Are there plans for martial law?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
I have heard rumors about the Marines doing an Urban Warrior project, and from this site today: http://www.drivezero.com/herbal/framea/linksa.html I was disturbed when I saw this group of articles in context about the National Guard and the Pentagon. Does anyone have any real information beyond rumors?
-- Alice Richmond (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 11, 1999
Nice to see you in another little corner of cyberspace. The group of articles you refer to seem to be about the latest that are being talked about. Today's Deseret News has an article retracting Bennett's "confirmation" about military preps for Y2K.
Bennett Misquoted in Syndicated Column
Other than the kinds of things we are seeing in various places, I don't know that any of this will ever rise much above the rumor level until the date rollover. They're not gonna come out and say it, if you know what I mean...
-- pshannon (email@example.com), May 11, 1999.
In a word, yes. There are plans for martial law.
There are also plans for everything imagineable and a lot of things that aren't. Don't worry about it- there are entire buildings full of people doing nothing but writing plans for all sorts of things. This is but one more way your tax dollars are put to work. Maybe it would be better if they spent a few more dollars on things like, oh, keeping up with where the Chinese moved their embassies and stuff.
There are also a whole lot of people yakking about all sorts of stuff they know nothing about and spreading truly bizarre rumors. Most of this is male bovine excreta and you shouldn't worry about that either. All those people in uniform they keep talking about are somebody's husbands and sons and mothers and uncles and sisters and so on, and they're amost all Americans. Some of them are dumb enough to do stuff they shouldn't. Most of them aren't. They are not some sort of mind controlled alien experimental creatures. Almost all of the mind controlled alien experimental creatures are inside the Beltway in Washington, DC. THEM you should worry about.
-- Lee (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 11, 1999.
Pshannon's last sentence says it all.
I think it was O. von Bismarck that said, "don't beleive anything until it has been officially denied."
Until the hammer falls, the best you can do is chase rumors and ponder amzing coincidences. One place to do this is at http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/Results.CFM?Links__Category=Martial_Law
Wasn't it Roosevelt that said, "In politics, nothing happens by accident" (or words to that effect)?
-- Ken Seger (email@example.com), May 11, 1999.
The Marines have intensified their Urban Warfare training over the last few years, primarily in response to that unfortunate experience in Somalia (and other "low intensity" conflicts). They do indeed have a large list of contingency plans; that's their job. However, it could be just as likely that the current "contingency plan" is for Kosovo, should they be ordered in. I would HOPE they are training for it, rather than just going in cold and unprepared. Again, that's their job. I refrain from expressing an opinion as to whether they SHOULD be ordered in.
As for the National Guard, I only know what I read in the papers...
-- Spindoctor (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 11, 1999.
Lee ....Since 1991, that I know of, all those enlisting in the armed forces of the U.S. , have to answer a question on paper ...... paraphrasing ... " Would you be willing to shoot U.S. citizens, if ordered to by your officers ?". But, if loud noises frighten you ,not to worry ! You'll never hear the sound of the shot that dispaches you . ALL liberals are SURE it will NEVER be fired at THEM . To quote William Bendix, in Wake Island, " I'm not afraid of the bullet with my name on it. It's the one addressed to "To whom it may concern" , that keeps me awake nights"! A. Wise Man
-- A. Wiseman (Wiseman@purgatory.com), May 11, 1999.
Alice, the best advise is: fore-warned is fore-armed. Even if you could substantiate impending martial law, what could you do about it? Simply keep yourself and your like-minded loved ones aware and awake to the potential of the future. Keep your eyes and ears open. Be mentally and emotionally prepared. Oh, and try to enjoy the rest of 1999. We truly live in interesting times, don't we?
-- (email@example.com), May 11, 1999.
Haven't we covered this? If martial law is declared, it will be a local response to quell rioting and looting, and will be welcomed by the terrified citizens (and rightly so). We can only hope that any such plans are well-rehearsed, well-coordinated, and well-supplied. And this requires practice and preparation.
-- Flint (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 11, 1999.
The question you refer to is a direct result of the moral dilemma posed by the Nuremburg (sp) trials. All US Military Officers (and Enlisted) are confronted with this question early in their training. Do you blindly follow orders, or do you evaluate those orders as to their legal and moral authority? A military member is legally and morally OBLIGATED to make this decision, for each and every instance of order given. The challenge in our open society is how to very rapidly know the difference? How do you train to instantly know the difference? Or at least rapidly enough to save a life (as likely your own as not).
Sometimes the question is straightforward, if not easy, such as being ordered to charge a fortified position under fire (quite legal). A military officer or enlisted recruit can be legally ordered to go into a situation where they will certainly die. Or kill others legally designated as the enemy (usually by declaration of war, or identified as aggressors).
Sometimes the question is ambiguous, and very difficult, such as being ordered to fire when an angry, lightly, but potentially lethally armed mob (bats, rocks, Molotov cocktails) is charging YOU. If they are your own countryman, do you retreat, or fire? There is actually no legal U.S. precedent for this kind of thing.
These issues are something that Oliver North never understood; he made the vast majority of responsible, ethical American military officers nauseated when he made his famous statements to Congress, about what he would do by order of the Commander in Chief. He just didn't "get it."
It is the legal, moral responsibility of every military professional to refuse any illegal, immoral order, even given by those designated by authority as superiors. "I was only following orders" is no longer ANY excuse, by Law, and by moral custom
-- Spindoctor (email@example.com), May 11, 1999.
The idea that America (or any country) values individuality as the highest ideal is a myth. Perhaps in simpler times it was true, but no modern industrial society can really afford a population of unpredictables. This is not surprising - the long history of our cult's persecution by the Conspiracy goes back for generations untold, and indeed there are signs of their hoary repression of prehuman SubGenii dating from before "man's" appearance on Earth. All of civilization's painful and misguided climb up from the primeval slime, and its subsequent loss of Slack and of any class at all, has been indelibly marked, nay, entirely motivated, by the aeons-bridging conflict between the Conspiracy's mindlessly chickenshit Witless Principals and the Jehovah-spawned, grandiose depravity of the superior yet ethnically all-encompassing race of latent SubGeniuses. (You should know this - you were/will be there in the Beforelife!) The fact that only in recent years has "our kind" begun to recognize our own sovereignty demonstrates both how vicious have been Their efforts at further denying us Slack and yet how near is our race to TRIUMPH. All this is ULTIMATE PROOF that Jehovah 1 has not only promoted the SubGenius as His Special Tool, but has simultaneously pulled the strings which make Them endarken Themselves with their hereditary ignorancy and us with their cubistic witch-hunt superstitions. His "reason" for this two-faced obedience-school programming, this fissioning of history into binary "war equations," unfortunately, or, perhaps, thankfully, remains a total mystery. no slopeheads alone could build, the miracles of the Old Testament, all these and more are events so inextricably interwoven with the invisible background war between Jehovah and the Xists that all the "Ancient Astronaut" fossils in the world furnish only the barest of clues. (The movie rights ALONE to these gut-splitting tales of reincarnancient history are worth millions!) Yea, it has even been suggested that the Carpenter of Nazareth himself, God Jr., Jesus 'What, Me Worry?' Christ, was in actuality a 'space detective' of the Xists, walking the Earth in human form with the mission of extricating us from the Monster God's grip. The black shadow of the Conspiracy, unfortunately, has seen to it that even His teachings were diluted and distorted until human attempts to follow them were fully as misguided as the carving of the heads of Easter Island or the 'runways' of Nazca. And so the true destiny of the SubGenius has been kept secret from Man. For Jehovah 1 is to the Xists and Us what a hungry fisherman is to a prize fish and his favorite pet worm - the last in the can. How many million other races were used before us in these ghastly galactic water-sports?
JEHOVAH 1 MANIPULATES US FOR HIS OWN SINISTER ENDS.
-- Rev.Ivan Stang (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 13, 1999.