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A typical thread:
The Y2K meme is sucking the lifeblood from us pollies by CPR Yes it is by CPR You're right by CPR Doomers are nuts by Paul Davis They are going to suck us dry by CPR They are fools and they can't think straight by CPR The Yourdon forum is full of insane people by Paul Davis Don't go to the Yourdon forum! It's a waste of our lives by CPR Yes it is by CPR You're right by CPR
-- a (a@a.a), May 14, 1999
geeez ... that forum sounds like it could use some help. does anyone know its URL?lou
-- lou navarro (lanny1@ix.netcom.com), May 14, 1999.
As I said on another thread, a --We will persist until we suck the vital life-force out of every polly. First, Poole. Slurp. Burp! Ahhhhhh ...... Next, Paul
Yummy. Slurp. Sluuuurrrrp. BURP!
Next.
-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), May 14, 1999.
AHH EEEE URK HELP NOOOOOOOOOOOOSeriously, if you just have to do this, give the link!
http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&TL=9266 10190
Anyway, do you think a list of the subjects of replys to threads on this forum make any more sense?
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), May 14, 1999.
Paul,I thought it especially insightful that you suggested on the Biffy board that people were paid to post "doomer" messages here, your logic being that so much time is spent here by some folks. Guess really the same could be said bout you??
-- sheep (sheep@sheeple.com), May 14, 1999.
Be aware those are not direct quotes.It's okay though, debunking won't be needed much longer.
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb237006
Also see:
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-- Buddy (.@...), May 14, 1999.
Come on Buddy -- those folks are just trying to sell books :)
-- a (a@a.a), May 14, 1999.
Uh, Buddy, I think that book should be given away at cost? If you pollies don't adhere to double standards?Look how Monsieur Boivin has the ant-hill all riled up. Makes me nostalgic....
-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), May 14, 1999.
Buddy, aka Doomslayer -- how ya doin', Buddy?http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 25399427&P=Yes&TPP=25&TL=925394939
Thursday, 29-Apr-1999 11:23:47
206.99.225.3 writes:
I first went to Yourdon's forum because of Yourdon's reputation, which I learned about while earning a Computer Science degree. I almost barfed when I read Yourdon's approach to the problem. Then when I started reading the forum I couldn't believe the amount of crap there.
Doomslayer
And you still hang here, dude? You don't mind if we crap some more, do ya?
Got barf bags?
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 14, 1999.
Sayn't Paul -- good to see ya again. Be real happy to oblige ya with a full posting. Here's another walk down Memory Lane.http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 24491890&P=Yes&TL=924439083
Debunking Y2k webboard
Re: But DENTIST Len has another friend Sunday, 18-Apr-1999 23:18:10
209.214.193.214 writes:
CPR - it has amazed me that no effort has been made to tar me with that brush. I have not made any secret of where I work (Army Corps of Engineers - contract) and you would think they would claim I get paid to fuss around on the Internet. Actually it IS part of my job to scan around and look for new Y2K information every now and then - but Yourdon's board is a poor place for information about anything but X-FILES stuff any more.
Paul Davis
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 14, 1999.
No Outings, not hanging here anymore. Just skimming the thread names. I read a few if the title appeals to me, but skip most now. When I first started here I could understand all the "what ifs" and "could happens" because there wasn't much info. out there. But now, there's plenty of info. Awareness has skyrocketed. Yet, this place is still stuck on last year's info. not to mention the increase in political off-topic posts.
-- buddy (buddydc@go.com), May 14, 1999.
Oh, and Lisa, I just found out about that book via e-mail today. I don't have anything to do with it. Price seems reasonable though.
-- Buddy (.@...), May 14, 1999.
I like this one:"The odds of y2k being TEOTWAWKI are about the same as all of the electrons in the universe converging into one point." - Paul Davis
Uh, Paul...would that be anything like the Big Bang?
-- a (a@a.a), May 14, 1999.
a, that would be the big crunch. Inverse of big bang. Which is gonna happen.
-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), May 14, 1999.
May I suggest you rename this " The sound of one hand moving up & down"?
-- Gia (Laureltree7@hotmail.com), May 15, 1999.
LOL! Good one Gia!!!
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), May 15, 1999.
Yea, the other hand has moved in here... Ever use both hands... <:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
Buddy,*Yet, this place is still stuck on last year's info. not to mention the increase in political off-topic posts.*
The back and forth, often childish, arguments about severity have become rather boring to me after being at this for over a year. Time will tell whether or not enough was fixed. I, for one, like some of the OT threads, even the ones that make me doubt the general sanity level of the board.
Sysman,
In your dreams!
-- Uncle D (unkeed@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
paul davis cracks me up,his poor children!can you imagine having him as a father? "what,you disagree with me?you must be insane!"
-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
I notice that some of the debunker crowd has the courage of their convictions to come over here and debate. I notice that NOBODY here has the courage to go over there and debate on their turf. The Yourdon Doomers have made their preferences very clear -- we want the optimists to GO AWAY so that we can all face our doom without all this troublesome nonsense. We are comfortable sitting here where most people agree with us (by and large) and we don't dare preach to anyone but the choir. Nonbelievers are to be attacked.If you think the debunker forum people are wrong, why not go over there and explain this to them? What are you afraid of? Who knows, some lurkers over there might even see the light?
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 15, 1999.
Flint,Are you schizophrenic???
...The Yourdon Doomers have made their preferences very clear -- we want the optimists to GO AWAY so that we can all face our doom without all this troublesome nonsense. We are comfortable sitting here where most people agree with us (by and large) and we don't dare preach to anyone but the choir. Nonbelievers are to be attacked.
What's this WE crap, Flint. You, a Yourdon Doomer? HA!!!
BTW, thanks for the stereotyping...
-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
Flint -- let's see if we can explain this in one-syllable words.This place for what and how to do if bad Y2K (or storm) come. That place for what and how to do to save nut folk like us from selves. This place like to talk-talk for prep and food and stuff; that place like to sneer and scorn and knock down. That place put your IP for all to see, can you say porno spam?
Most of us like not to go back and forth, back and forth, same old, same old. That place do. Not a lot of folks go there to back and forth, back and forth, same old, same old, so they come here and screw things up.
We not pea in their pool, please not to pea in ours. We leave them be, they leave us be, yes? Piss off, so to speak, 'scuse French.
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 15, 1999.
Flint,Why would anyone CARE to waste their time there?
Diane ... also an optimist, but not a fool.
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
Flint, What a daft boy. Yourdonites don't go to debunker boards, not because they are afraid to debate, but because they have more important ways to spend their time. I for one go to the Yourdon board to Learn ways of preparation and of a more self reliant life style. I don't buy tons of the hype but it's kind of like a spaghetti fight man, whatevers yours sticks to you. Some of the postings here I find helpful, some of them I don't. I don't find anything helpful on the debunker boards so why waste my time.You seem to imply that all this back and forth debating is some kind of a game to see who has the biggest balls. I don't need that kind of fun. Sheep
-- Sheep (sheep@sheeple.com), May 15, 1999.
This forum is hardly devoted exclusively to preparation techniques. To the extent that preparation is discussed here (which is quite a bit), the focus is on how much preparation of what sort is most appropriate. To answer these questions, we need to come to as clear an understanding as possible of what the future may bring.And obviously there's a great deal of disagreement about the future. Surely nobody here really believes that they have a hotline to the future and any disagreement with their crystal ball *must* reflect stupidity, dishonesty, insincerity, etc. How much can anyone really learn if everyone agrees on something nobody can demonstrate?
The debunker board is moribund because of that agreement, combined with just as much disrespect for pessimists as pessimists have for the optimists. It isn't very rewarding to give a lot of thought to all the material you can find, post those thoughts expressed as well as you can, and be met with mockery rather than debate.
I believe those who disagree should be treated seriously and be given the benefit of the doubt. Doing so opens our minds to viewpoints and ideas we otherwise might have missed, and this can't hurt our preparations and may help a lot. Empty personal attacks against those holding different opinions make some of the children here feel better, but contribute nothing substantive.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 15, 1999.
In the normal ways of things Flint, they are "treated seriously and being given the benefit of the doubt."Until their "agenda" comes clear.
A truly sincere post is *usually* treated accordingly. (Unless we've had a plethora of troll attacks). "Mr." D ... is rarely sincere, and more often condescending. This is quite evident.
Even you, have your good "daze" and not so good ones. As do we all.
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
207.227.232.68 writes:I find it odd you would cheer for him for cross-postings IP's from here. He claims its because "we" (whatever THAT means) do the same.
The only person slammed around was asking for nude pics of YOU, girly-meme... Should CPR (or anyone else for that matter) not try and put a stop to that right away? The poster should have known his IP was flappin' in the breeze...it needed a spankin' after that.
If Yourdon would get Phil to display IP's with the postings, 80% of the "trolls" would vanish from Stinkbomb (and probably 60% of the "regulars" since we know they post as more than one person...) But I don't think he will do it. It would cut down on his 'traffic' way to much...and THAT, my little Gosling, would be bad for "bidness".
Mutha
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 15, 1999.
Flint,I think your own words should answer your question:
"That forum is basically CPR and Doc Paulie, and they are as closed-minded a pair as I've encountered in some time."
<:)=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), May 15, 1999.
Mutha:I believe you could look at a tidal wave and, drop by drop, demonstrate that no particular drop could cause any problems. And since the tidal wave is itself composed of nothing but drops, it poses no dangers at all. QED.
Yes, I'm encouraged to read about each nonthreatening drop as factually refuted by those you named. The epiphenomenon of the wave itself, however, continues to bother me.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 16, 1999.
Outings - as I said on another thread here - I am curious about the D&G types over here who seem to be able to monitor this forum 24/7. That implies some money being spent on things other than preps, and also implies the poster has a lot of time on their hands. Take a look at the stats - I have about 1/3 the posts of the top posters - and some of them started on this board MONTHS after I did. Now that can't be done unless the person posting has access to a constant service - RoadRunner would do, though a T1 would be better. Also, either someone is not sleeping or there are several people using the same name and going in shifts.You don't think the posting pattern for some folks is "curious"? I sure do!
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), May 16, 1999.
You're paranoid, Davis :)
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), May 16, 1999.
Paul,Some of us have odd schedules (mine gets me home at 0200 or thereabouts) and spend time here. I tend to spend about 1-2 hours here in the AM , get to bed, get a couple three hours sleep, roll out to let the cat out, spend an hour and get the rest of the day's sleep. If the posts were time stamped, too, this would look a lot like 24-7. Also, my machine stays logged on to my ISP pretty much 24 hours a day, unless they bounce me for whatever reason. (sometimes in the middle of a post, dagnabbit!!)
And, yes, letting the cat out entails more than opening a door. I have to move my car so she can go to work. Yes, my bride DOES know I refer to the situation this way and has determined that there is no remediation for it. She, after 25 years has figgured out that I'm, well, umm, her polite term for it is bull headed (LOL).
She CAN be more precise(LOL LOL)!!!
Chuck
-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), May 16, 1999.
Sayn't Paulie Boy says -- "You don't think the posting pattern for some folks is 'curious'? I sure do!"Nope. OutingsR just thinks the posting CONTENT for some folks is "curious." Like this guy who wants to regulate stuff --
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 26703210&P=Yes&TL=926631560
Debunking Y2k webboard - Friday, 14-May-1999 13:33:30
155.76.111.181 writes:
...There will be rats. It is going to be a problem. And there is nothing to do about it - there is no law against storing as much food for human consumption as you wish. I can't even think of anywhere that regulates how it is stored if it is for your own use. - Paul Davis
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 26610190&P=No&TL=926610190
Thursday, 13-May-1999 11:43:10
155.76.111.181 writes:
I hereby propose a rating system for Y2K related rumors and hoaxes.
I call this the brain cell system... - Paul Davis
(Quoted by)
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 16, 1999.
Mutha:I agree we need to determine if we *really are* dealing with a tidal wave. If there is such a wave, it's still out at sea. And out at sea, it's a subtle thing indeed. Without just the right instruments, it can barely be noticed. The surface rises only a little, and only slowly, and there's almost no movement of actual water. We sit on our boats located at the spike dates and look around and say, hey, where is it? What's the big deal? Must be a false alarm.
Eventually, if there is a wave (and there's entirely too much indication that there's *some* wave to deny it), it reaches shore. When know when this will happen, but we lack the instrumentation to determine it's size until it gets there. I don't expect it to destroy everything in its path, but I think it will have enough force left to knock over the weaker structures at the very least.
And no, nobody can prove it will or it won't.
-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 16, 1999.
The more I read it, the more I like the tidal wave analogy.PNG once referred to the Japanese banking system imapct as the Asian Tsunami.
Assuming we recognize it's more than one, and coming both simultaneously and in successive waves with different unknown points of maximum impact.
Got surf boards?
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), May 16, 1999.
-- (letscle@r.thisup), May 17, 1999.