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Well I will tell you! Its mine and Linda's fortieth (40th)year of marriage.

We each year look back and remember old friends, family and try to remember the names of each person that has come and gone in our lives over the years.

We remember the times when we had eaten so much oatmeal at the thought of it we would not do anthing but say Blah. Times when each pennie was counted for meals, rent and apples and bannas for lunch along with balonga.

The lanlord when payday was two or three days away. Nice people. Lindas Dad and mom that sneaked a few bucks into Linda's pocket without her knowing for us helping them out with a chore of grass cutting while her dad was away as engineer for old L & N railroad.

Then there was the kids that wasn't planned (three daughters ) none planned. The youngest and her husband now manages my business'es while the other two (The oldest one married an eye doctor and the other one sells drugs to drug pharmacies. Both live in NC. My dog wag is buried under the tree on our property. Linda's cat was run over by a car and we seperated the two since they didn't get along too well in life.

Linda's mom and dad is gone as is mine, Linda'a has lost one sister and I have lost two brothers. As I see it dads and mom's prayers are being answered. They always prayed Good Lord Let Them all grow up and have long full lives and have famalies so they can pull their hair out too, like mom and me. Those prayers have never been taken lightly for they were prayers of blessings. We as a nation have had wars that have taken their toll in pain and suffering. We all came home at last.

Then theres the buddies, pals and friends over the years that straight and true and lightened many a burden. I hope we did the same for them. Some are now sleeping well while others have had things and work to take them from our lives and where they are we have lost track except for a few.

What a great fortieth year. Linda still looks thirty five and I well you've seen the cook on " Wagon Train" )

Gosh wish you all were here as I took Linda to the resturant of her choice. Lord willing and the horse don't break a leg we will do it again next year. Now we have to fill in the book. Just maybe your name will be writtenn down.


-- Lon (, April 10, 1999


Congratulations, Lon and Linda!

I wish you 40 more!

Marcy (Yolanda Krap of the Circus)

-- Marcy (, April 10, 1999.

What a delight, Lon! Lovely post, wish we had a few more like that! And I hope I'll be able to tell you about the 13th wedding anniversary for Sweetie and me--it's on December 31, 1999. . .! All good luck to you and Linda.

-- Old Git (, April 10, 1999.

What an album of wonderful memories! Thank you so much for sharing them with us, Lon.

Congratulations and Best Wishes to you both.

-- Faith Weaver (, April 10, 1999.

Mr. Yourdon comments on April 1 rollover

asked in the TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Q&A Forum ---------- Mr. Yourdon writes a weekly Y2K column for some outfit called Cutter Consortium. He wrote one of these columns about the April 1 rollover, and a friend passed it along to me. Not sure if it's kosher to post it here on his forum, but I figure that what goes around comes around...



Welcome to the Y2000 E-Mail Advisor, a weekly electronic briefing from Ed Yourdon, Director of the Cutter Consortium's Y2000 Advisory Service.


It's now been a week since New York, Canada, and Japan celebrated the beginning of their new fiscal year; as I write this week's column, the British government is going through the same process. Thus far, it appears that there have been no significant Y2000 problems, and Y2000 pundits are now trying to decide what it all means.

Unfortunately, much of the discussion has degenerated into petty bickering between the Y2000 optimists and pessimists (or, to use the more disparaging terms, pollyannas and doomsayers). The pessimists may have been hoping that dramatic Y2000 problems would emerge in Ottawa, Tokyo, London, or Albany in order to validate their predictions about Y2000, or to at least raise the level of awareness about potential problems looming ahead in the next few months. And the optimists may have been hoping that the lack of 1 April problems would prove, once and for all, that the pessimists' predictions were grossly exaggerated.

I found myself dragged into the fray when a participant on the Internet forum reminded his fellow participants shortly after 1 April that I had written a grumpy article last July (available at in which I said "On April 1, 1999, we will all watch anxiously as the governments of Japan and Canada, as well as the state of New York, begin their 1999-2000 fiscal year; at that moment, the speculation about Y2K will end, and we will have tangible evidence of whether governmental computer systems work or not." It was suggested that I should "put up or shut up": unless there was tangible evidence of Y2000 problems resulting from the fiscal year rollovers, I should acknowledge that Y2000 isn't going to be such a bad problem after all.

Well, maybe it won't be -- and if that's the case, we should all rejoice. After all, we're all on the same side, in terms of our desires for a best-case Y2000 outcome, even if our current assessments of the situation may differ. I'm happy to agree with the notion that the fiscal year rollover success enjoyed by New York, Canada, and Japan -- coupled with the similar experiences enjoyed by the Eurocurrency projects, as well as the absence of catastrophic rollover problems on 1 January 1999 -- means that there is less reason than before to assume that Y2000 will lead to TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it). But I never believed in the TEOTWAWKI scenario in the first place, and I still think there's an enormous amount of potential for moderate disruptions between the "bump in the road" scenario predicted by the optimists, and the apocalyptic TEOTWAWKI scenario articulated by the doomsayers.

Looking back on the words I wrote last July, I do regret having said "at that moment, the speculation about Y2K will end," because it has become evident that there is still much to speculate about. The most significant aspect of speculation involves embedded systems: regardless of whatever problems the various government authorities might have had with their financial computing systems on 1 April or their Eurocurrency systems back in January, none of it involves the embedded systems. We still don't know how that part of the Y2000 story will unfold, and we continue to be whipsawed between optimism and pessimism as we see each new report indicating that embedded systems failures are worse than -- or, according to the next report, less serious than -- what we previously believed. Y2000 optimists and pessimists will continue arguing passionately about the presence or absence of life-threatening embedded system failures until much later this year -- indeed, possibly right up to midnight on New Year's Eve.

It's also fairly clear that a fiscal-year rollover phenomenon only concerns those computer systems that are aware of the concept of a fiscal year, and that make use of that concept in their decision- making and/or calculations. Thus, there are almost certain to be a wide range of computing systems within a government organization that are date-sensitive, and potentially noncompliant, but which are completely unaffected by the fact that the organizational entity has moved into a new fiscal year that extends from 1 April 1999 to 31 March 2000.

But let's put these two categories of systems aside for the moment, and focus on the heart of the debate: what can we conclude from the apparent fact that FY-sensitive computing systems in the Canadian, Japanese, and New York State governments appear to have survived the 1999-2000 rollover event?

The optimistic interpretation is fairly obvious: it means that appropriate remediation efforts on those systems were indeed finished on time, rather than falling behind schedule; and it means that the testing efforts were sufficiently thorough and comprehensive that no "show-stopper" bugs have appeared. And if that interpretation is correct, one might logically conclude that the government agencies will extend their success to the rest of their systems, and thus succeed in remediating and testing all of the other systems that would otherwise fail on 1 January 2000.

But this gets back to the issue of what I referred to as "tangible evidence" in my 1998 article. How do we know that New York State's mission-critical systems survived the fiscal-year rollover? Well, we have the governor's word for it: on 1 April, New York Governor George Pataki issued a press release (available at, which announced that "New York State's "mission critical" computer systems -- such as the state's payroll, general accounting, and tax systems -- that are dependent on the state's fiscal year have been remediated, tested, and are in production." Alas, we have become such a cynical nation that we're not entirely sure if we can trust such public statements; after all, we live in a nation where the meaning of truth is sometimes determined by what the meaning of "is" is. Thus, the Y2000 pessimists -- along with at least a few computer- illiterate cynics -- may seek their own evidence that the state's computer systems are working properly.

But it's likely that many computer problems that might have occurred on 1 April were simple enough that they could be fixed by computer programmers within a matter of hours, without the public ever becoming aware of the problem. True, this might have cost the taxpayers some money, and it may have caused an incremental, temporary decrease in the efficiency and productivity of the state government. But the reality is that if the problem is small enough -- or, to put it more cynically, if the problem is capable of being hidden and covered up -- then it doesn't qualify as "tangible evidence." If the citizens and taxpayers don't see it, it doesn't exist.

That seems to have been the experience with the Eurocurrency situation, and the FY-99 rollover experience. That's not to say that either of these two "trigger dates" were completely problem-free; a Eurocurrency problem with one of the French banks led to riots in Marseilles by welfare recipients who had not received their checks by mid-January 1999 (see 00bsGq&P4_FOLLOW_ON=/99/1/7/wrio07.html&pg=/et/99/1/7/wrio07.html

for details); and rumors abound of European banking difficulties with bungled deposits and funds transfers. And though the FY-99 rollover didn't lead to any catastrophes, there is no shortage of minor problems that have been reported (see for one such list).

But thus far, we have NO evidence of FY-00 rollover problems in Canada, New York, Japan, or England. It's worth remembering, though, that many of these problems -- if they exist at all -- may not show up until several "cycles" of processing have occurred, e.g., when monthly or quarterly reports have to be generated, or when several payrolls have been run. The cumulative effect of software errors -- sometimes referred to as the "Jo Anne Effect" problem among Y2000 cognoscenti -- may not be visible until numerous database records have been clobbered, or numerous end users have been affected.

And that will be the ultimate test: if FY rollover problems cause New York, England, or Canada to bungle the payment of pension checks to a hundred thousand retired civil-service workers, it won't be possible to hide the problem. We've already seen one such problem, though it's now attributed to human error rather than a Y2000 software bug: the recent fiasco that led the New Jersey state government to erroneously credit thousands of food-stamp recipients with an additional payment.

For whatever it's worth, the public acknowledgments of the 1 April situation by New York and Canadian Y2000 managers was cautious. A 2 April article in the *Los Angeles Times* (see quotes Jim Bimson of the Canadian Year 2000 office as saying, "So far it's been a nonevent. We haven't heard anything today, but I'm not that surprised since we really have to wait a while for some transactions to occur. Most of the computers are still working in the last fiscal year."

Meanwhile, it's also important to remember that Canada, Japan, England, and New York State are not finished with the systems that MUST work on 1 January 2000. A quick look at the "top 40" mission- critical systems in New York State (visible at, which shows the status as of January 1999) indicates that roughly half are not yet compliant.

Whether you're an optimist or a pessimist, it's important to remember that we still have several months before we'll really know how Y2000 will turn out. If you think of it as a 10-round boxing match, the optimists can claim to have won the first three rounds; but there are still several rounds to go.

-- 32356 (3@23.56), April 10, 1999.

Happy 40th Anniversary Lon and Linda!

-- Gayla Dunbar (, April 10, 1999.

CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 and MANY more!!!!!!!!!

-- SCOTTY (, April 10, 1999.

The Journey Of 

Sorry! I'm still new at this. :-)

-- Gayla Dunbar (, April 10, 1999.

Congrats!! Mrs Driver and I have celebrated our 25th in January) and plan to celebrate our 25th WEDDING aniversary Labor Day Weekend. We too, have this type of memory.

Chuck, a night Driver

-- Chuck, a night driver (, April 10, 1999.


Now take your fucking teaser headline and personal BS over to the "Elderly Folks that like to Back-Slap each other" forum.

-- Do I know what day it is? (yes its the day@I had my blood pressure raised by. an asshole), April 10, 1999.

Congratulations Lon and Linda!

And Blood Pressure... get a grip! No wonder your blood pressure is so high! You need to take some deep breaths and make a little room for HUMANITY!

-- Just Sunshine (, April 10, 1999.

Fingernsnaps L & L!! Just gettin' to know ya, but I believe in things like friends, love, angels, good and evil, and GOD. Hope you both get the respect you deserve. Hey sunshine - you and me could make beautiful rainbows!!! misty@shine_on

-- misty@shine_on (, April 11, 1999.

Congratulations! Many happy returns!

Another 19+3/4 years and Hubby and I will catch up to where you are :-) You'll hopefully be 20 years further on, showing us kids how to LIVE!

-- Tricia the Canuck (, April 11, 1999.

Congrats Lon,

Hope you make the big five oh! like my mum and dad!

-- Andy (, April 11, 1999.

Continued blessing be upon you. Its those tuff times you had, your obviously healthy respectful attitude for wife and family that will get you through the next 40 years. God Bless...its nice to read something like this on the forum instead of all the flaming that goes on. Lots of hugs coming your way.

-- Taz (, April 11, 1999.

Lon and Linda: Congratulations! Hubby and I celebrated 19 years this past March 8th. What a wonderful thing to be able to live with the one you love and who loves you in return. I pray that you have many more years together. (Sorry the 'high blood pressure' person had to spew on such an upbeat and encouraging post.) In Christ's love, Linda

-- newbiebutnodummy (, April 11, 1999.

Best Wishes & congrats on lessons learned and life lived.

More to come!


-- Diane J. Squire (, April 11, 1999.

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