from c.s.y2k today:

I've received *two* offers to write the Polly perspective of Y2K using a technical basis. Unfortunately, in corresponding with one of the prospective authors, I mentioned a few concerns and he replied that he might be converting to the -whoooo-woooosh- dark side of the force.

The other author hangs out in Ed "malasadas" Yourdon's Time Bomb 2000 forum and seems to have vanished. Hopefully they're busy researching and writing the Polly piece.

I'm pretty tired of the Polly wishful thinking that all's well. Friend of a Net-friend stories that some nameless utility ran a successful but undefined test does not trump 300 consultants starting on a Y2K project in April 1999 for the DeeCee city government.

As long as we're speculating, how many other DeeCee-like clueless corporations are there? Where are the signs of the hundreds of thousands of remediation projects?

I know where one major effort took place. I've been in their multi-million dollar test center in Herndon/Reston Virginia, watched their STK SILO and IBM tape robot autoloading data. If you stand at one end of their 'work room', the far wall vanishes in the distance.

And of course, DeeCee just celebrated the 8th anniversary of the Mt. Pleasant riots, so maybe our prespective is a little different from those of you in the boonies of "happy valley".

cory hamasaki

-- a (a@a.a), May 07, 1999

Answers

Cory,

"malasadas"? Does that mean "he who eats too many donuts"? or "he who huddles in cave in New Mexico mountains"?

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), May 07, 1999.

Cherri, Oh Cherri, where for art thou?

We await the Polly essay you promised weeks ago!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 07, 1999.

Ray:

Wherefore (one word) means why. It doesn't mean where, except as used by the Little Rascals.

I also would like Cherri to give birth to this piece. But some things can't be hurried, I guess.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), May 07, 1999.

'But some things can't be hurried, I guess.'

Like remediation? testing? compliance?

-- Shelia (Shelia@active-stream.com), May 07, 1999.

Flint, many thanks for your assistance here. I may have trouble with my written english occasionally (always loved math) but I try not to have a problem with getting my POINT across.

By the way, I think your a decent human being, just a little confused when it comes to y2k.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), May 07, 1999.

No Ray, he's just having fun, balancing the act here.

-- Art (artw@lancnews.infi.net), May 07, 1999.

uh, Ray...that's you're. :)

-- a (a@a.a), May 07, 1999.

BOSS,

MALASADAS - Mala, meaning bad, improper, incorrect. Sadas, meaning a device strapped to the back of a horse, english equivalent saddle. Thus Malasadas is an incorrectly rigged saddle. A term often used by Spanish locals to refer to someone who doesn't know how to properly saddle his horse. Only takes a few quick lessons to get it right. Nothing really to be too concerned about. :-)

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), May 07, 1999.

According to Cory "My gut has its own area code Hamasaki", Its a donut made from potato flour. Sounds like a reference to Ed's waist.

-- a (a@a.a), May 07, 1999.

Flint,

"Romeo, oh Romeo! Wherefore art thou, Romeo?"

I guess Shakespeare had it wrong too.

-- Elbow Grease (Elbow_Grease@AutoShop.com), May 07, 1999.

Gordon, you just referred to Ed Yourdon as Boss. What is going on here in this forum? Is everyone here being paid to talk G.I. talk from book proceeds? I only get suspicious when people f up. Hehehehehe

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), May 07, 1999.

--a,

I have checked my Ancient Spanish historical/colloquial translation codes. You can find it referenced in the tourist guide titled "How to get by in New Mexico on $5 a day." Anyway, it appears you could be correct about the translation of Malasadas. Actually, there are 3 possible meanings listed, dependent on the inflection as well as the facial expression and hand movements used when this is said. This happens in many languages, as you know. For instance, we sometimes say someone is gross, and usually know exactly what we mean, but someone else may wonder if we are referring to their behaviour or their weight. You know what I mean. Anyway, after the first two possible meanings of Malasadas, the one I gave, and the one you gave, there is a 3rd possible. However, modesty and respect for the sensitivity of our forum members prevents me from repeating it. And of course I can't imagine that Cory was thinking along that line, inasmuch as we know he holds the Boss in the highest respect. Right? So, Boss, if you hear this word used around you out in NM, simply ask "Senior, (senioritas never say these things) were you speaking about my saddle or a potato donut?" After their initial surprise that you actually know about this term, you will gain mucho face with them.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), May 07, 1999.

http://www.chrbook.com/Christian/Books/Offshoot/hewittinterview.html

-- jjj kkk (b@c.d), May 07, 1999.

Feller,

What kind of a name is Feller? Is that the name they gave you in the foster home where you were raised? Too bad you never had the experience of knowing who your real parents were and getting a sense of balance and community. The term Boss is simply an acknowledgement of leadership and respect. All communities have a few people who are looked up to as a result of their contributions and involvement. It saddens me that you don't understand this simple human concept. It would have helped you so much in the coming tough times, but it takes years to develop these cultural mores and what with less than 8 months to go there just isn't time for you to remediate yourself. I suggest that you work real hard on some serious contingency plans though, and with any luck and by the grace of God, you will survive. Bless you, in spite of your aberrant ways.

-- Gordon (gpconnolly@aol.com), May 07, 1999.

you'll also notice no pollyanna input on the thread koskinen gets closer to doomer,it's chilling what koskenin says OUTSIDE of the US,but pollyannas only want to flame.oh,well,we know what's up....

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), May 08, 1999.

zoobie, look at what they say about it over on Der Boonkah.

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&TL=9239 31166

Cory Hamasaki in search of "Expert Polly" (Doomslayer) (07-Apr-1999 11:52:08)

Re: Cory Hamasaki in search of "Expert Polly" (Stephen M. Poole, CET) (07-Apr-1999 12:34:16

Re: Re: Cory Hamasaki in search of "Expert Polly" (No Spam Please) (07-Apr-1999 14:40:03)

Re: Re: Re: Cory Hamasaki in search of "Expert Polly" (Stephen M. Poole, CET) (07-Apr-1999 15:26:19)

Re: extent of wrongth about embedded systems (No Spam Please) (07-Apr-1999 17:07:24)

About time the DC Coder asked for help...he sure ain't no expert. n/t (n/t) (humble caretaker) (07-Apr-1999

14:17:07) Cory's not an expert? What are your qualifications for denying his expertise on mainframes? (No Spam Please) (07-Apr-1999 14:43:56)

If he's such an expert, how come Kiyo, Inc. is for OS/2? (Doomslayer) (07-Apr-1999 15:20:03)

THAT is an easy one! (Paul Davis) (08-Apr-1999 12:50:59)

BTW, I have the mainframe and database experience, but I'm not a Polly. (No Spam Please) (07-Apr-1999 15:01:04)

Clarification on database experience (No Spam Please) (07-Apr-1999 15:04:25)

Now you begin to see what I meant on Yourdon's board (Paul Davis) (08-Apr-1999 14:18:55)

Cory stacks the deck (Dirt Road) (07-Apr-1999 16:35:12)

So, ask the ones you know if they'd write a short article! (No Spam Please) (07-Apr-1999 17:16:55)

Re: So, ask the ones you know if they'd write a short article! (Mutha Nachu) (07-Apr-1999 18:56:14)

So how do we make this fair? (No Spam Please) (08-Apr-1999 02:00:57)

Weel - yes to both - but (Paul Davis) (08-Apr-1999 12:58:00)

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 08, 1999.

I am still here and Yes, I am still working on it. I do not wish to write something that does not have facts to back it up, or misconceptions on my part. I have a number of areas, which are each getting put together as I can do it. Viola! I did find my paperwork from the "Sperry Univac" archatecture school I went to why working at Boeing 20 years ago and it will hopefully be a big help in eplaining some things. If Cory wishes I can throw in a few ideas to be debated while I'm working on the main piece. It takes time to do things correctly, anyone can do a half assed job in a hurry. (gee that was a hint in itself) More on the "baby" as nutering brings it to maturity.

Cherri

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), May 08, 1999.

Outings,

I've told you before: when you quote these things, be sure to give the link for Debunker and the link for Biffy so that people can read this stuff and learn something. :)

-- Stephen M. Poole, CET (smpoole7@bellsouth.net), May 08, 1999.

Elbow Grease,

"Wherefore art thou Romeo"

The following lines are: (From memory, so they may not be exact)

"Deny thy father, and refuse thy name,

If thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,

And I will no longer be a Capulet."

In other words, because of the feud between the two families that kept them apart, Juliet was wondering WHY he had to be born a Montague. (sp?)

Regards,

-- Mr Deedah (used2B@unkeeD.B4civility), May 08, 1999.

*evil grin* was that a freudian slip on my part?

"More on the "baby" as nutering brings it to maturity."

I did not mean I entended I to neuter Cori, I meant I was nurturing my my "paper"

(or did I?)

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), May 08, 1999.

Stephen

I think OUTINGS is implying that the people over here are too stupid to know where Debunkers and BFI are - even though the links have been published a dozen times at least. Or maybe he thinks they are so lazy they will never click through and find out what was written. I don't understand it myself - it is a bit of a nuisance to read just the name of the post and poster. Even more annoying when the poster will not give a name or even an actual email address - at least a half dozen sites give free email boxes just for filling out a form - I have at least one or two I have never used.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), May 09, 1999.

Sayn't Paul sez == "I think OUTINGS is implying that the people over here are too stupid to know where Debunkers and BFI are. . ."

And now for a Sayn't Paul clip from the Sludge File at Der Boonkah.

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb237006&MyNum=9 25412413&P=Yes&TL=925259363

Debunking Y2k webboard

Re: Re: NOPE Thursday, 29-Apr-1999 15:00:13

155.76.111.181 writes:

I hope CPR is right, I stick with it because I hate to see people swindled.

I think we are just about to drown in meaningless posts, because the schools are letting out. Every kid in the country has heard about Y2K and will hit the Web looking for info over the summer. Half will wind up with Gary, the other half at Yourdons board. Kids being mostly naturally cynical, they will figure they have hit the nutcase motherlode. And they will troll the dickens out of them, and us, the ones that find us over here, I meant.

Paul Davis

The "NUTCASE MOTHERLODE"?

-- OutingsR (us@here.yar), May 09, 1999.

Paul, this quote from Arlin to Decker concerning the Biffy site goes for you as well:

Stop and think for a minute, decker - doesn't it tell you anything that you are hanging out on a board populated by overweight adolescent males with personality problems? They aren't even adults. Doesnt' that tell you anything about their judgement? Those are the people you are interacting with as peers.

-- a (a@a.a), May 09, 1999.

Thank you, Mr. Deedah, for the insight. Serves me right for firing from the hip. (You know, *Mister* Deedah sounds so much better.)

My apologies to Mr. Flint.

-- Elbow Grease (Elbow_Grease@AutoShop.com), May 09, 1999.