LIE: NATO had to attack Serbian targets because President Slobodan Milosevic would not negotiate on Kosovo.

TRUTH: When "peace talks" were held in France in February 1999, Madeleine Albright, the US Secretary of State, admitted that there had been no offer of no "negotiations". Instead there was an ultimatum that the Serbs would agree to the following: 1) Kosovo should be granted autonomy; 2) 30,000 NATO troops should be stationed in Kosovo to police this autonomy; 3) NATO should organise a referendum to vote on "independence" for Kosovo. The Serbs agreed to the first demand, but rejected two and three as a gross violation of their sovereignty.

LIE: NATO is bombing the Serbs (and the Montenegrins, Albanians, Hungarians, Romanis, and others who live there) because of their concern about "ethnic cleansing" and human suffering.

TRUTH: The NATO countries, not least the United Kingdom, United States, and Germany, played a major role in arming the groups which forced the break up of the former Yugoslavia. These same NATO powers have been responsible for a limitless stream of ethnic genocide across the world - take the US support for Pol Pot in Cambodia alone. And where were these self-styled warriors for freedom when the horrors of East Timor and elsewhere were unfolding before our eyes? Today and every day sanctions and war kill an estimated 300 Iraqis, half of them children under five. The truth is that NATO is simply a killing machine, killing people of all nationalities. NATO has been forced to admit to "accidents" when their bombs have provably killed civilians, but the true scale of this is suppressed. As in Iraq, thousands of civilians, including Albanians in Kosovo, have been killed by NATO bombing.

LIE: The NATO bombing has to be increased and continued over many months to destroy the Serbian military.

TRUTH: This claim should be treated with the same contempt as those which built the Iraqi "Republican Guard" into an awesome fighting force in the public mind, thanks to the mind doctors in the Pentagon and the media. The "Republican Guard" were a comparative rabble who were never going to be a match for the NATO onslaught, just as events proved. But are the media going to tell you the truth when, for instance, NBC, the US television network, is controlled by General Electric, which is providing the engines for NATO jets? Let us just think about this for a moment. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has just 10 million people, barely the population of London. Against this nation is aimed the might of 19 countries, among them some of the biggest military powers on the planet, which have a combined population of more than half a billion. And it is going to take months and months of nightly "precision" bombing to destroy their military potential? Oh, do come on. As with Iraq, the targets are not purely military and when at some time the true story of these NATO bombing is revealed, the public which today supports these horrors, will be stunned on what was really happening and how they allowed themselves to be scammed so comprehensively.

LIE: NATO had to attack Serbian targets because President Slobodan Milosevic would not negotiate on Kosovo.

TRUTH: When "peace talks" were held in France in February 1999, Madeleine Albright, the US Secretary of State, admitted that there had been no offer of no "negotiations". Instead there was an ultimatum that the Serbs would agree to the following: 1) Kosovo should be granted autonomy; 2) 30,000 NATO troops should be stationed in Kosovo to police this autonomy; 3) NATO should organise a referendum to vote on "independence" for Kosovo. The Serbs agreed to the first demand, but rejected two and three as a gross violation of their sovereignty.

LIE: NATO is bombing the Serbs (and the Montenegrins, Albanians, Hungarians, Romanis, and others who live there) because of their concern about "ethnic cleansing" and human suffering.

TRUTH: The NATO countries, not least the United Kingdom, United States, and Germany, played a major role in arming the groups which forced the break up of the former Yugoslavia. These same NATO powers have been responsible for a limitless stream of ethnic genocide across the world - take the US support for Pol Pot in Cambodia alone. And where were these self-styled warriors for freedom when the horrors of East Timor and elsewhere were unfolding before our eyes? Today and every day sanctions and war kill an estimated 300 Iraqis, half of them children under five. The truth is that NATO is simply a killing machine, killing people of all nationalities. NATO has been forced to admit to "accidents" when their bombs have provably killed civilians, but the true scale of this is suppressed. As in Iraq, thousands of civilians, including Albanians in Kosovo, have been killed by NATO bombing.

LIE: The NATO bombing has to be increased and continued over many months to destroy the Serbian military.

TRUTH: This claim should be treated with the same contempt as those which built the Iraqi "Republican Guard" into an awesome fighting force in the public mind, thanks to the mind doctors in the Pentagon and the media. The "Republican Guard" were a comparative rabble who were never going to be a match for the NATO onslaught, just as events proved. But are the media going to tell you the truth when, for instance, NBC, the US television network, is controlled by General Electric, which is providing the engines for NATO jets? Let us just think about this for a moment. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has just 10 million people, barely the population of London. Against this nation is aimed the might of 19 countries, among them some of the biggest military powers on the planet, which have a combined population of more than half a billion. And it is going to take months and months of nightly "precision" bombing to destroy their military potential? Oh, do come on. As with Iraq, the targets are not purely military and when at some time the true story of these NATO bombing is revealed, the public which today supports these horrors, will be stunned on what was really happening and how they allowed themselves to be scammed so comprehensively.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 23, 1999

Answers

On December 19, 1994, writer Warren Hough claimed that Henry Kissinger was accused by French President Mitterand of being the "master manipulator" of the Yugoslav conflict. The allegation is said to have been made at a meeting of the European Security Conference in Budapest, Hungary. According to Warren Hough:

"As part of their war plans, the Serb leaders spent millions of dollars on contracts and payoffs in the United States. Wall Street sources say that most of these short-lived deals were apparently set up to make money for Kissingers consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, the founding director of which was Lord Carrington, a "peace" negotiator in the former Yugoslavia. Money was also made for two of Kissinger's cronies, Lawrence Eagleberger and Brent Scowcroft. A review of bank records in New York City revealed that as early as 1992 Eagleberger (former US Secretary of State) and Scowcroft (White House national security advisor for George Bush) concealed a compromising 'cash nexus' to the Serbs while they were supposedly formulating "impartial US positions" toward the warring ethnic factions of the former Yugoslavia."

It is a point of interest that an advisor to Serb leader Radovan Karadzic has been Sir Alfred Sherman, who has operated from an apartment next door to Karadzic's office. According to published research, Sherman is known as the "inventor of Margaret Thatcher", and he was at the forefront of the manuvering that led to her election. The Serbs were funded by the Elite via Belgrade banks involving in massive drug money laundering. It is also amazing how many "foundations" were set up in the former Yugoslavia by financial speculator George Soros. He has set up these fronts in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Belgrade. Soros is a close friend of Lawrence Eagleberger at Kissinger Associates, the former US ambassador to Belgrade and a close ally of Slobodon Milosevic. According to writer and researcher Ben Vidgen, writing in Nexus magazine in February 1996, America, Germany and Israel were running a secret airlift of arms to Croatia and Bosnia from the start of the conflict.

French journalists revealed in 1994 that CIA agents were luring Bosnian Muslims into reckless and hopeless counter-attacks against the Serbs on false promises of US support - a fact backed up by George Kenney, an American official in charge of Yugoslav affairs at the US State Department until he quit in disgust on August 14, 1992. Warren Hough states that while the Muslims were set up, the Kissinger network was playing the "good guy-bad guy" game, which manipulators use so often. It involved the two Serb leaders, Milosevic and Karadzic. According to Hough:

"Under this scenario, Milosevic, the client of Kissinger Associates, publicly repudiated and condemned the illegal onslaught of Karadzic's troops against Bosnian Muslims. But covertly the Milosevic government furnished the "renegade" forces of Karadzic with all the weapons and support they needed to wage an implacable " war of extermination" against their Muslim neighbors. Muslin resupply was, of course, blocked by the UN arms embargo."

The research also claims that Saudi Arabia, itself a fascist tyranny, was being set up by this plan. According to some sources, King Fahd was repeatedly assured that the US planned to lift the arms embargo in time to allow weapons to reach the Muslims. As a result, the King convinced other Islamic leaders to have faith in Washington. Now, the Saudi monarchy is renounced as a traitor to Islam which, of course, suits the manipulators well. In the light of all this, there are some interesting connections between the "peace negotiators" in Bosnia. Lord Carrington (Royal Institute of International Affairs, Bilderberger, Trilateral Commission, Comm 300), Lord Owen (Bilderberger, Trilaterial Commission) and Sweden's Carl Bildt (Bilderberger) followed each other as official "peace negotiators" for the European Union in the former Yugoslavia. Cyrus Vance (CFR,TC,Bil,Comm300) was the UN "peace negotiator", while at the same time a director of Manufacturers Hanover Trust. When Vance resigned, the UN appointed Norway's Thorvald Stoltenberg (TC,Bil). And, when the understandably failed to "achieve peace", Jimmy Carter (TC) flies to Bosnia as an "independent negotiator".

Later came Richard Holbrooke (TC,CFR,Bil), the peace envoy of Bill Clinton (CFR,TC,Bil) and the US ambassador to Yugoslavia was Warren Zimmerman (TC,CFR) to reported to Warren Christopher (TC,CFR). Remember the horrific genocide in Rwanda? Who arrived in Rwanda just days before it broke out on an undisclosed "diplomatic mission"? Lord Carrington and Henry Kissinger. Can pigs fly?

So, the contrived "Bosnian Conflict" has led to the creation of the biggest multinational force assembled since World War II, made possible by deliberately-caused human suffering. The main front man for this NATO world army was Bill Clinton (CFR,TC,Bil), the "yes man" for David Rockefeller and the Elite.

On December 6, 1995 we saw a full-page advertisement in the (CIA- controlled) Washington Post placed by an organization calling itself the "Committee for American Leadership in Bosnia", signed by Zbigniew Brzezinski (CFR,TC founder,Bil), Congressman Stephen Solarz (CFR), George Soros (Bil), Michael Armacost (CFR and President of the Elite Brookings Institute) and Leslie Gelb (TC, president of CFR). We have one-party states within a one-party world under a one-party army. How many more have to suffer before the politcal stooges stop being duped? How many more tragedies before the human race takes control of its own destiny?

What is true of Bosnia is also true of the conflict in Kosovo, stage two in the Balkans NATO-Illuminati agenda. Again we have the grotesque site of Madeleine Albright, the US Secretary of State and High Priestess of American politics, making speeches about "peace" and "freedom" when she is responsible for implementing policies of genocide. This is the same Madeleine Albright who is involved in Project Monarch and other mind control programmes in which endless numbers of children are tortured and traumatised beyond the imagination. To her, the horrors of Kosovo are meaningless, except as a means to achieve the goal of those she slavishly serves. Look at the other major puppets in the Kosovo massacre, Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. Both are knowing players in the game of global control on behalf of their puppet masters. Both are worthy successors to the stream of deeply corrupt mass murderers who have occupied the White House and Downing Street. They know that those who implement the abuse of ethnic Albanians are controlled by the same people who enforce the NATO bombing in response to this "ethnic cleansing". As the Millennium approaches, the creation of global chaos will be increased at every turn and there is every chance that what we are seeing in Kosovo today will escalate into a much wider conflict. Watch for the involvement of China in future hostilities also as NATO emerges as the global police force.

We need to stop looking to politicians for answers and start organizing ourselves in our own communities to build local economies and organizations which can operate outside this manipulation. A good statement of intent, in my view, would be a mass-boycott of all state and national elections. To vote under present circumstances is to give credence to a system that is designed to control us and not to set us free. By refusing to vote and have any part in it, we can show how we feel. We can say to the manipulators: " We know what you are doing and the game is up. We will no longer be manipulated into supporting and maintaining the one-party state and a one-party world."

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 23, 1999.

Lie: Andy has half a brain.

Truth: The shit to brain ratio in Andy's head is similar to percentages in the fractional reserve banking system. A single digit % of brain.

-- Xi Leng (Sushi@ori.com), April 23, 1999.

Of course I could be fibbing, uh, spinning - OK _ downright lyeing to you.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 23, 1999.

Xi leng,

we all have half a brain.

the problem is (for you and your ilk), mine are connected.

so are yours - but you don't know it.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 23, 1999.

check out the CHOMSKY post furthur down for his RATIONAL take on Kosovo and why we're there. Chomsky is one of the world's most respected intelectuals(N.Y.TIMES)

-- zoobie (zoob@aol.com), April 23, 1999.

Andy: welcome to the strange world of Syncronicity. No one man can fathom just how convoluted reality is, and no group on Earth is powerful enough to control it absolutely. It's just the way it is guy, don't lose all your marbles over it.

-- a (a@a.a), April 23, 1999.

a,

that's the best thing you've ever said.

7 months time - I'll be here - with a definitive analysis(:)) )

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 23, 1999.

Andy could be right on target; try not to let your own preconceived notions get in the way. Try to remember the names and events; and stay tuned. You cannot have long term, organized, large scale killing w/o financial, and manufactured support.

-- KoFE (Your@town.USA), April 23, 1999.

and what happens when Y2K comes rolling around, huh? See!

-- huhhy (huh@huh.net), April 23, 1999.

"No one man can fathom just how convoluted reality is,"

True, unless you happen to be involved in creating reality

"and no group on Earth is powerful enough to control it absolutely."

Wrong. The Illuminati have been controlling our reality to a large extent for decades, are getting ever closer to controlling it absolutely, and someday will. They don't just wake up one day and say "we will take control of reality now." They have been slowly but surely plugging away at it for many generations, and they have been staying with a very consistent game plan. Through the pyramid structure, only very few at the top know the absolute goal (it is primarily kept within the same families!), and those below can be directed in the direction they desire without knowing the plan (i.e. Clinton). No one will deter them from this course because most people don't even see the overall strategy. Clinton is a perfect example of an effective puppet for the New World Order. He has the power to move great military power, but enough vulnerabilities that most people are distracted by media concentration on his vulnerabilities. So, when we get into a mess like Kosovo, people just blame Clinton, instead of seeing the the underlying motivations of the NWO elite.

-- @ (@@@.@), April 23, 1999.

The elites, adepts--they work for Satan, no? They seek wealth and power, but their master seeks the destruction of the human race. Even the Rockefellers and Soros' don't quite get it: they, too, are pawns in this conflict between Principalities and Powers, this ancient Luciferic rebellion against He Who Am. Might seem overwhelming now, but relax: in the end Jesus wins.

-- Spidey (in@jam.com), April 24, 1999.

jesus was really a buddhist

-- buddhatroll (buddhadhamma@sangha.net), April 24, 1999.

Andy>A good statement of intent, in my view, would be a mass-boycott of all state and national elections. To vote under present circumstances is to give credence to a system that is designed to control us and not to set us free. By refusing to vote and have any part in it, we can show how we feel.

Folks, this is a keeper.

Andy wants us not to vote. He wants us not to have any say in choosing our elected officials.

Yes, I know he excluded local elections, but why does he want us to think that local communities can stand against the "Illuminati" "game of global control" without our participation in state and national government? Where is Andy's explanation of how to "build local economies and organizations which can operate outside this manipulation", when the "manipulation" is global? Space colonies? Andy>We can say to the manipulators: "We know what you are doing and the game is up. We will no longer be manipulated into supporting and maintaining the one-party state and a one-party world." Okay. Andy, we know what you are doing and the game is up. We will not be manipulated into abandoning the form of government that protects us from having folks like you in power.

-- No Spam Please (No_Spam_Please@anon_ymous.com), April 24, 1999.

(Now watch Andy declare that a direct response to what he posted on a thread he started is "off-topic", thus admitting that what he posted is off-topic.)

-- No Spam Please (No_Spam_Please@anon_ymous.com), April 24, 1999.

... and this thread is off-topic.

-- No Spam Please (No_Spam_Please@anon_ymous.com), April 24, 1999.

Andy, have you read "Votescam, the Stealing Of America," by James and Kenneth Collier? What we need to do is go back to paper ballots, or maybe police the programmers of the election computers!

-- Betty Alice (Barn266@aol.com), April 24, 1999.