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Bizarre? - Chinese view Clinton as the new Hitler...

Chinese Media Target Clinton, NATO By Charles Hutzler

Associated Press Writer Wednesday, April 14, 1999; 1:12 p.m. EDT

BEIJING (AP) -- In the Chinese media, President Clinton is a Hitler-like figure leading a ruthless NATO. Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic is a hero. Kosovar refugees are the victims of NATO bombing, not Serb-driven ethnic purges.

Chinese leaders have loosed the state-run media to build support for their opposition to the NATO air attack on Yugoslavia. The result has been a demonization of the West rarely seen in Chinese propaganda in recent years.

The emotional pitch has surprised even the communist leadership that unleashed it -- and could backfire.

``Government policy is not as strong as society's reaction,'' said Yan Xuetong, a foreign policy expert at the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations.

The gap has been glaring during Premier Zhu Rongji's nine-day U.S. tour, which ended Wednesday. Chinese leaders condemned NATO for attacking a sovereign state without U.N. approval and their debate nearly caused Zhu to cancel his U.S. visit. But once in Washington, Yugoslavia barely crossed his lips.

State-run media, and there is no other kind in China, has shown no such reticence. The U.S.-led NATO bombing campaign, as the popular Beijing Evening News put it, is intended to dismember Yugoslavia, make Milosevic appear like a hardcore communist and provide a showcase for the weaponry of the 21st century.

People's Daily, the authoritative voice of the Communist Party, has run a series of critical front-page editorials. ``Might tramples human rights,'' was the headline of one that accused NATO of worse atrocities than the ``humanitarian disaster'' it was trying to stop.

Stories have ranged from the outlandish to the darkly conspiratorial. The Workers' Daily reported Wednesday that NATO raids benefited organized gangs of organ thieves preying on dead refugees. The weekly news edition of the tabloid-like Yangcheng Evening News ran a front-page composite photo of a grimacing Clinton with a Hitler mustache gripping a world in flames. Inside, an article hailed Milosevic as a ``people's hero.''

Behind the strident invective are orders from the Communist Party media censors, according to a media source who spoke on condition of anonymity. News media have been told to report the hardship NATO is wreaking on a defiant, united Yugoslav population, and there is to be no mention of NATO successes or the Belgrade-backed campaign to forcibly rid Kosovo of ethnic Albanians.

Chinese leaders hope the slanted coverage will unify Chinese public opinion against the bombing campaign, according to the source.

Chinese leaders fear the NATO airstrikes could set a precedent for attacking a sovereign state without U.N. approval. China has simmering ethnic rebellions of its own, in Tibet and the Muslim northwest, and also hopes to coax a reluctant Taiwan into reuniting with the mainland.

So far, the propaganda campaign appears to be working.

Hundreds of Chinese have written to the Yugoslav Embassy offering money or volunteering service. Polls published in newspapers show more than 70 percent of Chinese oppose the NATO airstrikes.

``They are attacking a sovereign country, and that's not right,'' a retired factory worker, surnamed Li, said as he strolled past a sign advertising movies about Yugoslavia's resistance to the Nazis in World War II. ``Our views are the same as our government's.''

But some reactions have gone ominously beyond the leaders' expectations. Outraged Chinese wrote Zhu, arguing that he should cancel his U.S. trip like Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov did. Students at Peking University have even discussed protests, a prospect that always frightens Chinese leaders.

``Most Chinese believe in peace. We don't like the bombing, but I'm sure they have their reasons. We just don't understand them,'' said Bu Jian, a sign painter.

) Copyright 1999 The Associated Press

-- Andy (, April 14, 1999



-- Chicken Bigg (, April 14, 1999.

Andy, yeah, things are just getting weirder and weirder. If you monitor the Straffor site, then you noticed the GIU describing how the Chinese Defense Minister abruptly cancelled out on a meeting in Moscow due to "emerging circumstances". Stratfor speculated that cancellation could be due to 1) internal affairs, 2) Taiwan's upcoming military exercises, 3) concern over the India/Pakastan missile situation.

It occurs to me that there may be a forth possibility: suppose that North Korea is ready to go south. Undoubtably the Chinese have good intel in N. Korea, and this certainly would be serious enough for the Defense Minister to cancel out on an important meeting. Also, Kim Jong Il surely views the new agressive US with alarm. From his viewpoint the West is intent upon taking out all petty dictators, and he figures that he is on the list. The US currently is preoccupied with Yugoslavia, and the Asian carrier battle group has been shuffled around. From their perspective, they never again will have an opportunity to pull off a successful invasion.

Hope I'm wrong on this.

-- No No (, April 14, 1999.

They're just jealous because it's us that's doing the ass-kicking and not them.

-- @ (@@@.@), April 14, 1999.

There were also reports today that China is pissed with him for speaking on their behalf concerning their WTO status. So which is it Andy - if he is in bed with them, why are they so ornery? Not much gratitude for a guy who allegedly just slipped them all our latest weapons secrets, if you ask me.

-- a (a@a.a), April 14, 1999.

No No,

word on the street is that the N. Koreans created a diversion off the coast of Japan a little while back and then infiltrated commandos on the opposite Japanese mainland - seems to me like they may be planning a strike on S. korea while Clinton is meddling in Yugoslavia.

IMHO this region is about to blow. "There were also reports today that China is pissed with him for speaking on their behalf concerning their WTO status. So which is it Andy - if he is in bed with them, why are they so ornery? Not much gratitude for a guy who allegedly just slipped them all our latest weapons secrets, if you ask me."

Good question a.

Ever heard of double/triple agents? Fact is, he DID slip them a bunch of technology. He IS meddling in Yugoslavia. He IS setting up a WW III situation - everything he does now, or has done, has been of benefit to communism, be it Red China or Ivan.

The Communists in the Dumas are now sweeping back in due to Clinton's antics. China and Russia are getting in bed together.

Watch this space.

-- Andy (, April 14, 1999.

Maybe one should analyze data based on truth....but all governments tend to demonize the opposition, and make them out as wicked. I wonder how the relatives of the 100's of thousands of Iraqians feel about the US, or how we felt when Japan bombed us in Pearl Harbor, or when we found how how wicked Hitler was. These governments are cooking up trouble again, and many will lose their lives, for what? We hope it is for the right reasons...that we pay with our lives...sadly.. for many, it was simply the flag they lived but don't we need God's Kingdom!!!

-- rick shade (, April 14, 1999.


I can believe that the Chinese are pissed at us. They always have been and always will be. But as far as Clinton handing over technology to them, that is just a load of Republican crap dumped on the media, and of course they hungrily devoured it.

-- @ (@@@.@), April 14, 1999.

Andy, in the hour or so since my above post I have been looking for more info. Seems that the US suspects that N. Korea is developing nukes in an underground base at Kimchung-ri, and the US wants to inspect the facility. After much wrangling, N. Korea agreed in March to let the US in, but delayed inspection until May. Everything which I have been able to find suggests that indead the N. Koreans ARE building nukes at Kimchung-ri. Then this begs the question, "If the North Koreans know that an inspection will show that they are in violation of recent nuclear agreements, then why would they acquiesce to an inspection?" Could it be that they know that TSHTF before May?

Damned! I'm starting to scare myself!

-- No No (, April 14, 1999.

@: Who knows? Illicit technology transfer was not invented by the Clinton administration. Russia tested an H-bomb within a month of us. They spit out a carbon copy of the Space Shuttle during the Reagan years.

I'm not condoning anyone. Just observing that this game is an old and tricky one.

-- a (a@a.a), April 14, 1999.

Korea has said they will let us into that site, however there is one they refuse to let us into. I think that's where the nukes are so don't get to worked up yet.

-- SCOTTY (, April 14, 1999.

I still dont understand UN weapons inspection policies. My policy: refuse access, facility will be rubble in 24 hours. What part of c-r-u-i-s-e-m-i-s-s-l-e did you not understand?

-- a (a@a.a), April 15, 1999.

@ -

NOT Republican crap dipshit.

Clinton SIGNED the waiver that ALLOWED Loral Space to sell the missle technology. Clinton approved the transfer by Executive Waiver. That 'aint hype dumbass- that's FACT.

Loral was also the largest single contributor to the Clinton/Gore '96 campaign. In return, after much lobbying, Loral got the waiver.

Couple that with the MIRV technology China STOLE in '88 - with what Clinton SOLD them in 1996 - and wala! China can lob 3-stage ICBM's with MIRV warheads at any American city.

They may have STOLEN the technology for MIRV's, but your king sold them the technology to hit us with them. Convenient.

But I forget, I'm impugning your holy relic of a king. You have Bubba Blinders on.

-- INVAR (, April 15, 1999.


Bubba's better than Bush or Reagan anyday. They allowed the Chinese to steal the MIRV and gave guns to the Iran Contras. At least Clinton was smart enough to SELL it to them. I'm sure he was assured by our Department of Defense that there is no way in hell the gooks could get anywhere near our airspace before we blow it out of the sky. Let them play with obsolete toys, we've got technology that is light years ahead of that. All of this crap about China and Russia being a threat to the U.S. is communist propoganda encouraged by Clinton haters - DUMBFUCK!!!

-- @ (@@@.@), April 15, 1999.

Maybe so INVAR, but your Republican buddy George Herbert Walker Bush initiated the missile technology program with China during his watch...

-- a (a@a.a), April 15, 1999.

Go and re-read your above post @.

You prove without a shadow of a doubt what a stupid, ignorant, zombie- ass dumbshit you are. Your post has NO logical thought progression whatsoever. I imagine you'd willingly hold your king's privates whilst he raped another intern and considered yourself blessed to be there.

They ALLOWED China to steal the M-88's????? You mean they knew they were gonna do it and let them????? Then it wouldn't be STEALING would it?

Clinton was at least smart enough to SELL our national security??????


What technology do we possess that is light years ahead of what the ChiComs stole? YOUR KING SLASHED THE DEFENSE BUDGET SINCE '93 --TO THE BONE!!!! THERE WERE NO NEW DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY!!!

Fuck your imbecillic adolescent self. You're as stupid as any sick chicken I've ever encountered.

Either that or you're James Carville.

Asshole any way you look at it.

-- INVAR (, April 15, 1999.


He did NO such thing. You are dead wrong, plain and simple.

The FIRST AUTHORIZED technology transfer was Supercomputers to China in 1994 BY CLINTON for supposed commercial applications. He did that under Senate protest.

Those same computers are now used for computing gyroscope data for ICBM's.

Bush NEVER initiated programs to diminish our national security to the Chineese.

-- INVAR (, April 15, 1999.

That's right a. --

Does the U.S. have spies in China? Of course not. Does the U.S. try to steal Chinese or Russian miltary secrets. No way.

Does North Korea have a nuclear weapons development program? They better not! Open those research labs for us to inspect or we'll economically devastate you. Does the U.S. have a nuclear weapons development program. Well...that's different. And cannot inspect our labs. Are you crazy?

Does the U.S. send spy ships to monitor North Korea? Of course not! The USS Pueblo was a U.S. Navy fishing boat that accidently strayed inside North Korean waters.

And what's with these crazy Russians? Why should they mobilize their navy and want to sail to the Mediterranean? They better stay away from there. The Med is owned by NATO... isn't it? This Yugoslavian thing is our battle and they better keep their noses out of it. It's none of their business.

And what's the deal with these Japanese? They know they can't have a military. They might start a war again. They can't be trusted like the Germans can... we can trust Germany not to start anotherwar. And the Germans look like us.

We made a deal. You pay for all our bases and people in Japan, we'll protect you and you don't build a military, OK? So we missed those North Korean ships and that missile test. No big deal. Just stop shipping all that steel weorderedfrom you.

-- PNG (, April 15, 1999.


"They ALLOWED China to steal the M-88's?????"

Sure you said so yourself asswipe:

"the MIRV technology China STOLE in '88" - I believe that was BUSH in office in 88 wasn't it?


What do you call the Mirael Laser jerkoff:

"The Army has spent more the $1 billion to develop the laser, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The U.S. laser burns chemicals and uses mirrors to focus a million-watt energy stream into an 8-foot-wide (2.4-metre-wide) beam that, acting like a blowtorch, can potentially disable satellites hundreds of miles away in seconds, the Times said."

Not to mention our EMP bombs and satellites which could instantly disable any attempt by China to launch anything. Go ahead and be paranoid dicklick, that's exactly what the commies want!

Kiss my nuts, Monkey Boy!!!!!

-- @ (@@@.@), April 15, 1999.

Just a little exercise about looking at things from a different perspective...

-- PNG (, April 15, 1999.

Andy,, look at what you started now, anybody reading will want to research these accusations for truth glimpses. Congress and an apothetic population just may be revealed. (Presidents, my ass!)

-- R. Wright (, April 15, 1999.

Steady on a old bean, you'll frighten the horses :)




Kiss my nuts, Monkey Boy!!!!!

Excellent use of anglo-saxon, 8 out of 10 (course I could do better...), although I am a little concerned at your general um, ahh, area of expertise as expressed above...

-- Andy (, April 15, 1999.

INVAR, you remind me of the little people that see the millions of dollars spent on foreign aid and become outraged that we're shipping cash to these losers (that would be the IMF's job). The foreign aid dollars are spent at American companies (in the lobbyist's home states) that take the money, extract profit, then ship overpriced widgets to Timbuktoo. See how it all works guy? More confusing than being put in a round room and being told to piss in the corner.

Like I said man, you don't appear to have the big picture just yet.

BTW...already argued the Bush/China issue with Mr. Cook last month....turns out it's a matter of what 'is' is.

-- a (a@a.a), April 15, 1999.

Hey Andy,

You forgot to mention the things that INGRATE called me! Since he was the one that originally started the name calling, I think you really should give him credit too for these tidbits:



stupid, ignorant, zombie- ass dumbshit

Fuck your imbecillic adolescent self.

You're as stupid as any sick chicken I've ever encountered.

Asshole any way you look at it.

That's pretty ingenious for a 12 year old, huh?


Why don't you get into a threesome buttfuck with Bush and Starr since you love them so much - I'm sure they'd enjoy it!!

-- @ (@@@.@), April 15, 1999.

OK OK already, 9 out of 10 for ingrate but only 'cause I gave you 8 out of 10 and you could tell INVAR was getting really worked up!

My aunt Ethel would put you both to shame :)

Outta here :)

-- Andy (, April 15, 1999.

Divide and conquer?

Just get ready for a fight. Been saying it for years and it will happen. Y2K may be the catalyst.

Personally I think politicians are self servers, with some (few) exceptions.

-- freeman (, April 15, 1999.

Definitely not a chick thread. Maybe there's a crochet or gardening discussion somewhere....

-- Lisa (testosterone@fest.whoa), April 15, 1999.

Andy, I woke up this morning even more concerned about the assertions and speculations within this thread. The Kitty Hawk Battle Group is exiting the Sea of Japan. This is the first time that there has not been a US carrier in those waters since WWII.

One of North Korea's primary exports is missile technology, and the US very much wants them to stop it. In response to N.Korea's recent missile test which overflew Japan, the US is planning on deploying a regional Theater Missile Defense system in SE Asia and Japan. This has to be alarming to N. Korea.

Now, concerning your original post. It would appear that China is in the process of "demonizing" the United States. Demonizing one's enemy is a tactic which is used by all belligerents in any war. Usually, however, this propagandizing does not begin until after the start of hostilities. But, in the Asian mind, it may be necessary to have a face-saving pretext to go to war. That is, they can say essentially that they were provoked into hostilities. This thing may be bigger than just an invasion of S.Korea by N.Korea. It also my involve China's conquest of Taiwan.

I'll keep searching for info. But, the more I look the more concerned I get! Willie Boy may have created a really big mess this time!

-- No No (, April 15, 1999.

No No,

The American Public shall slumber on...because there's no such thing as troubles on this side of the Looking Glass ,- except for cigarrete Mfrs. and Ken Starr.

@ proves with his last post his intelligence level is infantile at best. Just what I'd expect from a Clintonista.

-- INVAR (, April 15, 1999.

Today's editorial in Japan's Yomiuri is about the recent missile tests by India and Pakastan. Japan is VERY concerned. The one thing which seems to bother them most is that N. Korea and Pakastan have cooporated in the development of their missiles. The editorial wonders if there also has been cooporation in nuclear affairs.

I found another very interesting article in the International Herald Tribune:

North Korea Welcomes Conflict in the Balkans

TOKYO - North Korean officials are rejoicing in the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia because they believe it distracts Washington from focusing on their repressive regime and illustrates the pitfalls awaiting any potential U.S. military action against Pyongyang.

''We sincerely hope that the United States continues attacking and sends ground troops so it gets bogged down as it did in Vietnam,'' said Kim Myong Chol, who acts as an unofficial spokesman for North Korea in Tokyo.

''And we hope more of its fighter jets are shot down.''

Yugoslavia's resilience shows that NATO has undertaken a ''mission impossible,'' Mr. Kim said. ''Yugoslavia is a tough country but we are 10 times, 100 times tougher.''

The North Korean leader, Kim Jong Il, is suspected of pursuing expensive nuclear weapons and missile-development programs while millions of his people are suffering from hunger.

While North Korea recently agreed to permit international inspections of a suspected nuclear site, 37,000 U.S. soldiers are stationed in South Korea, guarding against that nation that is the region's most serious security threat.

Russian analysts who interviewed North Korean officials for a just- released report from the Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, California, said the NATO bombing had had a major impact on the North Korean government and might lead it to further upgrade its missile and military capability.

''The bombing has 'completely and irreversibly' convinced Pyongyang that it is dealing with a 'new Hitler' who is determined to conquer the entire world through intimidation, pressure and aggression,'' the report said, referring to President Bill Clinton.

The Russian analysts also said that North Koreans viewed the bombing in Yugoslavia as ''broadening opportunities'' for North Korea.

While it is preoccupied in Europe, Washington, in the North Koreans' view, will be more ''flexible in other parts of the world, including Korea,'' the report said.

''The North hopes to use this advantage to develop formal diplomatic relations with the United States, remove U.S. economic sanctions and join international financial institutions like the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank,'' the report said.

'' The situation will be even better, North Korean representatives add, if the United States gets tied up in Yugoslavia for a long time.''

Yugoslavia and North Korea are old ideological allies from the Cold War.

They also have similarly rugged and mountainous terrain that complicates any military ground campaigns against them.

The North Korean army, the fifth world's largest with more than 1 million soldiers, is far larger than Yugoslavia's active-duty force of 114,000.

''North Koreans see that Yugoslavia is doing pretty well,'' even shooting down a U.S. Stealth fighter, said Pyon Jin Il, editor of the Korea Report in Tokyo.

''North Korea is getting more and more confident that their way of fighting can be effective against the U.S.''

When a senior North Korean official, Hwang Jang Yop, defected two years ago, he warned that North Korea would take military action when the Americans became occupied with another international conflict, the editor noted, adding, ''That makes me nervous.'' [end article]

I find it rather interesting that BOTH China and North Korea are painting Clinton to be Hitler-like. It's almost like they have the same playbook.

I also found other articles and info suggesting that China, Russia, and North Korea are greatly concerned about the US move towards a missile defense system. If North Korea views it as a "use it or lose it" situation, then they very well could launch a strike against South Korea.

-- No No (, April 15, 1999.

No No,

Sadly, with regret - I must agree with the avowed enemies of the United States - that Clinton IS Hitler-like.

In the context of creating scapegoats, using emotional argumantism, and eliminating political opposition, Clinton ranks a close second.

Actually in that regard Clinton is rather more like Stalin. Their methods are almost identical. Study the history, you will find many parralells.

I'm really thinking that Clinton's goal is self-annointed world monarch, without regard to anyone's welfare - even at the cost of our nation's soul.

As I said when the kosovo conflict first started...Clinton has lit the fuse of WWIII...and our enemies see opportunity that didn't exist six years ago.

Clinton will be remembered as the wolf that came up among us and opened the doors to our demise.

All because the people want to believe the lie, the liar and the power of the lie.

To all our peril.

-- INVAR (, April 15, 1999.

If anyone is interested, the homepage of North Korea is:

(Still haven't figured out hotlinking.)

INVAR, I really hope that you are wrong. I truely, truely do. But, watching those idiots in Washington gives me a sick feeling that you are not.

-- No No (, April 15, 1999.


I just called I can get you a one way ticket to North Korea for $348. I'm sure that if we take up a collection, we will have no problem raising the money from folks here that are anxious to reunite you with your ideological motherland (Serbia was a little more pricey...).

You'll probably miss the comforts of good ole USA (like food), but their flegling nuclear program will allow you to continue to harbor your fatalistic dread of armageddon. And you won't have to live in the same country as Hitle..ah, Clinton any more.

Got your bags packed?

-- a (a@a.a), April 15, 1999.


you are such a wag! I'm sure INVAR has a bug out bag ready just like the rest of us (ahem).

All joking aside No No and INVAR are more on the money here than most 99.999% of the US populace.

It's all too pat - we are gearing up - this is going to get serious. No question.

-- Andy (, April 15, 1999.

Andy: I do agree that that the shit is about to hit the fan. I don't agree that its a given that everything INVAR speculates on is accurate. For one thing, if N. Korea tried to attack S. Korea and American GI's started getting wacked, it wouldn't take very many nuclear tipped tomahawks to make Pyongyang see the error in its ways . China is another story. They will probably end up with Tiawan after the rollover.

WWIII is definate possibiity. But none of this stuff is written in stone yet.

-- a (a@a.a), April 15, 1999.

-- Lisa (testosterone@fest.whoa)

ROTFL, Lisa! The one bright spot on the thread! :-)

-- Gayla Dunbar (, April 15, 1999.


First off, you obviously possess no comprehension skills as N. Korea's ideology and mine are diametric opposites if you'd bother to READ my posts. Our ONLY agreement is that we perceive Clinton as a Hitler. In this country, we have the FREEDOM to criticize our government - which is a bequeathed birthright you goose-stepping liberal morons would love to quash in favor of your king.

Secondly, once again you are not putting 2 and 2 together.

If you think a few nuke tipped Tomahawks are going to deter the N. Koreans ---- You are sadly mistaken.

We are SO LOW on our stockpile of Tomahawk cruise missles due to our actions in Iraq and Kosovo, Clinton ordered the remainder of our Nuke Cruise stockpiles RE-FITTED with conventional warheads to continue the campaign in Kosovo.

WE ARE NOT REPLACING what we're using over there. Defense cuts since '94 saw to that. The recent defense appropriations was largely earmarked for service pay - NOT armaments.

But you didn't hear that from Peter, Tom, Dan or Wolf - so I can understand why you, like most Americans are in the dark.

You must love being spoon-fed.

-- INVAR (, April 16, 1999.

Hey, Invar, did you catch Clinton's reply to that reporter who directly asked (and he must not have perused the Club Dead membership roster yet) whether Clinton had the moral authority to be the Commander in Chief? I swear Clinton said "I don't need moral authority, I am KING.

That reporter is the bravest soul I've ever witnessed in the media.

-- Lisa (, April 16, 1999.


I wouldn't give the reporter THAT much credit. He asked the question so apologetically that it was if he said: "Please forgive me your majesty...but I have to ask on penalty of death..."

What he did preface his question with was that he apologized to our king for listening to talk radio, but wanted him to answer the question being raised on talk radio - "Do you have the moral authority to lead?"

To which our tyrannical monarch stated: "I HAVE the authority. They (airmen) have an obligation to obey my orders. They took an oath to uphold the Constitution...."

So did king Slick. Unfortunately he used it for shit paper.

Which means the rule of law is dead. Unless you submit to the king's rule.

-- INVAR (, April 16, 1999.

Hey INGRATE, wake up meathead!:


"Dual loyalist officials who dominated intelligence operations and strategic planning in Washington under both the Reagan and Bush administrations apparently played a key role in this "historic betrayal" of American defenses, as Nurminen put it."

-- @ (@@@.@), April 17, 1999.

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