OT-Israel joins NWO - Clinton promises who? what? to get Barak elected for legacy?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
So Clinton (and who else ?, with whose funding? )sends his favorite lapdog to Israel to ensure Barak gets elected, not the "extreme right-winger" now President there.
For the conspiracy buffs out there -
Yes, Carville helped elect the current political party of Panama (who leased the ports at both ends of the Panama Canal to the Chinese Navy as bases)
Yes, the election happened when two smaller parties (like Perot did in 92) pulled out very shortly before the election - giving their support to Barak. Watch want these two get very closely. One middle-of-road - according to US national news media (synonym for socialists ?), one Arab-based, (easily subject to influence through PLO's contacts with Clinton?)
Yes - Clinton and the national news media are specifically linking Clinton, Blair, Germany's president, and now Barak as "kindred souls" - all "good guys" in the realm of the media's scorecard who can do no wrong and who must be propped up at all costs.
Yes, now Clinton expects rapid progress in peace talks - before he leaves office, according to the World Tribune:
By Steve Rodan SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Monday, May 17, 1999
The United States has high expectations of Ehud Barak, the winner of Monday's general election in Israel.
U.S. diplomatic sources said Clinton administration and State Department officials have drafted plans to begin multi-track peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians and Israel and Syria. They said Washington will press for accelerated talks so that peace agreements can be signed while President Bill Clinton is still in office.
"The expectations from Barak are similar to those the United States had of Yitzhak Rabin when he was elected in 1992," a U.S. diplomatic source said. "At least in the initial stage, there will be a big push to move things forward on both the Israeli-Palestinian and the Israeli-Syrian tracks."
Barak led Likud incumbent Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu by up to 17 points in the latest polls.
Last week, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told the American Jewish Committee that Washington intends to press for accelerated negotiations with the Palestinians after a winner emerges from the Israeli elections.
"Once the elections are over, we will urge, without any further delay, implementation of all outstanding Wye obligations by both sides," Ms. Albright added. "We will also seek to resume the final status negotiations with the objective of completing them within one year. We will be prepared, in addition, to undertake a new effort to make progress on the Syrian and Lebanese tracks."
Sources in the Clinton administration said its efforts to accelerate peace talks will not be shelved should Netanyahu be reelected.
U.S. government sources said the administration is prepared to demonstrate generosity to Barak. They said this could include a decision to allow a congressional effort to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, $1.2 billion in additional defense funds in connection with the Wye River accords and the release of Jonathan Pollard, sentenced to life in prison for spying for Israel.
Some U.S. aides, however, involved in the Middle East planning are skeptical whether Barak will agree to simultaneous peace talks. These aides, including State Department peace talks coordinator Dennis Ross, assess that Barak will insist on focusing on the Palestinian track.
These aides have urged senior senior White House and State Department officials not to place too high hopes on Barak. They said although Barak will not be confrontational he will be more stubborn than Rabin.
Unlike Rabin, the aides said, Barak will probably be less affected by the advice of his colleagues. They said Barak remains deeply suspicious of such Labor Party colleagues as Yossi Beilin, an architect of the 1993 Oslo peace process.
The result, they said, is that the U.S. administration, which badly wants progress in the peace talks, will become quickly frustrated. "The honeymoon with Barak will probably be a short one," a U.S. diplomatic source said. "Bill Clinton wants to complete the Middle East peace process during his presidency and this will lead to pressure."
Clinton will have in former Prime Minister Shimon Peres an ally in any Barak goverment, the U.S. sources said. The sources expect Peres to be given a ministry that will be responsible for multilateral talks. But Peres will seek to influence and direct Israel's foreign policy.
Peres has already urged any new Israeli government to wrap up Middle East talks during the Clinton administration, saying the president is committed to achieving a peace agreement.
Sources in Barak's inner circle said they are aware of U.S. expectations in case their candidate wins. They said they could not predict Barak's response.
"Barak is somebody who is resistant to advice," one source said. "He listens politely but honestly believes he knows better than anybody. This could prove to be a problem."
Monday, May 17, 1999>>
-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (email@example.com), May 17, 1999
WAKE UP Robert,
Isreal has been in the NWO for 40 years. We supply them 3 Billion in aid per yr. They are the rock of NATO support in the Middle East.
"I never intend to adjust myself to the madness of militarism."
- Martin Luther King Jr
-- R. Wright (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 17, 1999.
Sorry - I wasn't clear.
Now, with these moves, Clinton and Blair have essentially co-op'ed Isreal's presidency from the conservative Netany. and company - at the same time they are expanding a false-front "NATO" war in Yugoslavia - why?
Before, with the conservatives in charge - the policies Clinton wants towards Palestine - to benefit ?? - could be blunted by somebody who didn't "owe" Clinton his position and his media support.
Now, Barak owes his soul to Clinton - and thus to whoever "owns" Clinton at the moment. Not a safe place to be, since Hillary wants Palestine to be a state, and Clinton desparately wants "something - anything" to get signed so he can claim a legacy.
-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (email@example.com), May 17, 1999.
A pretty neat trick, removing Netanyahu like that. A totally defensible move that eliminates the last barrier to the goals of the Clinton Administration/ N.W.O. Look for a Palestinian state within months ; the internationalization of Jerusalem and possibly even the partitioning/ disarmament of Israel.
-- greg lawrence (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 18, 1999.
I disagree. I believe Clinton's support is in hopes Palistine is finally recognized, with voting rights, promoting peace. Busines can than prosper without worrying about those pesky terrorist. Israel will never be disarmed, unless the mid east runs out of oil.
-- R. Wright (email@example.com), May 18, 1999.
I would never argue with anyone suggesting that BJ Clinton is up to no good...
...having said that, though, there seems to be a rift between the Orthodox Jews (deeply religious, mostly in Israel) and the Reform/Conservatives (characterized by US Jews - more secular, driven more by money). Sounds like the more secular Jews are winning.
-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous99.xxx), May 18, 1999.
Peace? Most politicians think of a piece. Wether it is of the money pie or whatever. They can't seem to get it in their heads that peace cannot be without FREEDOM. And they can't deliver either one, only take it away when they start crying, "We will have peace in our time."
-- Mark Hillyard (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 18, 1999.
Robert --- Israel's greatest protection vis-a-vis U.S. would/will be Hillary running from Senate in NY. If they push Israel TOO hard, she can forget ANY chance at being elected in this state. The flip side is also true: if she chooses not to run, watch for the screws to be put on .....
-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), May 18, 1999.
Now the door is open for the Clinton Legacy; a Nobel Peace Prize for the latest Middle East Peace Accord. No other US President has gotten a Nobel Prize. Not Bush, not Reagan, not Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or even either Roosevelt or Lincoln. Just Bubba.
And however many Israelis, Palestinians or Arabs die as result of a peace treaty that doesn't bring lasting peace, that'll be someone else's problem. He'll have his Nobel, pension and Presidential library and the people outside his circle of friends be damned.
Heard in the White House (perhaps?): "And all it took was sending Carville over to run the election. A whole lot easier than fighting wars, like this Kosovo crap."
-- Wildweasel (email@example.com), May 18, 1999.
Teddy Roosevelt, 1904 Russian-Japanese War?
-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 18, 1999.
Pardon me, WW, if memory serves me correct Carter shared a Nobel peace price with Sadat and Begin, for the Camp David Accords - I could be wrong though, I haven't double checked.
-- Morgan (email@example.com), May 18, 1999.