What specifically do you think will have problems

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I wonder what specific (physical) things you think will still fail. Not government actions, wars elsewhere etc, but things like water, power, phones, building systems, cars, trains etc

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), May 20, 1999


Oil production, refining and transpertation.


-- Taz (Tassie @aol.com), May 20, 1999.

How about ALL OF THE ABOVE, including ECT. The question should be, who and where, not what!

-- FLAME AWAY (BLehman202@aol.com), May 20, 1999.

Oil production water de-salinization in Middle-East.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), May 20, 1999.

International telecommunications,chemical/plastic industries & financial services

-- Chris (griffen@globalnet.co.uk), May 20, 1999.

But Cherri-Bomb (who joins us from the BFI and Der Boonkah forums) -- less than two months ago on this very forum you said, http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000hVO

". . . someone can give a "personal opinion" that 40 billion "embedded chips" exist with the chance of 10% or less may have Y2K failures due to date issues and all need to be checked, and the whole world is suddenly scared that anything that uses electricity has the potential to fail and goes off the deep end in fear. Even though later the "opinion" is said to have been proven too high. And remember this was not stated as fact, but disclaimered as "my opinion only". Now Grandma is afraid of her waffle iron, and you don't know if your curling iron will fail in 2000.

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), April 09, 1999.


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So, you looking for more troll ammunition, or what? Hey, Cher, if yur grandma's afraid of her waffle iron, don't let her hear the noise my blender makes!

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 20, 1999.

I agree that shortfalls in oil imports may be the most important. But many chemical processes may go down also. I'd guess that the more complex the product, and the more lengthy the supply lines, the greater the problem. If we manage to keep most of the grid and telcos up, we will mostly face an expanding economic disaster as supply lines collapse and companies go belly up. Next time you go shopping, have a look at the country of origin of what you buy. I'm stocking up on work boots (China), soap and detergent, tools of all sorts, non hybrid seeds, antibiotics, ammo (as well as food and fuel).

During the Rodney King LA riots, the sale of ammo was instantly banned.

-- Tennessean (holladayl@aol.com), May 20, 1999.

Imports (the global trading system). Here's the link to a report by the Department Of Commerce:

http://y2k.ita.doc.gov/y2k/y2k.nsf/dd5cab6801f1723585256474005327c8/b3 cb5b3db231dd9b85256759004baaa5?OpenDocument

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), May 20, 1999.

My VCR isn't going to work, and, um, oh yeah, planes will fall out of the sky.

-- Doug (douglasjohnson@prodigy.net), May 20, 1999.


This thread that was started just three days ago...


"What Are Your Top 3 Y2K Concerns, Right Now?"

...should answer your question quite well, unless you're trying to assemble a list of failed Y2K predictions and the people who made them.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), May 20, 1999.

Aside from the huge stuff (Japan crashing int'l finance, FAA software, power grid, etc) I worry about things like Venezuela, who, I believe, supply us with more than half of our beef. Cattle aren't just-add-water types of product.

Imagine not being able to afford a hamburger or taco... across the nation. Imagine restaurants having to close their doors until the supply kinks get worked out.. imagine the cost of triply-inspecting hamburger due to worries about FIFO and E. Coli...

It's the "little" things.....

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), May 20, 1999.

"Imagine not being able to afford a hamburger or taco..."

Here, kitty kitty kitty - BANG!

Yeah, I can picture that pretty well.

-- pass (the@bbq.sauce), May 20, 1999.

I think imports, transportation, water treatment, waste treatment and health care.

-- leslie (leslie@***.***), May 20, 1999.


With all due respect, Venezuela is not a large exporter of beef. The largest suppliers of beef to the United States are Canada, Australia and New Zealand, with those three countries accounting for 85.4 percent of all beef imported by the U.S. In fact, the U.S. is a net exporter of beef and "variety meats."

I dislike taking you to task on this, but on the Internet, bad guesses often evolve into oft repeated "facts." With a little research, you can learn how much beef the U.S. produces, imports and exports. If you dig a bit, you'll find that we are a "bread basket" for the world and an exporter of many foodstuffs (beef included).

Please, Lisa, if you don't know, don't guess.


-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), May 20, 1999.

Thanks, Deck, on the way home yesterday I realized I wrote Venezuela (must be because this thread has petroleum on the brain).. I meant to say Argentina.

Let me go find some backup for the Argentina statement and I'll be back............

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), May 21, 1999.

Good luck on the research, Lisa, but I think you'll find my previous post correct. Argentina does have a domestic cattle industry, but it is not a major exporter to the United States.

By the way, you might also enjoy some reading on economics. If the United States experienced a shortage of beef, you could still buy a hamburger... it would just cost more. While I don't have time to explain how distorted our agricultural markets have become, you can be assured that "market forces" still work.


-- Mr. Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), May 21, 1999.

Water, oil, and health care.

Where's the beef?

-- regular (zzz@z.z), May 21, 1999.

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