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Can someone help me sort out the differences between naptha, coleman fuel, white gas. I have heard lots of different things about these fuels. If you KNOW the answers, please respond. Thanks !
-- reed moore (reed_moore@postmaster.co.uk), April 13, 1999
Reed .... Can tell you one thing ! BOTH naptha and gas fumes are HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE !!! Don't know what ingredients are in Coleman fuel. Haven't had my stove since my son borrowed it 20 years ago, but would guess(!) it may be a combination of fuels with a LOWER evaporation rate than gas or naptha; therefore, less volitial vapors for explosion. Eagle P.S. Why not check with information; Coleman should have a toll free number for customer information that you can call, and get the correct info.
-- Circliong Eagle (A999Eagle@prodigy.com), April 13, 1999.
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Posted by Rich H on October 19, 1998 at 15:01:41:
Boy What did I Start? I have seen more rumors and half truths about coleman fuel since I posted that it did work on engines!! Coleman fuel is a very highly refined version of GASOLINE!! it has no additives in it. It comes in sealed metal cans and it stores at least 5 years if you keep it cool and LEAVE IT ALONE till you use it!! It will work in ALL gasoline engines! You mix oil in 2 cycles so that is not a problem] In 4 cycle add 1/2 to 1 oz of ATF or marvel mystery oil per gallon of fuel to provide top cylinder lube. If you want to go one step further get some lead substitute for the old regular burning engines. OK??? Now I am going to provide you with a VERY basic primer on how oil and fuel relate to the cracking (refining) tower. crude oil in: lowest levels give you motor oils then fuel oils here is how it is top to bottom
Lpg (Much more done to refine but you get the Idea) white gasoline Racing gas Av gas Gasoline K1 kerosene kerosene fuel oil #1 fuel oil #2 fuel oil #3 fuel oil # 4 motor oils Ok now there are many other products made at various levels and many other additives are introduced to provide the end products we use but this gives you an Idea as to how the various fuels relate.
NOW if you want to store some Coleman fuel for emergency use GO AHEAD do it! If it burns gas it will burn Coleman! But if you want to use it TRY IT NOW! Don't wait to see if it will work, don't post over and over and over. TRY IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!!!! But don't plan on it being your PRIMARY fuel. you can't possibly store enough to run generators on it. Most of You have NO clue as to how much fuel a gasoline generator really uses. Running a typical gas generator would run you at least 5 gallons per day every day assuning you only ran it 5-6 hours per day! do the math! Store 20 gallons for your chain saw. another 10 for the log spliter. but thats about it. if you need to use some for another reason for a short term use go ahead! but if your looking for LONG TERM CONTInuous use get a DIESEL. car truck generator whatever. Rich H
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It IS Gasoline it is NOT Naphtha
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Posted by Rich H on October 19, 1998 at 11:39:10:
In Reply to: Coleman Fuel LIGHTER fluid is naphtha, COLEMAN FUEL is a Higher fractionof gasoline without any additives, it works in both two and 4cycle engines, but add some lube to it for the four strokers 1 oz per gal would be good, OF COURSE you will add oil to 2 cycle!!!!Leave it alone in the cans and the biggie is keep-em COOL you good for 5 + years no sweat! I have used with great results over and over. as a second opinion here is an artical I found at Frugals which backs up my experiance as well as Use.
White Gas, Coleman Fuel, and Unleaded Gasoline White Gas, Coleman Fuel, and Unleaded Gasoline )1995 E. Michael Smith These fuels are all related in that all of them are of similar boiling points and are distilled from petroleum from the same 'cut'. Gasoline is more broad in the 'cut' and has a wider range of materials in it. It also has additives that make it store less well. Coleman Fuel is a particular brand of the more generic product, white gas. White gas is gasoline without the additives in it yet, and may or maynot be a broad cut like regular gasoline. They all have some very nice properties as a storage fuel. They also have some profound differences. Coleman fuel doesn't age and varnish up the way gasoline does. White gas is not as clean a cut as Coleman Fuel, but I've not done long duration storage tests on it. It might, or might not, store as well. I've used several year old Coleman fuel with no problems at all. Gasoline more than 1 year old is marginal. Store it for a couple of years and it will smell of varnish and have odd deposits on the bottom of the can. All of these fuels are of a moderately high vapor pressure,so they can puff up cans in a hot trunk. Gasoline does this more, since it has more 'light' hydrocarbons. In some cold climates, these can even include Butane! You will need a fuel bottle that can take some internal pressure if you intend to store gasoline or white gas fuels in a hot car trunk. I've done a multiyear test with Coleman Fuel in a Sigg fuel bottle in a Honda. It worked well. I've not tested Unleaded insimilar circumstances. If you do store gasoline, use summer gas. It has a higher boiling point and less light hydrocarbons. These fuels burn very cleanly. They are easy to light. They evaporate readily, so spills are to some extent self policing. The fuels are cheap, and readily available. Unleaded gasoline isabout the most commonly available fuel you could want. Stoves and lanterns to use them are available from many manufacturers just about everywhere. So why not just use gasolines or Coleman Fuel as your camping and preparedness fuel of choice? Why not, indeed. It would be a reasonable choice for most people. The stoves and lanterns do require pumping, which some folks find a bother. They must be refilled with a liquid, so you have a chance for leakage and spillage. Getting them lit when cold can takea while and does require a bit of a knack, especially for the lanterns. (You wait and wait and just about when fear has led you to believe that the lantern will blow up any minute, the gas finally reaches the mantle and lights, often with a startling POOF!) For folks with no or little mechanical aptitude, Propane or Butane are better choices. If you have low availability of unleaded gasoline (such as someone living in a country where leaded gasoline still is the most common) or want a safer fuel in storage and don't mind the esthetics of use quite as much, then Kerosene is a good choice. For most folks, though, Unleaded or White Gas is the fuel of choice, and Coleman Fuel is just about the best brand. Once per year, about August, I cycle my stored gasoline. The old stuff gets dumped into the car (easy with a gas car, a bit trickier but still do able with a Diesel car). Then I buy a new fresh 5 gallons worth for the next year. Thegas, being above the 2 gallon limit imposed by my home insurance for garage storage, goes into a detached shed away from the house. Check your insurance limits for flammables restrictions. On ageneral use basis, I use Coleman Fuel. When fishing or camping, the clean burning of it, the lower smell, and the general convenience of a fuel that treats my appliances well is worth the added cost to me. In an emergency, I'd use my stored gasoline. There are an increasing number of stoves these days that can burn your choice of {unleaded, white gas, kerosene}, so the issue of which fuel to choose for storage is a bit less coupled to stove choice. If you have a gasoline car, I'd opt for Unleaded Gasoline and a 'Dual Fuel' stove/lantern that uses unleaded and improve the storage system by putting the fuel in an insulated container like an ice chest (sans ice). The goal is to cut the peak temperature experienced by the stored fuel. The insulation of the ice chest would help do this. Coleman fuel is my emergency stove and lantern storage fuel of choice for all things other than my present car, where I use Kerosene, since I can run my Diesel on that in a pinch. For the average person driving a gasoline car, I'd use Unleaded gasoline in a Sigg or MSR type fuel bottle and appliances made for white gas/ColemanFuel/Unleaded. Index to Expedient Camping (Crisis Kit) topics. Directory of Regions served. Copyright )1995 NetSurf, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
-- Y2Dave (noMatches@all.pls), April 13, 1999.
Reed, we can give you a more precise answer, and the associated risks if we know the intended use for the fuel (ie backpacking stove, camp stove, lantern, what?), users (child/ adult), intended duration (weekend/month/forever), and environment (household/mountainside/sea level/cold weather, etc). If it is a stove, how many people do you plan to cook for?
-- (snowleopard6@webtv.net), April 13, 1999.
I intend to store maybe 10 gal. for use in a coleman lantern and duel fuel stove. These are backup sources of light and cooking only. I understand the dangers associated with these type products and am interested only for use as a backup source. It is good to know that they store for long periods. Rest assured, I won't be storing this under my bed ! Thanks to you all for your kind assistance. Reed.
-- reed moore (reed_moore@postmaster.co.uk), April 13, 1999.
White gas will gum up your colemans after awhile. Use the coleman fuel. It costs more, but stores much better and will not gum up your equipment.
-- SCOTTY (BLehman202@aol.com), April 13, 1999.
More than you probably want to know about fuels in more languages that all of us probably know collectively:http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/archive/The_Fuel_Name_FAQ_version_28.html
--Greybear
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-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), April 13, 1999.