are totally useless on this Forum!!! We have no use for them!!!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), May 22, 1999.

saveamerica commented:

"only provides cover for gutless politicians and media types whose mission is to keep the populace in a constant state of confusion. "

saveamerica you NAILED it!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 22, 1999.

The term "useful idiots" was coined by V.I. Lenin, I believe. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was used to describe those who enabled the spread of socialism, even though it meant their eventual doom. Sort of like the Americans who clamor for gun control.

-- . (.@...), May 22, 1999.

nice of Ray to answer his own post

-- GI stands (for@"gutless.idiot"), May 22, 1999.

I think of the contrary perspective, as it exists on this forum, as "useful denialists". It is an important guage. I expecially appreciate the more educated perspective because it is a good guage of the type, and strength, of the educated denial that exists. The better to guage how long I have to prepare before the denial turns to anger (the second step of grieving....there is much to grieve as Y2K approaches) and people stampede to "do something". When denial turns to anger and then to bargaining(the third stage of grieving)to prepare; there will be decreasing productivity and increasing hysteria. I want to be finished by that poiint and get out of the way.

-- leslie (leslie@***.***), May 22, 1999.

Leslie,

interesting observation! FWIW we have seen evidence (i.e. posts copied from the denialist fora by OutingsR, among others) that indicates the denialists are in fact acting out of anger - in one post last week they openly stated they wanted to shut this board down - they aren't interested in debate, but rather in silencing the opposition. This would appear to indicate that your idea of the using the grieving paradigm as a metric has a lot of merit.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), May 22, 1999.

It is my belief that anyone who takes the time to be a contrarian on this forum takes Y2K seriously enough not to think it will be "no big problem" or "bump in the road" despite their verbage to the contrary.

Because the "contray denialists" vigorously and passionately persist, and voice their position again and again, IMHO, they "protest to loudly"; thus appearing to be in the serious stage of grieving Y2K called denial, often partnered with the stage of anger inorder to bargain with the Yordonites and somehow "manage" Y2K. By the same token, IMHO, many Yordonites appear perhaps to have progressed out of denial but be stuck in the anger and bargaining stage, with an equal passionate persistence,also to somehow "manage" Y2K.

Since people grieving a situation or person are NORMALLY in different stages, the passion, debate, persistance, high emotion and raw conflict keep folks from hitting the depression stage when reality sets in and the distraction of argument can't push the reality of Y2K away any longer. I

MHO, an understanding of the grieving process and the profound grief that Y2K represents, might provide some perspective and perhaps compassion for all the different stages of grief represented on a forum with the Yordonite view of Y2k. Very few of us have worked through to face the depression stage that leads to acceptance. Thus, IMHO, all the effort and contribution to this forum has value. We're all facing uncertainty with ambiguous information. As long as we are here, no matter what our contribution, we are together and not facing Y2K alone. It's a process....

-- leslie (***@***.net), May 22, 1999.

I wish doomers would learn how to read. this means you arlin

-- Super Polly (flea@polly.grip), May 22, 1999.

We are very likely to have big problems, whether or not just a small percentage of us are GIs, or if the whole world is. There is no way everyone can prepare. So bless the idiots (DGIs, DWGIs) for enabling you to prepare and at fairly reasonable costs.

-- A (A@AisA.com), May 23, 1999.