Having completed most of my Y2K prep, I now fear all will be in vain unless I can avoid the coming WWIII unleashed by our liar-in-chief. Basically I would like to take my supplies and head up Canada way. I have 3 questions: 1) anybody have any idea how to protect a newer car's computer from the EMP of a nuclear burst? I may be on my way to my refuge only to have my car strand me in the middle of nowhere; 2) does anybody know where to get a map of the North Dakota missile fields? I would like to plot a bug out route that would get me out of the fields as fast as possible. Also, how about a map of Canadian military installations, don't want to drive from the pan to the fire; 3) Does anybody know where to get a fallout pattern map? I found one on the net but it was totally unrealistic for the state of ND as it only showed the state capital being nuked and the Minot airforce base being nuked when in reality we probably would be one gigantic crater from all the hits on the missile silos. Plan to get my bug out bags ready and packed. Hate glowing in the dark!

-- Steve A (albrecht@ndak.net), April 18, 1999

Answers

#2

http://members.aol.com/rafleet/hazmaps.htm

-- CT (ct@no.yr), April 18, 1999.

If I were you I wouldn't concern myself with Clinton and nuclear bombs but start thinking about whether you want to continue to support the corporate facism right in this country, helping the world army increase to proportions in which they will control every breath you take and every move you make. Clinton is as harmless as a fly yet many of you people waste so much of your time worrying about him that you don't see the destruction of freedom occurring right under your nose and throughout the world.

-- @ (@@@.@), April 18, 1999.

@,

Get a grip,,, if you see anything that looks like reality, grab it with both hands,,, it might be your last chance.

-- CT (ct@no.yr), April 18, 1999.

Steve, If you think taxes and prices are high here, take a look at Canada, eh? 13% sales tax! Federal taxes are worse then here! A pair of levi's about $65. Gas is out of sight! HAVE FUN!!!!

-- smitty (smitty@sandiego.com), April 18, 1999.

smitty,

TAXPAYER'S LAMENT

Tax his cow, Tax his goat; Tax his pants, Tax his coat; Tax his crop, Tax his work; Tax his ties, Tax his shirt; Tax his chew, Tax his smoke; Teach him taxing is no joke. Tax his tractor, Tax his mule; Tell him, Taxing is the rule. Tax his oil, Tax his gas, Tax his notes, Tax his cash; Tax him good and let him know, That after taxes, he has no dough. If he hollers, Tax him more; Tax him till he's good and sore. Tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax his sod in which he's laid. Put these words upon his tomb, "Taxes drove him to his doom." After he's gone, we won't relax. We'll still collect inheritance tax.

I. R. S. ,,, ( unknown )

-- CT (ct@no.yr), April 18, 1999.

Royal Canadian Mounties Termed 'Bankrupt' - Force Said 'Disintegrating'

By Terry Milewski

CBC TV 4-16-99

TORONTO - The Royal Canadian Mounted Police could be facing a desperate budget crunch.

Terry Smith, commanding officer of the Surrey, B.C. office, sent an angry email message to a colleague at the Vancouver headquarters. In the message, Smith wrote:

"Isn't is just about time we ... stated the obvious - WE ARE BANKRUPT - WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE EXPECTED OF US . . . the tools to accomplish the job are being taken away ... This short tirade is just the tip of the iceberg . . . we owe it to ourselves and our personnel to call a halt to this insanity . . . I am watching a force I love disintegrate/self-destruct before my eyes."

The budget crisis could lead to layoffs on the force. In Ottawa, a spokesman for the solicitor-general said, "the minister is aware of the financial pressures and is working on it ... hoping to find some longer-term solutions ... but has more to do."

Terry Smith says he did not expect his email to leak out. It does seem, however, as if his sentiments are shared by many rank-and-file RCMP officers.

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looks like you won't be hassled by the Mounties...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 18, 1999.

Canadian Family Incomes Falling - Worse Than 20 Years Ago

By Sandra Cordon

Canadian Press 4-16-99

OTTAWA (CP) -- Does it feel like you're working harder but just can't seem to get ahead? StatsCan says you may be right.

The average household is no wealthier than it was 20 years ago, according to figures released Wednesday by Statistics Canada. a Household incomes, on average, were $50,672 in 1997 before taxes were deducted or government benefits factored in, the agency said.

That's actually a few bucks less than 1978 levels of $50,707 -- even though there were far fewer dual-income families in the 1970s than today.

All the figures are adjusted to 1997 dollars, StatsCan said.

Families are working longer and harder, yet finding it increasingly difficult to get ahead, say economists and researchers who study family issues.

"In real terms, the standard of living of Canadians has fallen in the '90s, so we're now no better off than we were 20 years ago," labour economist Jim Stanford said from Halifax.

"That is an incredible condemnation of the way our economy is working, because our economy is far more productive than it was 20 years ago and more Canadians are working."

Poor families are becoming poorer as government programs, from welfare to employment insurance, are cut, the report suggested.

The number of children in low-income families jumped 37 per cent between 1989 and 1997, even though the number of kids in Canada grew only six per cent over the same period.

Even top income earners lost a bit of ground in 1997, possibly due to lower interest rates eroding investment and retirement income.

Governments should strengthen laws governing employment equity, union organizing and minimum wages to promote better pay for workers, said Stanford, economist with the Canadian Auto Workers Union.

Given the 1997 boom in the Canadian economy, it's especially strange that average family income actually slid a bit compared with the year before, said Andrew Sharpe of Ottawa's Centre for the Study of Living Standards.

"One would hope that with strong economic growth, one would reverse this trend (of flat family incomes) but the numbers are certainly surprising."

Gross domestic product jumped 3.8 per cent in 1997, compared with the more sedate pace of three per cent growth last year.

Yet, average household income after taxes and government aid totalled $57,146 in 1997 -- almost $400 less than 1996's $57,416.

The drop came despite the fact more Canadians were working in 1997, when employment jumped almost two per cent.

At the same time, average hours worked per week grew by 30 minutes to 37.9 hours in 1997.

And the number of two-income households has skyrocketed -- from 30 per cent of Canadian families 30 years ago, to 70 per cent today.

But many jobs created in recent years have been low-paying, either part-time work and self-employment, said Sharpe. At the same time, wages have been almost stagnant.

Part of the problem may be excessive expectations by individuals and the economy, suggested Robert Glossop of the Vanier Institute of the Family.

Consumer demand is essential to economic growth, driving about two- thirds of the Canada's GDP.

Yet, we can't afford to keep spending at the levels we became accustomed to in the post-First World War boom, he said.

"To suggest that we're greedy, yes, but we do live in an economy that manipulates our appetites as consumers."

"But if we do not continue to increase our appetites as consumers, then the whole economy starts to shake."

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Are u REALLY sure this is a good idea ? :)))

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 18, 1999.

CT, You're the one who doesn't see reality asswipe. You've got a lot more problems than taxes and you don't even know it. "You may be interested to know who paid for the importation of Nazis into American central intelligence, the military, and industry? Three groups: The first was "The Sovereign Military Order of Malta" (SMOM), perhaps the most powerful reactionary segment of European aristocracy, that for almost a thousand years, starting with the crusades in the Twelfth Century, funded military operations against countries and ideas considered a threat to its power; Second was the Nazi war chest that was largely funneled through the Vatican and the Rockefeller owned Chase Manhattan Bank, whose Paris branch conducted business as usual throughout the Nazi occupation of France, and thirdly, some of us and our parents--American taxpayers.

Moreover, during this period, the Council on Foreign Relations, along with the CIA, grew in power under the leadership of Nelson Rockefeller, and in 1955, while serving as President Eisenhower's assistant for international affairs, Rockefeller invited Kissinger to discuss national security issues at the Quantico (Virginia) Marine Base. Following their meeting, according to Walter Isaacson's biography of Kissinger, the diplomat became Rockefeller's closest intellectual associate, and soon after, Kissinger authored several military proposals for Eisenhower to consider. Unimpressed, Eisenhower turned them down.

As a result, Rockefeller sent Eisenhower his resignation and then launched a Special Studies Project that explored the critical choices America faced militarily in the coming years. Kissinger agreed to direct this new project and published a 468-page book on his findings. The treatise proposed that tactical nuclear weapons be developed and a bomb shelter [be built] in every house in preparation for limited thermonuclear war. The willingness to engage in nuclear war when necessary is part of the price of our freedom, Kissinger argued.

So those of you my age can recall the anxiety grade school students felt while drilling for possible nuclear attacks. You can thank Kissinger and the Rockefeller-led military- industrialists for this "price for freedom."

Eisenhower, you may remember, warned America that the gravest threat to world security, democracy, and even spirituality, was the growing military industrial complex. And the Rockefellers and Kissinger played leading roles in its evil expansion. Bent on creating what President Bush openly heralded as a "New World Order," few people realize the current international alignment of economic powers is a direct result of actualizing Henry Kissinger's contemporary manifesto--a tribute to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta--entitled "The Meaning of History." In this Kissinger 1955 Harvard doctoral thesis he argues that the concept of peace on earth is naive. Peace must be secured by the creation of small wars around the planet on a continuing basis so as to maintain an international order of economic powers, and of course, keep the military industrialists happy."

Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.

Kissinger-Rockefeller-AIDS. txt

-- @ (@@@.@), April 18, 1999.

@,

Asswipe?,,,Please let's be cival,,, would you like it if I called you a cum guzzleing scum bag? NO,,you wouldn't.

Would you like to show/name any country/group that could Do/enfource a NWO?,,, ( no " THEY " ),,,,who?,,WHO,,WHO,,WHO????

-- CT (ct@no.yr), April 18, 1999.

CT,

It doesn't matter which country, because they operate through many, and will soon own them all. The people engineering the New World Order are people like the Rothschild banking family, the Rockefellers, and psychopathic nazis like Henry Kissinger. They usually operate through the very highest levels of corporations, but are intentionally not highly visible within mainstream media, which they also control.

-- @ (@@@.@), April 18, 1999.

My God!!!,,,you're right!!!,,,your logic is perfect???,,,How could I have been so wrong???,,,I mean,,, Imean,,, I thought the Grays would win.

-- CT (ct@no.yr), April 18, 1999.

Y2k Fruit Loop of the Month Award:

In the second half of his presentation, Horowitz answered audience questions -- including how parents can remain exempt from so-called "mandatory" vaccinations.

" The Bible, he said, includes passages that tell its readers not to contaminate the blood or mix the seed. "

Old add: DENTIST: Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H. By Leonard G. Horowitz President, Tetrahedron Incorporated, a nonprofit educational corporation P. O. Box 402, Rockport, Massachusetts 01966 toll free 800-336-9266. OR:

DENTIST: Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H. P.O. Box 2033 Sandpoint, Idaho 83860 tetra@tetrahedron.org

http://www.tetrahedron.org (Mother Ship of this Dung Heap).

ftp.win.net/winnet/tetra/pub/WyomingVaccineAdgenda.txt

"Wyoming Vaccine Agenda Articles"

To: All Vaccine Awareness and Health Networks

Re: We're making great progress with political action efforts in Wyoming

Please pass these articles on to others in your networks.

>From the Casper (WY) Star-Tribune Monday, October 5, 1998, Page 1, Living Section

Author accuses government of genocidal agenda: Presentation on vaccines held in Gillette

By Eric R. Wright Star-Tribune staff writer

Gillette--The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective, according to author Dr. Len Horowitz.

That was the message more than 50 people heard Saturday during Horowitz's presentation at the Campbell County Public Library.

In his presentation, titled "Emerging Viruses and Vaccinations: Are The New Auto-Immune Diseases Putting You and Your Family At Risk?", Horowitz accused the federal government of spreading epidemics, including AIDS, through experimental and sometimes mandatory vaccinations.

"This is a genocidal agenda," Horowitz said of the Hepatitis-B and other vaccination programs.

Six children from the nearby town of Hulett are being home-schooled as a result of their parents' refusal to have them inoculated with the Hepatitis-B vaccine, according to Jonathan Saturen, publisher of the Crook County Sentinel and one of the parents who is boycotting the shots.

"I'm not a doctory," Saturen said. "He (Horowitz) is.

"He is validating our boycott. We want more people informed on this," Saturen said.

Horowitz, who holds a doctorate in dentistry and has training in internal medicine, began researching virus/vaccine-related health issues in 1990.

He began the slide show and lecture by referring to prophesies in the Bible, which he said foretold of a time when plagues will cover the world.

That time has come, he said, and "It's time for the truth to be revealed."

He then referred his listeners to government documents, reprinted in his book, "Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola--Nature, Accident, or Intentional?" that, he said, link several different epidemics in the United States and the world to military and civilian cancer and virus research directives-- begun as early as 1962.

He blamed these alleged man-made viruses, and the professional health-care community's lack of knowledge about them, on pharmaceutical companies, the government, the military and other world powers.

One research, Dr. Maurice Hilleman -- the 1997 recipient of the Sabin Gold Medal of Honor Award by President Clinton -- admitted on tape, according to Horowitz, that the AIDS virus was brought to North America in contaminated monkeys to be used in viral research.

Vaccines produced from those studies most plausibly initiated the AIDS epidemic in New York City's homosexual males, Horowitz added.

To further substantiate those claims, Horowitz turned again to government documents that he said proved the U.S. military administered an experimental AIDS vaccine to soldiers without their knowledge or consent in 1989-90.

Impurities in the vaccine caused what has become known as "The Gulf War Syndrome," he said.

In the second half of his presentation, Horowitz answered audience questions -- including how parents can remain exempt from so-called "mandatory" vaccinations.

The Bible, he said, includes passages that tell its readers not to contaminate the blood or mix the seed.

So, when asked by health-care providers "if your children have been vaccinated?," he said "tell them, thanks, they're all taken care of in that regard.

"If that doesn't work, you can lie. Or, do what I do, (and use) spiritual or religious exemption," he said.

In reaction to the state Department of Health's mandatory Hepatitis-B vaccinations, state Sen. Bill Barton, R-Upton, has introduced legislation that will allow parents to choose whether they want their children to receive the shots.

"I'm convinced that there should be a philosophical objection to these mandatory vaccinations," Barton said.

Saturen added, "We're just trying to save kids from needless misery."

-- No Cavities in my head (floridation@nocavities.org), April 18, 1999.

Canada is not a "sort of" state of the United States. They have even stricter gun control laws than in the U.S. You'd have to do a "Jackal" (old novel) to get your guns in. Their medical system sucks. Bad as the U.S. system is, people from Canada with the bucks come to U.S. for treatment. They are a socialist welfare state, spend, spend, more than they take in. For years, the Canadian dollar was on a par with the U.S. dollar. Then it slipped, and held in the 90-95 cent range for many years -- but lately (I don't know for how many years) -- it is at about 65 cents (Canadian dollar worth 65 cents U.S.) They are like third world countries and tax haven countries in that the banks there offer bank accounts denominated in U.S. dollars as well as Canadian dollars. (But, as far as privacy, just as bad or worse than U.S. -- big rigamorole to open an account -- "know your customer" crap there, too.)

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 18, 1999.

That being said, you should be where you're going to be before the nukes or biologicals start falling, so your path shouldn't make any difference. I figure November at the latest, and that could be too late.

Prevailing winds blow west to east. So farther west the better.
Keep in mind though, that Victoria and Vancouver, BC are likely targets. As well as Seattle and Bremerton (mothball Navy ships), Washington, As well as Spokane, Washington, in the east. Plus various dams in Washington and BC.

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 18, 1999.

Steve,

I want to make sure I get this right. You want to go someplace cold when Y2K hits. Why not go to Florida, mmmm, oh yea, it will probably be overrun with snowbirds that time of the year.

-- Watcher (anon@anon.com), April 18, 1999.

Steve, if you're worried about nukes, remember that most of the russian missiles haven't been maintained in several years. Poorly maintained missiles generally fall short. russian land based missiles generally would follow transpolar routes. If they fall short, then that big red maple leaf on the canadian flag may suddenly start glowing in the dark...now are you SURE you want to move there?

Andy - if that dentist is a friend of yours, do you think you could get him to calm down a mite?

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 18, 1999.

Steve, I understand your frustration. Many of us are starting to feel like inhabitants of the United States rather than citizens. The following website provides a lot of info on the growing expatriate community:

http://www.escapeartist.com/

(Can someone hot link this please?)

-- No No (nono@nogo.com), April 18, 1999.

In my original question about leaving the US for Canada, I neglected to mention that I live approximately 25-30 miles south of the Canadian border and would only think of bugging out on warning of a nuclear attack. I figure at 95-100 miles per hour in our car on a relatively straight shot to the border I should be able to get outside of the 20 mile radius of destruction of a really big nuke. I am worried about my car quitting from the EMP of the blast (which hopefully would be miles behind me) and leaving me stranded. So, I really have no plans to be in Canada as a citizen, more like a Kosovo refugee. So, does anybody out there have anything constructive in regards to my original question? Remember that the amount of profanity in your answer is in inverse proportion to your intelligence, all you flamers.

-- Steve A (albrecht@ndak.net), April 18, 1999.

uh, Steve, the only way to protect electronic components from EMP is to have them in a Farraday Cage, which would be a little difficult if they're running your car at the time...sorry.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 18, 1999.

arlin - old steve martin has been at the laughing gas again :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), April 18, 1999.

Steve, in all honesty if you live that far north the first warning of nuclear attack you will most likely recieve will be a really bright flash of light.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), April 18, 1999.

no, no, Nik - in northern Wisconsin in mid winter a really bright flash of light means that the local snowmobile club got lost on the way home from their bar run and are now trying to cross your north 40 in the vain hope of seeing something they recognize...

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), April 20, 1999.

ha ha, pretty good Arlin. I just have very little faith that the government is going to put a high priority on issuing a national death notice in the 20 minutes between launch detection and impact. Somehow I think they will be busy saving their own asses. If you stop and think about it they will take five or ten minutes confirming it is a real launch, another five or ten getting the emergemcy broadcast system message out, so that doesn't leave much reaction time even in a best case scenario. The most logical thing would be to say nothing at all and let the survivors of the first strike sort it out. They would probably figure more people would be killed in the mad dash to empty untargeted cities than lives would be saved with so little reaction time.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), April 20, 1999.