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http://www.webpal.org/Beach2.htmBeach must think everyone is gullable~~
His "essay" is so full of holes a mouse would starve if it were swiss cheese.
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Knowledgeable programmers wanted to use a 4 digit year field and in 1967 and again in 1970
2. A gigabyte of RAM at that time cost over 3 million dollars as compared to less than $5 today.
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A GIG??? of RAM??? in 1970??? Can you say core memory (if you were working for someone big) and THAT was pushing it. Come on all of you old programmers on this list... Just how much memory did those old drum memories hold? Are you going to just sit there and let him make a fool out of you and everyone else who reads his garbage?
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More of what he writes and expect people to believe...
2. The Frautschi Bug is the Century Bug in Embedded Processors
In early 1998 Dr. Mark Frautschi published a theoretical speculation
http://www.tmn.com/~frautsch/y2k2.html
that an even greater problem with the Century Bug would be found in embedded processors which are used, for example, in all sorts of industrial machine and control applications.
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Now does this Beach person REALLY expect anyone to believe that Mark Frautschi "discovered" embedded chips and systems in 1998 and that it is NAMED after him?
Umm..Ask Ed Yourdon about this one and he will tell you that this guy is full of it. As a matter of fact I think most of the peiople who post here, even if they feel they do not know enough about Y2K to know what will happen for sure, knows more than this Beach guy. He wrote a load of caca, argued about it on this board, and suddenly those here who admit they do not have the background but were willing to listen to him have been "quoted" from this board and are in his latest "paper".
Come on Sysman... Don't you feel even a little bit .. USED? Everyone here is pretty good at going after people they do not agree with. Why don't you give him what he deserves? I think this is one thing that every one, get it's, don't get it's, got it's, had it's and want it's *grin* can all agree on for once. This man does NOT know what he is talking about.
-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), May 09, 1999
and you do?
-- knock (off@the.troll), May 09, 1999.
Hi Cherri,How is your Polly article for Cory Hamasaki's Weather Report coming along?
Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 09, 1999.
WOW!I gotta tell you, two responses that anyone can be proud of! I will admit to a certain kinship with Chuck, in that there are times when I am embarrassed to be called a GI. Guilty by association with some idiots.
And yes, "Knock" she does know what she is talking about. Even if I don't agree with all of her conclusions about what is waiting for us down the road.
-- Mr Deedah (used2B@unkeeD.B4civility), May 09, 1999.
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 26244751&P=Yes&TPP=25&TL=926218317Like being pregnant...it is only a matter of time....... Sunday, 09-May-1999 06:12:31
207.227.232.28 writes:
*SCREAM* These MORONS are giving me a headache!
Cherri
Poor old Cherri-Pie-in-the-Sky. Sorry we're not up to the level of your friends back at Der Boonkah. Why do you bother trying to teach us morons ANYthing?
-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 09, 1999.
Mr. Deedah commented:"And yes, "Knock" she does know what she is talking about. Even if I don't agree with all of her conclusions about what is waiting for us down the road. "
Mr. Deedah, Cherri COMMITED to write an article for Cory Hammasaki's Weather Report in this thread:
Do things folks say MATTER any more? Since you believe she knows what she is talking about maybe YOU could convince her to folllow through on her COMMITTMENT.
Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 09, 1999.
In the late 1960s, the larger models of the IBM System/360, i.e. model 65 and model 75, could have up to one megabyte of RAM. (There were a small number of models 91, but I don't recall details thereof). The RAM for the models 65 and 75 came in units of 256K, in the form of CORE (literally tiny iron donut shaped magnetic memory bits), in boxes of roughly 2 feet wide, five feet long, and six feet high, which included the actual core plus the addressing circuitry. I seem to recall prices close to one million dollars per box. In any case, a gigabyte would consist of 4096 of these boxes!Sometime in the early seventies, the IBM System/370 was introduced, and it included non core RAM (I forget whether it was called solid state, or integrated circuit, or what), but it was still limited to a few megabytes per system, nowhere near a gigabyte per system.
Yes, folks, Mr. Beach is very confused. I am not familiar with Cherri's other posts, but her points in the above post are pertinent. Just because Beach writes like a GI does not mean other GIs should take him seriously.
Jerry
-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), May 09, 1999.
More generally, it would seem prudent to be more concerned with the accuracy of information, than with whether the author is a GI or a DGI, a "doomer" or a "polly".Jerry
-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), May 09, 1999.
Beach does not have a clue about hardware. I have said enough about him vs his clocks in other posts on this forum, if anyone wants them I will post the links (don't have them handy right now). Anyone who believes Beach about hardware is exhibiting a rather unquestioning attitude towards Y2K bad news, and probably needs therapy. Some of you will claim that is an insult, but I am serious - Beach has been so throughly debunked that accepting his nonsense is evidence of some sort of mental disturbance. And Beach himself must have some real problems - living underground in buried school busses in Canada - this guy has some sort of mental disorder.For heavens sake, if you were afraid of the end, why not Costa Rica? Beautiful beaches, tropical climate, called the Switzerland of Central America due to the stability of its govt. Been a very long time since they were involved in a war or such. Makes much more sense than burying school busses (what happens when the roofs rust through?). Probably cheaper too. Beach-Nut.
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), May 09, 1999.
When I attend a lecture, seminar etc, and accompanied by my wife, I am appalled by her lack of attention to the substamce of the event, but her acute recall od the appearance , clothing, and demeanor of the speaker.I suspect that is what is at hand here many times on this forum. (i.e.) Bruce beach, Hamasaki and others. details in flawed agument are hailed as an undermining to the entire argument, rather than the isolated idea. I weigh a PHD's argument heavier than a casual opserver(no matter how flowerey thier comments). However, a huge amount of wisdom comes from the common sense of the common man, untainted by higher learning and prejudice.
I suggest more study on the embedded chip problem, and not pass judgement to hastily
Bob P
-- Bob P (rpilc99206@aol.com), May 09, 1999.
Jerry B. .....if this statement is true:"I seem to recall prices close to one million dollars per box. In any case, a gigabyte would consist of 4096 of these boxes!"
.....then is Beach confused because he underesimated the value of the MEMORY or was not accurate? The first part of this thread said Bruce Beach was confused because he overvalued the MEMORY. Were you being sarcastic about Bruce beaches credibility or what were you trying to say? May I simply ask: Do you thong Bruce Beach has any credibility?
Sincerely, Feller
-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), May 09, 1999.
Interesting, as the ammount quoted MIGHT, just barely come close to paying for suficient spindles (or boxes if you will) to be able to mount about half a gig of hard disk at the time. And only in the 2314 pizza oven version.chuck
-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), May 09, 1999.
First To Outings r, the morons of whom I spoke were Beach, Frautschi, Paula Gordon, and others who, with absolutly no background what-so-ever have decided they are "experts" and write inaccurate statements, *essays*, and "white papers" and act as if they *know* everything. Now if you considered the shoe fit when I said morons, please feel fre e to wear it. Nice to see you read the other boards.Decond Ray, you are like an impatient child. Believe it or not but the entire world does not revolve around you. What you want and when you want it is important to you only. Trying to "shame" me or bully me or whine to me to write it before I have all of the information ready, AND to expect me to take the time to do it NOW at the expence of "real life" commitments will not make me do it any faster than I am now doing it. I swear you remind me an 8 year old who is bored and expects others to stop and entertain him.
-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), May 09, 1999.
I think he means megabyte, which did cost about 3 mil on the old 360.
-- Wiseguy (got@it.gov), May 09, 1999.
Cherri commented:"AND to expect me to take the time to do it NOW at the expence of "real life" commitments will not make me do it any faster than I am now doing it."
Hey Cherri you MADE the COMMITTMENT on April 7, 1999 over a month ago. I think if we added ALL the time up that you have spent on this forum since then it would be more than sufficient to have completed the task. Maybe you want to wait a few more months to get a CLEARER PICTURE!! Poor Cory he is still waiting for some POLLY to tell their story. Where oh where is that POLLY!!
Your Pal, Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 09, 1999.
Ray,We have asked, and she has committed to an article defining the point of view. I certainly HOPE she is getting all of her ducks in a row, and giving some thought to the article. I'm EXTREMELY interested in the justification for the position.
SOME people have this ingrained need to be extremely careful about what goes out over their signature, and tend to apply forethought as well as rereading and rewriting things many times. I've tried it. Rarely (as has been shown recently), and find it to be an overrated technique. Then again, I don't make a living doing technical writing, and I'm not trying to hold up my end of a debate that will include rocks, flame balls, brick-bats, etc before it is done.
Patience, me lad, patience. I expect that in the fullness of time the young lady will do a creditable job of trying to hold up a difficult position. I expect to be edified. Not convinced, mind you, but at least edified.
Chuck
PS YOU are starting to sound like a broken record. Some people still understand the meaning of committing.
OOOOPS! Record, one of those things made out of plastic, with grooves and uses a needle to ride the grooves and reproduce sound. When this disk develops a crack, the sounds are sometimes repeated. I sometimes forget the average age hereabouts.
PPS Some of them, unlike you and I, have lives away from the net.
-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), May 09, 1999.
knock,I know Cherri, and yes, she DOES know what she's talking about. :)
Beach Blanket Bonkers might be a better name for the "Beach Bug."
Beach is apparently unaware that Frautschi's work has been strongly questioned by people who "know what they're talking about," too.
-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), May 09, 1999.
Chuck commented:"We have asked, and she has committed to an article defining the point of view. I certainly HOPE she is getting all of her ducks in a row, and giving some thought to the article. I'm EXTREMELY interested in the justification for the position. "
Chuck, dream on, it's been a month during which Cherri has spent a considerable omount of time on this Forum attempting to debase many contributors.
I hope I sound like a broken record because that is what I intend to continue to sound like. I believe that if myself and a few others here did not pursue this we would NEVER have the article.
Ray
-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 09, 1999.
Cherri is a fool. She sees one little part of the computer world, extrapolates it to the rest, and then assumes she is an expert on all aspects of digital technology.And FYI, there are systems where I work that still use the 1 meg drum memory. And because of its antiquatedness, replacements still costs about half a million dollars.
-- a (a@a.a), May 09, 1999.
Cherri....I am not familiar with your background of expertise. Would you be so kind as to state what experience you have that counters others? Just a bystander here that needs more of a clue.Sincerely, Feller
-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), May 09, 1999.
Perhaps he wrote gigabyte when he meant megabyte. I don't think he is the only one who makes mistakes like this. That's why newspapers and book publishers have editors, but many mistakes still get through.Look at the main points he is making and the supporting articles and documentation. I don't think he cited the Coast Guard report, but it also made reference to the hidden clock problem.
What about all of the experienced people who agree with him? What he says should at least be given serious consideration.
-- Dave (dannco@hotmail.com), May 09, 1999.
Experienced in what? That is the problem. Most of his people have no experience in fields relevant to what he is talking about.
-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), May 09, 1999.