> http://38.201.154.103/articles/?a=1999/4/8/73748 > > Analysis: Russia Mobilizes, America Sleeps > > J.R. Nyquist and Christopher Ruddy > NewsMax.com > April 8, 1999 > > > LONDON AND WASHINGTON -- Bill Clinton's use of NATO forces > to bomb Yugoslavia could trigger global war. > > Over the weekend, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji hinted that > the crisis in Kosovo could lead to a world war. At the > same time, Russia -- a long-time ally of the Serbs -- has > begun a large-scale mobilization of its military forces. > > While NATO countries are engaging in military operations, > not one Western country is mobilizing for a larger war, as > is Russia. > > THE NEW STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP OF RUSSIA AND CHINA > > NATO's soporific reaction to Russia's mobilization should > also be viewed, not in the context of the Yugoslavia > bombing, but in the broader context of the new > China-Russia relationship -- one that has dramatically > altered the balance of power in the world. > > In November 1998, Russia and China officially formed a > "strategic partnership." According to the official Chinese > news agency, this partnership is meant to challenge the > "perceived global dominance of the U.S." In plain English, > the primary enemy Russia and China plan to fight is the > United States and its allies. > > Together, Russia and China have the world's most powerful > military, including over 30,000 nuclear weapons, armies of > 6 million men with hundreds of battle-ready combat > divisions, and thousands of tanks. Their new alliance > should have rung warning bells throughout the world. > Instead the Western media, Clinton and other Western > leaders have ignored it, continuing to insist that Russia > and China are our "friends." > > WHILE CLINTON DIDDLES, RUSSIA AND CHINA PREPARE FOR WAR > > In recent months, Russia and China have jointly > demilitarized their 2,500-mile border. Three hundred > Russian combat units were withdrawn from the Chinese > frontier. A similar number of Chinese units were > withdrawn. > > China has also been rapidly building up its ballistic > missile forces opposite Taiwan -- forces that could be > used against the U.S. military in the Far East. ~snipped~

-- diggin n' dirty (bombshelter@backdoor.com), April 12, 1999

Answers

Very little in Russia is combat ready. As we speak Russians siphon fuel from whatever they can to put a few rusted ships in the water to give the appearance of a combat ready navy. Alaskans have been contributing provisions the last two months to cities and villages in the Russian Far East that are starving and without power. Situation is grim at best. That is where the danger lies. Acts of desperation instead of might.

-- (snowleopard6@webtv.net), April 12, 1999.

-- from NewsMax.com Analysis: Russia Mobilizes, America Sleeps
J.R. Nyquist and Christopher Ruddy
April 8, 1999

LONDON AND WASHINGTON -- Bill Clinton's use of NATO forces to bomb Yugoslavia could trigger global war.
Over the weekend, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji hinted that the crisis in Kosovo could lead to a world war. At the same time, Russia  a long-time ally of the Serbs -- has begun a large-scale mobilization of its military forces.
While NATO countries are engaging in military operations, not one Western country is mobilizing for a larger war, as is Russia.
THE NEW STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP OF RUSSIA AND CHINA
NATO's soporific reaction to Russia's mobilization should also be viewed, not in the context of the Yugoslavia bombing, but in the broader context of the new China-Russia relationship -- one that has dramatically altered the balance of power in the world.
In November 1998, Russia and China officially formed a "strategic partnership." According to the official Chinese news agency, this partnership is meant to challenge the "perceived global dominance of the U.S." In plain English, the primary enemy Russia and China plan to fight is the United States and its allies.
Together, Russia and China have the world's most powerful military, including over 30,000 nuclear weapons, armies of 6 million men with hundreds of battle-ready combat divisions, and thousands of tanks. Their new alliance should have rung warning bells throughout the world. Instead the Western media, Clinton and other Western leaders have ignored it, continuing to insist that Russia and China are our "friends."
WHILE CLINTON DIDDLES, RUSSIA AND CHINA PREPARE FOR WAR In recent months, Russia and China have jointly demilitarized their 2,500-mile border. Three hundred Russian combat units were withdrawn from the Chinese frontier. A similar number of Chinese units were withdrawn.
China has also been rapidly building up its ballistic missile forces opposite Taiwan -- forces that could be used against the U.S. military in the Far East. An attack against Taiwan could come at any time. Carl Ford of the Heritage Foundation, testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on March 25, said that the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) has changed its military strategy from one of a slowly-developed assault and blockade against Taiwan, to "more intense, quick-hitting attacks using ballistic missiles."


-- Max Dixon (mcdixon@konnections.com), April 13, 1999.

I think we must have one of the most awful President's running our country right now. Things are not looking good and NO ONE seems to even be noticing. I think this little war is going to blow up into something HUGE! My goodness can't anyone see it coming!

POOH

-- POOH (pooh@pooh.net), April 13, 1999.

Pooh, I don't think it's the president but a spineless or condoning congress.

Snowleapord6, A few rusted ships??

Diggin n' dirty,, This topic was covered very well by Andy on this thread---http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=000hRf

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@aol.com), April 13, 1999.

Yeah -- it's Klinton (Bush, Reagan, Carter...), yeah it's Congress, and yeah it's the courts. Bottom line: It's the electorate.
The problem is, this is no longer a republic with a literate, PROPERTIED electorate.

(If you have a mortgage, you are not propertied. And if you think you are propertied because you have no mortgage, try not paying "propety taxes" and see who the real owner is. Your status is either peon or sharecropper.)

This is now a defacto "representative" democracy. The Constitution is asswipe. And the electorate is STUPID That means, if you are a voter, you are likely stupid, and so is your family, neighbors, co-workers and business associates. No? Look who you/they have elected for over 100 years. Steadily worse. And don't give me that "well if everyone voted..." or "we need a better informed electorate..." Never happen!

There aren't enough intelligent people to outvote the stupidos. There is no "wisdom" in the collective judgement of a bunch of idiots. ("The sum of a string of zeros is still zero.")

Rent a copy of "Cabaret" then go dig in.

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 13, 1999.

There will be a protest rally, calling for Clinton's resignation May 1st, 12pm at the south lawn of the whitehouse sponsored by True Blue Patriots.

-- Arthur Rambo (buriedtreasure@webtv.net), April 13, 1999.

Careful Rambo,

Clinton might have you all arrested for unlawful assembly, and endangering his political life. After all, how dare you peons question the king??!!

On a less cynical note, you're wasting your time Rambo. Clinton is king, the Republicans are whipped pussies, and the populace is fast asleep. Clinton has destroyed the system of checks and balances, turned the law on its head to serve him, and politicized every independent agency in the government. It was a brilliant coup Rambo, and America lost because it was too fat, lazy and complacent to care.

You might truly find yourself in serious environs if you piss this tyrant off. He don't give a shit about the law or the people, just himself and his legacy.

Be vewy, vewy caweful.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), April 13, 1999.

And now a Word from the Lord:

"Why do the nations conspire, and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and His anointed, saying, "Let us burst their bonds asunder, and cast their cords from us." (The one and only true conspiracy!)

He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord has them in derision. Then He will speak to them in His wrath, and terrify them in His fury, saying, "Ihave set my King (JESUS) on Zion, my holy hill."...

Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, with trembling kiss His feet, lest He be angry, and you perish in the way; for His wrath is quickly kindled.

Blessed are all who take refuge in Him." -Psalm 2

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"And this whall be the plague with which the Lord will smite all the peoples that wage war....their flesh shall rot while they are still on their feet, their eyes shall rot in their sockets, the their tongues shall rot in their mouths. And on that day a great panic from the Lord shall fall on them, so that each will turn against each other." -Zech.14:12-14

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"I am about to shake the heavens and the earth, and to overthrow the throne of kingdoms; I am about to destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the nations, and overthrow the chariots and their riders and they shall go down." -Haggai 2:20-23

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"In the whole land, says the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, 'They are my people'; and they will say, 'The Lord is my God.'" -Zech. 13:8,9

"Fear not little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." -Jesus (Luke 12:32)

The prophets are not exactly Mark Twain, but they are inspired.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), April 13, 1999.

Any details on the May 1 rally? Link?

-- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), April 13, 1999.

A@A:

I am not a property owner. I rent. I can barely make ends meet. Young scientists rarely ever do.

I suppose that, according to your logic, I ought not have the right to vote. Why? I don't own property. Therefore I am too stupid to be responsible with a ballot.

I agree with you that the nature of our current involvement in Kosovo is foolhardy and misguided. I also agree with you that there are problems in the ability of many people to think critically and beyond a superficial, emotional level, and that this constitutes a threat to good governance. But I could not disagree with you more in your belief that the solution to all this is to take away the voting rights of those who don't own a plot of land! It is a shame that, in your ideal world, only the people who think *exactly* like you would we allowed to vote. You'd be missing out the input of people like myself who only *partially* agree with you.

If your oligarchical mindset were ever to manifest itself in the law, I would find a loophole. A bunch of my non-landowner friends and I would get together and buy a small piece of vacant land. Then we would sell a small, 12" x 12" square of property to each other. We would all possess deeds to our single square foot of land. HA HA!! Now try to disenfranchise us, you tyrant!

-- hb (jpc4e@virginia.edu), April 13, 1999.

Maybe this whole 'land ownership' thing is part of the problem. Look at the Indians, they didn't believe land could ever be 'owned', and they never had a y2k problem. Their problem was simply that they were outgunned.

-- Ct Vronsky (vronsky@anna.com), April 13, 1999.

Their problem was simply that they were outgunned.

Ct....they were gunned down, not outgunned. Kind of like the Kosovosians. With few or no weapons to fight back with, they are being exterminated. Much like the Indians. The only reason that us "white people" even let the few Indian tribes live is that there was enough land back then to "put them away" somewhere, and tell them not to come out.

It gets harder and harder to like being American sometimes....

Mr. K
***happens to be 1/8 Cherokee***

-- Mr. Kennedy (here@work.now), April 13, 1999.

The REALLY scary news of the days is that Russia, Bealourus (?) and Yugoslavia signed a alliance treaty. Such treaties were part of the trigger mechanism of World War One. Now here we are repeating the same scenario, one treaty alliance thumping on a member of another.

How long before the other members of the second treaty are obligated to intervene militarily on behalf of their treaty partner? And what level of force are they pledged to use? And is this treaty retro- active to before the start of military action by NATO?

Shades of Archduke Ferdinand's death, folks. We could be on the threshold of a real big shooting war.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), April 13, 1999.

hb -- I don't know you, but chances are (95%) that you are politically an idiot regardless of how many degrees you have -- whether arts or sciences.

The big mistake voters in republics make is expanding the franchise in the name of "fairness" or whatever.

(E.g., giving women the vote. Switzerland is still an island of stability and relative freedom in spite of the fact they operate under napoleonic law rather than common law; whereas the U.S., since granting women the vote, has been involved in two large "declared" wars and numerous "police actions", "peacekeeping missions", etc.)

Giving people the vote just because they are breathing and taking up space starts the careening down the slippery slope. You think I'm full of it? Well, I give you example numero uno, the decline of the U.S.

There SHOULD be some qualifcation to vote other than having been on the planet for a certain number of journeys around the sun. Property ownership selects for a lot of desirable traits that are lacking in non-property owners -- foresight, thrift, intelligence, likely community involvement, etc.

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 13, 1999.

Please bring all the OLD BOY"S home from Washington. Fetch'em off at the at the station. Give them a FAIR trial and hang'em! With luck the next batch will come with BACKBONES.

-- && (&&@&&.&), April 14, 1999.

hp, the point was federal and state government ownes all land in the U.S., and there are not enough informed votes to overcome the herd.

A, I think women voters had alot more to do with our turning to socialism, than our greedy coorperate wars.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@aol.com), April 14, 1999.

"my goodness, can't anyonce see it coming." No, Pooh, they can't. And the reasons for tht are as INVAR has said. THe dow is high, "Sex dosn't matter", morals are a joke, and the economy is great. We have been seduced by our own god given success...

-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), April 14, 1999.

While Russia mobilizes, our beloved president just issued another Executive Order that makes the following combat zones: -- The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Serbia/Montenegro); -- Albania; -- the Adriatic Sea; -- the Ionian Sea north of the 39th parallel.

By doing this, he is widely increasing the chances of an "accident" happening with Russia.

Got prayer!

PS As for the Native Americans being out-gunned or gunned down that pales in comparrison to how the white man really killed them. I'm talking about disease. The europeans brought with them diseases that the Indians had no resistance to. In some cases disease wiped out whole tribes. I think this was the single most destuctive factor that lead to their decline.

-- Mark Mastrorilli (mastrorilli@hotmail.com), April 14, 1999.

I wouldn't mind ONE Russian-launched missile landing on U.S. soil. The white house is a perfect target, as long as it's current residents are home at the time.

-- doode (I'mset@home.house), April 14, 1999.

"hb -- I don't know you, but chances are (95%) that you are politically an idiot regardless of how many degrees you have -- whether arts or sciences."

I won't dignify this crude and ignorant remark with a response.

As for the blather about the "mistake" of giving women the vote--GO BACK TO THE 19th CENTURY WHERE YOU BELONG!!

-- hb (jpc4e@virginia.edu), April 14, 1999.

A,

"Willkommen, Dammen und Herren!"

I agree with you about the stupidity of the electorate, but delighted to find that someone else has keyed into "Cabaret" as the movie of the hour. I have this vision of Joel Gray in my head and I can't shake it: "money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around..."

Dano

-- Dano (bookem@blacksand.srf), April 14, 1999.

R. Wright said: "I think women voters had alot more to do with our turning to socialism, than our greedy coorperate wars."

That too, not instead of. Every country has it's own brand of collectivism. The U.S. is a mix of socialism and fascism. Remember, "big governments -- big wars".

hb said: "I won't dignify this crude and ignorant remark with a response." Then goes on to say "As for the blather about the "mistake" of giving women the vote--GO BACK TO THE 19th CENTURY WHERE YOU BELONG!!" What's the difference between that little "well-reasoned" comment and the redneck's "America -- Love it or leave it"? Are you a female or just a stupid guy?

All: I post my rather provocative comments in the likely vain hope that you consider what kind of structures after Y2K you might like, if you have to rebuild. You want to continue or reestablish something like the form that the U.S. has degraded to -- like the rest of the world? Or something more similar to what the U.S. was when it started -- which was unique in all history?

Do you know the difference?

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 14, 1999.

Dano: Yes!

-- A (A@AisA.com), April 14, 1999.