The supply chain in food or oil can be broken down at anyone of a dozen points along the line to where it gets to it's final destination. It will not all be fixed in time if ever. The loss of both food and oil in our economy will result in the creation of anarcy and social-economic collapse. Throw in the confusion from loss of power,railroads,banking, water distibution, and telecommunications and you must face the fact that we are toast. IF ANY ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS FAIL THAN THAT'S IT-GAME OVER!! You can bet that at least one, if not all of these fail utterly. Make your preperations with this in mind-can you be self-sufficient for two or more years? If so how will you keep what you have from those who are not?

-- abandon all hope (no@optimism.com), April 27, 1999

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Im not sure if this post is even serious or not, but I will treat it as if it was.

So if following the logic of this post, any problems ever(and emphasize ever) take place, then we are all doomed. Sorry to bust your bubble here, but problems take place every single day, 24 hours a day. And I went out to dinner tonight, and had a good meal.

Nothing will ever work perfectly, Y2K or not.

-- Pat (BAMECW@aol.com), April 27, 1999.

...doomer troll...

-- Y2K pro (2@641.com), April 27, 1999.

Doomed is a realitve sense, yes we will all die some day...

We have bombed Yugoslavia, stopped all transport, stopped command and control (read computers, telephones, TV) and yet people live with some amount of civilizaton in the land that is being bombed back into the stone age.....

I think the comment here is man is a survivor...

If there is a way to live, man will survive, we are not "ALL DOOMED" but many will pay the ultimate price...

-- helium (heliumavid@yahoo.com), April 27, 1999.

As a closet doomer ( haven't applied for my Doombrood (tm) card yet but..) I hate it when the point of view is tarred with this brush. SOME of the points are correct, as far as where the vulnerability is, and the fact that only one of the senior systems (Iron triangle, etc) needs to fail for the game to be over. HOWEVER, the failure that is required is catastrophic, and SYSTEMWIDE, in the particular senior system.

The above assumption is that NOT ONLY will the food chain and the oil chain be broken, but ALL of the legs (all 4) of the iron triangle and a few other needed systems will be broken. I can't accept this based on the data at hand. I can accept that there is some vulnerability, and that there is a non-zero probability of the failures occurring (- 2 sp) but I cannot accept that this non-zero probability approaches 80 or 90 percent, which is the premise voiced here. Get a GRIP, MAN! Go see that the sun still shines!!

Chuck

-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), April 27, 1999.

I'd recommend digging in the dirt.

Amazing how better I feel after a late afternoon -- hurry up its gettin' dark -- jaunt to the garden

-- Jim the Window Washer (Rational@man.com), April 27, 1999.

If you worked in the garden and it didn't take 5 minutes with the nail brush to clean your fingernails, you need to go back because you didn't work long enough.

Chuck

-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), April 27, 1999.

no@optimism.com says it all. A doomer passing through.

-- carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), April 28, 1999.

Increase your Prozac,and chill.

-- sue (deco100@aol.com), April 28, 1999.

I tell ya,

We all need to move to western Kentucky! They have plenty of caves to crawl into.

Ya'll have at it. I'll ride out what troubles there are, here in my city abode. Shotgun up on the closet shelf, as it has been for the past 9 years. No big deal. Never been used, except for target practice...and will bet anyone $10,000 that it won't be used as a result of Y2k. Any takers?

(heck, us non-Doomers might as well try to make some money off the fear...the Doomers sure are doing it)

-- Chicken Little (panic@forthebirds.net), April 28, 1999.

Enough will be fixed in time to keep us limping along. IMHO, it's going to be a mess, but we are not ALL doomed.

-- SCOTTY (BLehman202@aol.com), April 28, 1999.

Probably won't be used, I agree. Have you ever cleaned it, oiled it? Do you have any ammunition for it? Have you ever shot it? Know how to? Maybe it's better off on the shelf.

-- sue (deco100@aol.com), April 28, 1999.

Ok...if your doomed...would you let me know where all your stuff is so I may disperse it for others who have a little more backbone?

sincerely, Feller

-- Feller (Feller@wanna.help), April 29, 1999.

Only 100 short years ago people lived without cars, TVs, oil, phones, and all of this modern day garbage. You're only DOOMED if you actually depend on all of that kind of crap! Get a real life - boycott corporations, boycott automobiles, boycott banks, and watch it all disappear. Now THAT is a life I could live with.

-- @ (@@@.@), April 29, 1999.

As a fellow doomer I must take exception,the world is not doomed,it's the end of the world "AS WE KNOW IT".It's a matter of personal responsibility/preparation,it's up to YOU to decide your personal fate.I do agree that our superficial,plastic wrapped,p.c. saccarine,sterile,corporate-plutocracy is doomed,maybe for the best.

-- zoobie (zoob@aol.com), April 29, 1999.