---I only post here occassionaly, I tend to range around the net and just research and lurk mostly. With that said, I know several folks here remember me from posting quite a bit on gnorths boards for quite awhile, now just a few boards and my site. Now, I'll rehash some of my "predictions" I made as early as late 97-early 98--the closer we got to big dates and rollover time, the more "real" info would leak out, and the more the media would spin it....
that I thought that y2k was seen as a way for the heavy hitters in the western banking world to pull off just a tremendous coup-the worlds biggest ripoff-the transfer of wealth and power--we can call this the NWO crowd, sort of. Not planned, but recognized a long time ago as a tremendous opportunity for "them".
--I remember saying watch out for a big diversion-a war- that would transfer a lot of our military folks overseas, right around summer of this year
--that there were factions of Patriotic .mil folk continually at odds with those who would institute martial law/slavery--more of the NWO stuff. A lot would quit(I'm talking very upper ranks), and the ones that stayed just love the concept of that power coming their way.
--that the "loyalists" that stayed would be sent overseas, and that the "goons" would be left here.
--that there would be, in advance of any "major" y2k problems, excuses for disarming the US populace, and creating an external "threat" to make the transition to martial law more acceptable to the vast majority of dgi's. To accomplish this, I predicted some more mass shootings-so we would have to "protect the children", and then after that, a contrived domestic "terrorist" attack, using biologicals or chemicals, to create a wonderful diversion and excuse for martial law.
--in addition, I said look for increasing "demonization" of GI's and preparers and honest and patriotic gun owners.
--so, most of that seems to have happened and is happening now, in about the correct time frame. What's next is the domestic terrorist attack-pick a bad guy, it doesn't matter, but that's what I'm predicting next. The king and his globalist buddies are about to pull off a huge ripoff--it's happening. Comments?

-- zog (zog@avana.net), April 21, 1999

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Well, DUH. THe thing I like about this Zog guy is that he KNOWS. I thought I was the only one. Get hip. Semper Fidelis, R

-- Richard,USMC (Richard,USMC@Leatherneck.com), April 21, 1999.

zog,

What is the url to your web site? Thanks bunches!

-- (cannot-say@this.time), April 21, 1999.

Uh, Zog, you and me both...

This article was written in the Autumn of 1997, David Icke - quite pertinent now...

"So often the debate over gun laws degenerates into this black and white confrontation. Fixed position v. fixed position. No shades of grey. No common ground. No communication.

And what does this mean? It means divid and rule, the classic method throughout human history of the few controlling the many.

It is time to start talking to each other and to end the abuse - on both sides. It is not one group or another who will lose their freedom to the global dictatorship if we fail to unite. It is all of us, Christian, Jew, Arab, Democrat, Republican, environmentalist, New Age, Old Age, pro-gun and anti-gun.

When freedom goes, it means the freedom of everyone. Not just the freedom of people we don't agree with. I think we need to conduct the campaign over guns in this light and from this perspective. It is not as simple as guns are bad, so ban them, and people who want guns must be violent, so ignore them.

It seems to me that we have become ensnared and diverted into the wrong debate. The argument has focused on guns. Are they good or bad? Should people be allowed to own them or should they be banned?

I can understand the views of both sides, but it is the wrong debate at the wrong time. Surely what we all need to focus on is...what is the motivation of those who wish to take guns out of circulation now?

If we get sucked into the guns are good or bad debate, the real reason behind current events will be lost. This is precisely what the Elite wish to happen, indeed are trying to make happen.

Firstly, it is quite obvious as I travel and speak in many countries that the attempt to disarm the population is a global phenomenon. In the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, the United States, and so on, I find the same scenario of problem - reaction - solution.

Someone goes crazy with a gun and many people are killed or maimed. There is a media-political outcry over guns in that country, and the outraged and manipulated public demand what they are conditioned to demand - the banning of guns in society.

In the UK we have had the horrors of Hungerford and Dunblane; in Australia there was the Port Arthur massacre; and similar incidents have happened in New Zealand and, of course, many times in the United States.

The reaction is the same every time: Ban guns.

Making guns against the law will not stop violent people from getting hold of them. The world is awash with organisations (mostly government supported) which supply weapons illegally to entire countries, never mind individuals. The gun used in Port Arthur was one that had been previously handed over to the police by its owner! So how did the killer get hold of it?

What's more, the victims of such tragedies are manipulated to support the game plan. What a grotesque sight it is to see the families of dead childre, going through their unspeakable and unimaginable grief, being used to front the anti-gun campaings of those responsible for orchestrating the very horrors in the first place. It is also interesting to note that again and again the gunmen involved have the classic traits of a mind-controlled robot, be it Thomas Hamilton in Dunblane or Martin Bryant in Port Arthur. Programming someone to do this, given the scale and sophistication of Elite mind-control projects, is very easy.

Another thing the ban-guns-lobby miss, is that while the pressure increases to take guns away from the public, the police and "security" services are armed tooan ever greater extent all over the world. Britain once prided itself on its unarmed police force, but no longer.

Does anyone really believe it is a conincidence that at the same time the public is being disarmed, those who control the public are getting access to greater and more powerful weaponry? Come on, let's wake up here.

Quite clearly it is all being co-ordinated to some common global goal, and as the evidence is overwhelming that (a) we are looking at a plan for total global control, and (b) that some sort of military coup against the "dissidents" is part of that plan, it is pretty obvious what the game is.

Coups against unarmed populations are rather more straightforward than coups against people with weapons to defend themselves.

And before anyone accuses me of supporting violence and being "pro- gun," let me be absolutely honest about my own position. I would not pull a trigger to save my life. I would rather die standing up for peace than live by adding to the violence. But many people would use guns to defend themselves and those behind the New World Order know that. Hence the attempts to disarm them.

I am not pro-gun, but I am pro-freedom. And if those who support the disarming of the population get caught in the narrow debate and miss the big picture and context in whch it is happening, they and their children will live to deeply regret this lack of vision and foresight.

In the same way, it is vital that those campaigning to keep guns in circulation understand that the overwhelming majority of those who oppose them are genuine, decent, people who simply wish to live in a violence-free world. Both sides need to understand each other. It's time to talk.

As I explain in my books, the world is controlled by a pyramid structure. The few at the top manipulate, divide and misinform those below them. If the base of the pyramid unites, the peak is in serious trouble because the peak is only at the tope because the base is holding it up there.

This is why dividing and therefore ruling the population has always been fundamental to human control in every socierty, era and culture.

It is time for all of us to unite behind the one value we all agree on. The right to be free. The question of gun control is a good place to start.

Let us stop talking to ourselves and start talking to those who disagree with us. Only then will be the base of understanding expand into all areas of society.

No matter what you think, where you come from, what you have done, or what colour your pigmentation, your freedom, or what is left of it, is being threatened by a highly imbalanced and cynical Elite who wish to turn Planet Earth into a global prison cell.

They can only do that if we are divided among ourselves and if we ignore what is happening around us. Never in known human history has it been more obvious that we need to unite behind what we agree on instead of being divided by focussing on what we do not.

We are in this together. And we will get out of it together - or not at all."

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 21, 1999.

Damn, Hi ZOG so nice to hear You :) :)

-- Bobbie (Bobbie@earthlink.net), April 21, 1999.

Well Andy and Zog, in the spirit of mind control, let's note that both the Arkansas school killers and the Colorado killers had just returned from serving juvenile detention sentences. A long period of separation from friends and family, in the care of gov.org and their minions.

-- Clem (clem@sat.net), April 21, 1999.

Zogster,

Good to hear from you. I remember your post, think I may have responded then.

The domestic terrorist attack? Care to lay money on something happening in DC during the big NATO 50th anniversary shindig this Friday (4-23-99)? Bad guy of choice? Well let's see...

Milosovich and his minions could be a handy choice. It would whip up public support for sending ground forces if say, one of the Smithsonian buildings in DC was bombed. Hey, they sent out letters to Russian Orthodox churches in US Serb communities saying "strike at US military facilities", you'll recall. I'm sure Bubba wouldn't be at all deeply upset (except on TV) if the Pentagon was hit, either.

Handy whipping boy terrorist of choice number two could be Osama bin Ladin. Things have been quite with him for a few months now. Certainly he could be ressurrected as a threat to US citizens for "a good cause".

There are always the home-grown, right-wing, religious wacko Christian, conservative, gun owning, Y2K-preparing, domestic terrorists. I'll bet they're mostly middle-class white guys, too. Worst of all, they might be Republicans.

Any other guesses?

No matter what, being near DC *IS NOT* a very high priority on my list of places to be this Friday. And I think I'll be checking six quiet often between now and the end of the year.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), April 21, 1999.

Pick a limited subset of your firearms, fit them into several containers with the requisite feed and clips, and go gardening somewhere, under someone else's wood shed, a store sign, a field 9prefer a pasture than a "fallow" field as they will be dug up by a plow in a fallow field. Remove ALL trace of the existence of this SUBSET of your guns, make sure you are on the video tape of a nearby gun show (or 4), and be SURE you have NOTHING that might indicate that you own whatever you have planted. When they come, you have these here, that's all. Oh, the others, well I sold some at the gunshows the last few months. To whom? One of the private, non- comercial collectors. Which to which? Can't really recall.

PRACTICE THE LINES!! And don't go to the cache until it's time to hit the road, or the road has come to hit you.

Chuck

Who has some gardening to do, with more than one type of crop.

-- chuck, a Night Driver (rienzoo@en.com), April 21, 1999.

Well, in my opinion, the attack would *have* to be pinned on a domestic terrorist. It would need to be bomb, gun, or chemical. Biological and nuke is not believable for a domestic terrorist organization.

Next, when the feds decide to "secure" the terrorist's headquarters, there needs to be a horrific gun-battle with lots of poor agents getting killed and hurt.

THEN, the trumpet will sound, and the gun round-ups will begin. But it needs to be a domestic, simple technology attack, and gun-battle to "arrest" the perpetrators.

Jolly isn't paranoid, and why are you looking at me?

-- Jollyprez (jolly@prez.com), April 21, 1999.

Zog. I'm in the company of logical greatness on this thread. Prophetic...no?

Well, if we can see this coming, what contingencies do you think the men in black will have to counter us?

My guess is bio-weapons that make us sick to the point of zip- resistance to the captivity about to unfold.

That by the way is AFTER about a 1/3 of us are wiped out, and 1/3 are succumbing to famine and pestilence.

What a country...huh?

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), April 22, 1999.

Ummm....I don't know how many of you know this but ZOG is a neo-nazi term to describe the current American Govt.

ZOG = "Zionist Occupied Government"

Are you a neo-nazi Zog?

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 22, 1999.

~Sigh~ When I came to the forums a mere 7 or 8 months ago, the main question was which gun to buy.Then it progressed to how many and much (ammo). Now, it's progressed to how many "gardens" do I need to plant? Getting to be more than a wee bit hairy and scary.

Nice to see you again Zog.Thought I recognized you from either Gary's or Frugal's.

-- y2klady (never@enough.ammo), April 22, 1999.

Are you a neo-nazi Zog?

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 22, 1999.

Why does one have to be a LEFT WING NEO-NAZI because he recognizes a situation.

TECH32, Are you a Khazar?

-- freeman (freeman@cali.com), April 22, 1999.

Freeman,

I asked because of his email address. Had he not used "Zog" I wouldn't have asked.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 22, 1999.

http://www.avana.net/~zog/index.html/bot1.htm

-- Z (Z@Z.COM), April 22, 1999.

---for any trolls who can't read, I always use my real nickname, zog, spelled lower case, and without any punctuation which would make it look like Z.O.G.. It comes from an old farside cartoon, a costume, a party, and it's conincidental. No, I'm not a neo-nazi, I'm a registered Libertarian, and I have never posted one single thing that I think would lead anyone to believe that I am. I'm prejudiced and bigoted against folks who would take others freedoms and safety. I believe in looking to the details, into judging folks how they act and from what they say, and maybe trolls should do the same and not invent imaginary scenarios before doing a little research, like read some of my posts for awhile, perhaps. All I do on the net is try to impart my views and reasons for them on political matters, as they would apply to survivalists, and to impart survivalist mindset data. My website url is here. Only rules are good netizen rules. Lots of good talk and info found there.

-- zog (zog@avana.net), April 23, 1999.

zog,

Glad to hear your not a neo-nazi. Your address concerned me. And for the record, I too am a Libertarian and I don't completely disagree with your posting (I think widespread confiscation would be impossible, but hey, what do I know...)

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 23, 1999.