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Heard the following on a local radio station this morning. Need insiders to confirm or rebutt please. 1. Major auto makers are way behind along with utillities. 2. Garden plot is an operation to bottle up 120 major US cities under martial law, with 4,000 troops in each. 3. Dallas police dept. is well aware martial law will be imposed.
-- SCOTTY (BLehman202@aol.com), April 14, 1999
What were the call letters of the radio station? I ask, because sometimes this stuff is easy to track down/affirm/discredit.
-- FM (email@example.com), April 14, 1999.
You forgot #4...
Flying saucer lands in Central Park - kidnaps all NY GIs. No one notices...
-- Y2K Pro (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 14, 1999.
While I think there will be SOME places where martial law is imposed there just flat out aren't enough troops/guardsmen to make it very widespread. Consider the math:
1,500,000 troops (many of whom are overseas now) + 500,000 national guard members (many of whom are also overseas) and you get 2,000,000 potential troops that could be used for martial law.
Put that up against 200,000,000 guns in the hands private citizens (enough for one gun per adult in the US) and you get a 100:1 ratio. That is 1 armed soldier trying to contain 100 armed citizens. Widespread martial law ain't gonna happen.
-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 14, 1999.
200 million guns, yes. But 70 million gun owners.
Anyway, the whole things sounds far fetched. Confirmation would be real helpful.
-- eyes_open (email@example.com), April 14, 1999.
-TECH32- : Your math doesn't include UN troops that would likely be deployed as well. Don't think so? Not on our soil? Think again...
-- Buffalo Bob (Buff@hal.com), April 14, 1999.
120 X 4,000 = 480,000 Cleveland is FAR from th elargest city in the list and 4,000 is about what was used for the Glenville Event. The Hough Event took a few more, if memory serves (I wasn't a resident here then). If you are using 4,000 as the operative number, NOT all of them wil be AIG troops, as there will need to be the usual logistical, C3I, and other non-front line folks. You gotta feed 'em, provide internal security for garison (-2sp?) etc. EVEN IF you want to use the number 4,000 as AIG troops, looking at the lay of the land HERE, that is woefully inadequate, even with the help of indig law enforcement, and any of the several hundred indig .gov alphabet people we have here in town.
I drive this city. Pulling out my mental map, I can't "bottle up" this city with that few folks. I CAN make exiting difficult, and I CAN keep the Interstate System Arteries here clear for whatever we need them for, but as far as bottling up the city, NO WAY!!.
4,000 is about what you would needot keep the Interstates clear, period. Assuming you want to work it in turn and turn 12's with either 4,000 as the total force (makes it tough but doable) or with 4,000 as the number of AIG troops (better, still 12's turn-n-turn). the simple logistics of the GEOGRAPHIC SPREAD makes this really tough.
Discrediting this from simply the strategic point of view is too easy!
chuck, a night driver in Cleveland
PS Look at some of the other cities in the top 120, and use local maps. 4K per is ludicrous!! NY?? Boston? LOLOLOL!! Chicago??? Help, I can't get up!! Va Beach-Norfolk ????? NOT A CHANCE! Much like trying to win the Serbian thing with a single MEU......... ooops, ya know, SOMEONE might just think it's doable after all ....SHEESH!!
-- chuck, a Night Driver (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 14, 1999.
Chuck, that number is only National Guard. Doesn't include regulars and UN. Glad you saw my spaceship y2kpro. We are everywhere now!!!!!!!
-- SCOTTY (BLehman202@aol.com), April 14, 1999.
It would help if we had the call letters of the radio station that you heard this on. I personally know that martial law contingency plans were drawn up by white house etc. november of last year.
Keep in mind those are just contingency plans.
On the hand that 4000 troops would not be enough... Go back to Nazi Germany and see how many troops could enforce the law.
Just saw a report on Deutsche Welle TV about the history of the police last night. First: Instill fear to the general populace. Second: Break up groups as soon as you get wind of them harshly and swiftly. Third: Make an example aboout some of them. (A public execution of looders etc. will do wonders to keep people in check)
DO NOT THINK IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE... That's what Berliner's said when their troops marched off in 1939....
But what do I know...
-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), April 14, 1999.
Comment: I believe the use of UN troops would be unlikely (except for the possibility of NY - and, there, only limited use for UN dipolomatic security.) y2k impacts will be more serious in other areas of the world where preparedness is way behind the US. I am sure that "the troops" will be quite busy elsewhere bringing stability amd humanitarian aid to other countries or dealing with their own country's propblems.
-- marsh (email@example.com), April 14, 1999.
Re: Nazis - The first thing the Nazis did was register all guns.
"This year will go down in history -- for the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler, 1935
The second thing the Nazis did was confiscate all those registered guns....
-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), April 14, 1999.
For what it's worth, GARDEN PLOT is not about Y2K and the 120 major cities on the domestic terrorism assistance program. GARDEN PLOT goes back to the sixties and race riots in major cities.
It's an Air Force plan to transport National Guard troops in case they were needed to for riot control. There was a lot of concern because active-duty Air Force crews flying in support of civilian riot duty was thought to be pushing Posse Commitatus to the edge. Wish today's federal government was that worried about stepping over the line of military intervention into domestic affairs. (Ah, for the good old days. No military "technical advisor role" to law enforcement, with driving tanks through "the suspect's" house.)
-- Wildweasel (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 14, 1999.