Our maniac president Klinton has created a refuge crisis. Millions of Albanains fleeing vicious NWO bombing. Why is Klinton doing this?

God's answer: he wants to distract attention for NWO plans for y2k! By creating this "crisis" he gets more time to get FEMA up to gear, get ready to rule as dictator come 1/1/00!

Then we have the 9/99 problem coming up. Check this out - 999 is 666 upside down! See how all the pieces fit!

Christians: get your guns and your Bibles. We have to oppose the NWO/Y2K conspiracy! Read your Bible! THe Bible is the literal word of God, it means what it says and says what it means. The Bible says we must kill all those who oppose Jesus. This means anyone supporting the communist NWO!

Y2K is our chance to purify this country and bring it back to GOD. Lock and load!

-- Bill JOy (billj341@aol.com), April 18, 1999

Answers

it is really great to hear that all you smart christians are going to save my ass.

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), April 18, 1999.

Dave,

that was a troll, not a Christian...sounded a bit like one of the y2k kids, but it's hard to tell - their lack of original thought tends to blur them all together.

you know, I wonder if the y2k kiddies even know what the phrase 'lock and load' actually means.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 18, 1999.

Why is this board so dominated by Christian raving idiots? And all still living in the Dark Ages?

I hope Y2K cleans out the gene pool, I'm tired of the rantings of you fundamentalist weirdos.

-- Jeff Conner (jeffconner@atal.com), April 18, 1999.

I am a Christian. I follow Christian Identity.

Drop dead Arlin. You make fun of Christians. But God is not amused. A place in Hell awaits those who don't believe.

"Lock and Load" - your the friggen idiot who dont know anything. I bet you suck up to Klinton. Your day is coming.

Accept Jesus. It will be better for you!

-- Bill Joy (billj341@aol.com), April 18, 1999.

Bill Joy, you must be a different breed of Christian than I am. Jesus never preached killing others who didn't share your faith. I simply will never understand why people cannot accept that other people have differing viewpoints and-or religions. People like you are giving Christians a bad name, and if you think the road to heaven is paved in blood you are sadly mistaken.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), April 18, 1999.

Oh puhleeze - I am going to get ready to take over the world in the Balkans. Get a grip. You don't get ready for a military takeover by sending the army halfway around the world and shooting up all their ammo. AND YES - I got the bad pun in your initials. Just kills me how every knothead who talks about Clinton starts out saying "ITS NOT ABOUT SEX", and then talks about sex for the next hour. IF IT IS NOT ABOUT SEX, QUIT OBSESSING ABOUT THE SEX!

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), April 18, 1999.

Billy Joe, Please don't degrade my Lord like this. You may follow Christanity but you dont show Christ love. You say your a Christian but you sure dont sound like one. Please consider what you say. I am not a "goody two shoes" but I do try my best to be an exaple.

-- someone (who@cares.com), April 18, 1999.

this guy's a troll you guys - just stop feeding him...even the identity cultists on the board show more intelligence and common sense than this.

just calm down - even if this particular y2k kiddie is on the west coast he's got to go to bed soon, as he has to get up for school tomorrow morning...

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 18, 1999.

Read your Bible! THe Bible is the literal word of God, it means what it says and says what it means. The Bible says we must kill all those who oppose Jesus.

What a joke. No it doesn't. Why don't you try reading it? Afraid?

You shall not murder. - Exodus 20:13

The thief comes to steal kill and destroy I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. John 10:10

"Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34

If you were a Christian you would be acquainted with words such as; mercy, compassion, love & forgiveness. You would also know what God thinks of those who cause people to stumble (i.e. spiritually away from Him). It would be better to have never been born.....

I would rather face the justice and mercy of God any day, than your brand of perverted christianity. You bring a stain to the name of my Lord. I pray you find mercy.

I know you are a troll, and you are trying to cause division and strife. You are encouraging those who are prejudiced against Christians. I am telling you now, you are accountable for your actions.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, so also will he reap. Luke 6:7

-- Bible Thumper (lwhitlat@ix.netcom.com), April 19, 1999.

Whacha do is type a word and then insert two italics removers like this.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), April 19, 1999.

who started natp's campaign, Klinton or Blair, the latter now seems to be calling for the expulsiong of the Serbain president and the return of the land to whom it belongs (he has no idea who this is)

-- dick of the dale (rdale@coynet.com), April 19, 1999.

Bill Joy is a shill for the elites or at least a Guv. Hack.

Either that or he is SERIOUSLY delusional.

God has NO mention of Clinton in either Old or New testaments. There are NO remote cryptic references to him in Isaiah either.

666 is a system, not a man or a date.

Bob does not know his bible.

Or he's painting all reverers of Scripture as wacko nutcases that are dangerous deliberately.

Fits the pattern.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), April 19, 1999.

INVAR,

My bet's on his being a gov.org troll. This string makes three here in just two days; the all caps "everybody's going to die!" post, the drug use and this one. Plus, the same stuff has been showing up on other forums, too. Certainly a busy little gov.troll, it would seem.

Let's see. Last month's crew of provacature posters was Vinnie and the polly-tech boys. This month we get the "Y2K means let's take drugs" and the first "let's start a revolt" thread I've seen here.

Seems that the powers that be are having to try pretty hard to keep the lid on if they're putting these posts out onto the Y2K forums to try and smear the preparers this early into the year.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), April 19, 1999.

Yeah WW,

but do we hope the average American dolts recognize this sort of antagonistic goading?

All it would take is one wacko group with a cause, and righteous anger being goaded by a spook troll working for the GUV - AND WHAM!! INSTANT MARTIAL LAW. Or a multitude of Waco's. Take your pic.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), April 19, 1999.

Let me see if I've got this right. If a proclaimed Christian says all the same things that other Christians say, but it doesn't hit them exactly right, then he must be a troll. I don't get it. Why can't he be just another Christian.? Or maybe a Christian troll?

l. He hates Clinton, and you other Christians do too.

2. He believes in NWO, and you do too.

3. He suspects the motive behind the crisis, so do you. He also suspects FEMA. Don't most Christians, or is that just Andy and Invar?

4.He into 9/99 and 666 baloney, just like you.

5. He wants everyone to read the Bible, the literal word of GAWD! That's the Christian message. He wants to "purify this country and bring it back to God," and so do you.

6. Arlin he accused you of sucking up to Clinton, just like Invar accused me of having the hots for Clinton. So how come Invar's a Christian and Bill Joy isn't? What test did he fail? Others, besides me thought he was a Christian too.

So what's so different about Bill joy? He follows the conservative, Christian party line. Am I missing something? And what are Identity Christians? Is that a different type of religious fanatic?

Invar, what's the difference between his "antagonistic goading" and your "antagonistic goading?" How do I know you're not a spook for the "GUV?" If he's one of yours, why are you denying him as one of the faithful? Bible Thumper, why are you calling his brand of Christianity perverted?

To me he talked like a Christian, said all the right things like Christians so he must be a Christian. Enlighten me. Jeff I thought the same thing you did, so I can't be all wrong.

-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), April 20, 1999.

Hi Gilda,

if you can put down that attitude for a minute, maybe we can communicate here...actually there's almost no relationship of any kind between any of the Christians on this list and the troll who started this thread. Let me deal with the specific points you raised:

Gilda: l. He hates Clinton, and you other Christians do too.

er, Gilda are you claiming that everyone who doesn't like billy jeff is a Christian? if so, I have several conservative Jewish friends who might want to debate that point with you...for that matter try asking around some of the survivalist websites - try the wolfpack site for example...I would dearly love to hear what a conservative pagan like AlphaSheWolf would say when you accused her of being a Christian! truly I would.

Gilda: 2. He believes in NWO, and you do too. hmm, considering I'm one of the folks who is consistently debunking the 'U.N. invasion' rumors I'd have to say this doesn't apply to me either, nor does it have anything to do with being a Christian.

Gilda: 3. He suspects the motive behind the crisis, so do you. He Gilda: also suspects FEMA. Don't most Christians, or is that just Gilda: Andy and Invar?

some folks do suspect the motives behind the current crisis, but that's hardly the definition of a Christian, nor are most Christians who are preparing for y2k doing so because they are concerned about underlying conspiracies. Have you actually checked out any of the Christian y2k prep sites? Would you like the urls for some? Again, check the survivalist sites and you'll find that distrust of the current situation has virtually nothing to do with whether or not a person is a Christian.

Gilda: 4.He into 9/99 and 666 baloney, just like you.

just like who? Although 666 signifies the mark of the beast in Revelation, it has nothing to do with y2k or with the 'nines' problem we may run into this year. Again you are accusing me falsely

Gilda: 5. He wants everyone to read the Bible, the literal word of Gilda: GAWD! That's the Christian message.

no, PART our message is that the Bible is the inerrant written word of God. The most important part of our message, however is that salvation comes only through accepting Jesus Christ as one's personal Savior.

Gilda: He wants to "purify this country and bring it back to God," Gilda: and so do you.

No Gilda - he wants to pretend that he can use Scripture to justify killing those who disagree with him, when as was pointed out above, that is exactly the antithesis of Christianity.

Gilda : 6. Arlin he accused you of sucking up to Clinton, just like Gilda : Invar accused me of having the hots for Clinton. So how come Gilda : Invar's a Christian and Bill Joy isn't? What test did he Gilda : fail? Others, besides me thought he was a Christian too.

If you're asking how I know he's a troll and not a Christian - see my responses to all of the above. I don't doubt that there are others who hold the same perspective you do with regard to what they *think* Christians are about. None the less, as you can see no that's merely a matter of misconceptions on the part of the observer.

Gilda: So what's so different about Bill joy? He follows the Gilda: conservative, Christian party line. Am I missing something?

yes, you are missing a direct relationship between your prejudices and the reality of Christianity.

Gilda: And what are Identity Christians? Is that a different type of Gilda: religious fanatic?

Christian Identity (or as they call themselves in private: "Israel Identity") is a neonazi front organization and pseudoChristian cult based on and derived from an 19th century antisemetic / white supremacist British cult known as "British Israelism". Through a whole series of misinterpretations of the historical record, and not just a few outright lies, they attempt to claim that "aryans" (i.e. northern Europeans) are the actual Jews of the Bible and the that the real Jewish people are imposters. Their theology, if you can call it that is a combination of misinterpretted bits of the Christian Bible combined with elements of several pagan cults. They have strong ties with the 'national front', aryan nations, posse comitatus, the 'freeman' movement, and so on.

The reason that I commented that the troll who started this thread is NOT part of the identity movement is because I am personally aware of at least two identity cult members who post here from time to time - if you'd been paying attention last fall, I had a confrontation with one of them right here on TB2K. The thing with identity is that, while they exist in cell structures (small 'church' groups) they maintain a great deal of internal discipline and would not let someone like the troll who began this thread, discredit them in front of what they would perceive to be a possibly receptive audience.

There is in fact at least one person who continues to play the identity recruiting game on this board, and I challenge you to find out who he is. You can either go back through the archives and find my confrontation with him, or you can attempt to discern who it is by observing the ongoing actions of the TB2K community. In either case though, I'd suggest that you will need to lose your attitude - since it's consistently leading you in the wrong direction and THAT is no survival skill, as I'm sure you're aware.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 20, 1999.

Arlin, on many of my points, I was talking about Christians in general and not you in particular. Point #6 about "sucking up to Clinton," by Bill and "having the hots for Clinton," by Invar, was the only post I was referring to you in particular. I thought you kind of skipped over that answer, but that 's ok.

Concerning Christian Identity, that was very interesting. I didn't realize they were a whole different group. All we need is another "neonazi front organization." No I guess I missed those posts of yours and the "Identity" people you had a confrontation with. I only checked a few post then, as I was busier last fall. And I don't have a clue who these supposed cell Identity people are. What are the old posts under so I can check? What category?

And Arlin, you shouldn't be so quick to criticize my attitude, it took Christians several years to get it to this point. I think my survival skills will be OK, as I'm a realist and don't care much for myths, religious or otherwise, unless they are pure entertainment, of course.

I still can't see that much difference between what BJoy says, and Christians say. But apparently the Identity people wouldn't claim him.

Arlin, one more question; if Christianity is so superior, so wonderful, why can't Christians agree among themselves for more than 5 minutes about anything.

Back in ancient history (mine), when I went to church with my parents, the only time I wasn't bored was when the different factions of the church were fighting over doctrine, the new building, fundamentalists vs. more modern, card playing a sin or not, and every goofy thing you can imagine. Later, as an adult, I gave it another try, went to a different church, and it was just same, only the players and the conflicts had changed; ERA, the parking lot paving, the new preacher, shouldn't more emphasis be put on old Testament? I subscribe to the notion that the greatest evil always masquerades as the greatest good. That's religion.

-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), April 21, 1999.

Hi Gilda,

first off I ignored the comment associating me with the prez, since I figured you and any other regulars here would be as ROFL as I was at that one.

As to why Christians don't agree on everything - it's 'cause we're sinful human beings, that's why! :-) Being a Christian means being saved NOT being perfect...

Finally, I do need to point out that, believe it or not, I do have some limited idea of how you feel. You see I grew up as a preacher's kid in a family which became increasingly dysfunctional as I got older. It took them until I was 17 but, as you mentioned, a combination of boredom and ennui totally alienated me from Christianity...one needs only so many instances of the sole response to questions being the instructions to 'sit down and be quiet', before one decides to go looking elsewhere, no?

I did. In fact I went way w-a-y elsewhere for the better part of 20 years...until one day I met some folks who were Christians and who really acted like Christians. They answered my questions, not by making appologies, or citing some doctrinal something or the other, but by bearing witness to the very real experiences they'd had in their own lives. They didn't claim to be perfect - just saved. They didn't claim to know all the answers - just to know the Guy who does know all the answers. They didn't claim to be on a mission to take over the world - but rather to bring the Good News to the people of the world. Oh and they didn't claim that signs and wonders were something that only happened long ago - but right here and now. They demonstrated their message not with words but with the Power of God, in healing, in prophecy, and in all of the those things which God gives to His people.

Yeah. Really. No myths or legends. No special effects. No excuses. The Word of God in action right here, right now. I guess if anything I need to appologize to you for the sarcasm in my previous post, and simply to let you know that my desire would be for you to have an experience similar to my own...that's all...hope you don't mind too much if I pray for you.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 21, 1999.

Well pizza's great but there's lots of kinds of it 'cause nobody agrees on one. Sex is great but the same argument applies. In fact, NO group of people agree on stuff constantly, with the exception of groups that are formed specifically along _those_ lines of belief (and they probably disagree on plenty of others).

Every christian I know from this board who is worth claiming the title tends to be reasonable, kind, and their beliefs are part of their person in a way that makes a positive impression on me. I have been thinking a lot about God lately, perhaps due to the subject matter I've been studying, or perhaps due to finally feeling like "I'm waking up" from a long internal sleep. In any case I find their sanity refreshing and intriguing. I too have had less than thrilling experiences with evangelism. But I recognize that I cannot blame God for the messenger.

Then there are the 'trolls,' basically people who come off as totally insane. I actually have trouble believing that people could be so insipid, and usually think this bait is from anti-christians posting in what they think is "fun."

As for the post that began this, I truly thought it was negative sarcasm.

PJ in TX

-- PJ Gaenir (fire@firedocs.com), April 21, 1999.

Thanks Arlin.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), April 23, 1999.