Lately every other post on this forum seems to be about Kosovo or Clinton.

IF (this is a big "if") the bombing in Kosovo is partly meant to obscure the open dissemination of Y2K facts, to divert public attention away from Y2K and its economic effects, then WOULDN'T YOU AGREE IT'S WORKING?

If WE cannot stay focused on Y2k, how will the public ever possibly get it?

-- Just Asking (asking@nowhere.com), April 06, 1999

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I don't think this is meant to obscure anything. However, I have considered that this is a spin up of the military industry in an effort to slow or even avoid the predicted recession that many economists forecast as a result of Y2K. The question should be 'Is this a preemptive strike against possible recession/depression much as FDR used government pump priming to pull the U.S. economy out of the Great Depression?' Public attention is not yet focused on Y2K as evidenced by the lack of preparation undertaken to date - both personal and professional.

-- Tom (no.name@nomail.com), April 06, 1999.

I think that most citizens realize by now that this is a convenient war- much as fighting Eurasia in Orwell's 1984 novel. It would seem possible that y2k could be a diversionary tactic for us to forget that Clinton is our President, but that doeset work, does it?

-- churchorganist (musicswede@webtv.net), April 06, 1999.

Excellent point, Just Asking. The occasional post to this forum about a current event or, more rarely, a personal crisis, is very welcome. It makes a break from the business of Y2K and lets us know there are other things going on in the world, gives us some perspective. But the number of non-Y2K posts has increased immensely in the very recent past, almost all of them of the extreme right-wing conspiratorial view. Even if the posts were middle-of-the-road or (perish the thought!) extreme left-wing/NWO, I think we run the risk of turning newbies off with so much political stuff. That's not what they come here for--they come here for Y2K information. As it is we're fulfilling the wildest dreams of the Y2K debunkers who like to see us as fruitcakes. I'm beginning to wonder if some of these posters aren't Mr. McCullagh in disguise, creating material for his next Time article!

Please, those of you who want to get into heavy political debate, can't you go to one of the forums set up SPECIFICALLY for that very subject? Ed Yourdon has asked that we keep more on topic and cut down on the ranting. Unless you can find a more direct link to Y2K than martial law (which is fully covered in the archived threads and can be referenced any time), please tone it down, otherwise Ed might go to a closed forum.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), April 06, 1999.

Tom, I've also considered this is a tactic of the military monster to insure that our economy keeps running long and strong in order to avoid a likely recession from the results of Y2K. You might even call it a preemptive strike to head off the inevitable.

It's the mega corporations, who not only profit during a war, but who also call many of the shots concerning the decisions. The great God of Economics, the DOW, GNP and GDP must be served and infused with blood daily. The Stock Market was over 10,000 yesterday; I can see the war machine gearing up for production. Didn't I hear we're very low on missiles? Better get crackin'. What better way than this.

Churchorganist, Clinton is just a figurehead for the real powers that be. If you doubt this, ask yourself why gasoline prices rose so dramatically in the last 30 days, even factoring in the two plant explosions in CA.

-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), April 06, 1999.

Old Git:

WADR, Y2K is not going to occur in a vacuum. Any event which changes the appropriateness of specific preps, or the availability of specific preps is on topic.

JMNTBHO

Chuck

WADR = With All Due Respect

-- Chuck, a night driver (reinzoo@en.com), April 06, 1999.

I absolutely agree with you, Chuck. However, when the number of Kosovo-related bandwidth outweighs its Y2K-related counterpart, then there's something amiss. I know you're circumspect in your postings, but others aren't quite so conscientious. Most of us are not utter imbeciles on this forum: we KNOW Clinton is an arsehole, we KNOW Kosovo is a quagmire, we KNOW it's diverting attention and resources away from Y2K, we KNOW things go on that we know nothing about, we KNOW all that. Let's just stipulate all those points and quit flogging the horse, dead or alive though it may be. You ranters out there, please notice I am not saying don't post about peripheral matters at all, I'm saying let's keep a bit of balance. And posting support remarks or new Clinton or Kosovo threads under other names doesn't work--when I see what is purportedly a newbie posting on Kosovo and never posting anything about Y2K, I smell a rat. Newbies are attracted here because they've found us linked with Y2K matters--we're not listed anywhere under "Kosovo R Not Us." I'm definitely not a Clinton supporter and I think Kosovo is a mistake, but I'm getting a little cocnerned about the obsessive nature of some of the Clinton/Kosovo rants.

Anyway, here I am using up more bandwith complaining about the amount of bandwith used on Kosovo matters. That's it, I've said my piece, I'm not going to keep coming back with the same old, same old.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), April 06, 1999.

There really out to be an emoticon for rolling one's eyes. Anyone know of one?

-- No Spam Please (No_Spam_Please@anon_ymous.com), April 06, 1999.

Some of these threads are beginning to challenge the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory as a showcase for psychological kinks. Which can so easily become tedious.

Let's get back on track. Or fold the tent.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), April 06, 1999.

Yugoslavia has a bit more than passing relevence to Y2k. Yugoslavia serves as a current and convenient exploration of media spin. This spin may be extrapolated to Y2k reporting. It's a view into the minds, tactics, and attitudes of those in "control" -- and it's pretty much the same minds in both cases.

-- Nathan (nospam@all.com), April 06, 1999.

An emoticon for rolling one's eyes? A suggestion-

RU@@?

(Are You Nuts?)

-- Robert Sturgeon (rsturgeon@calwest.net), April 06, 1999.

Good point, Nathan. The point of a lot of the "OT" posts is that WE CANNOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT OR THE MEDIA TO TELL US THE TRUTH!

That's why these seemingly off-topic posts are indirectly related to Y2K. There is a lot of information coming from the government and the mainstream media about Y2K readiness. These examples show why we should NOT believe them when they tell us all will be well come Y2K.

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), April 06, 1999.

I was wondering if anyone else has considered the possibility that this action is a way of prepositioning troops and assets in the region before y2k hits? Maybe we're in the midst of a campaign to intimidate Russia, North Korea, China and make them think twice about future actions at a time when our guard might be down a bit?

Mike =================================================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), April 06, 1999.

Your theory has some merit. Unfortunately, if true, this would have to be among the most ham-handed, reckless methods I could imagine by which to implement it. The cavilier destruction of people and property has no justification on "humanitarian" grounds, much less for the purpose of positioning forces and sending signals. And, depending on how long this goes on, the fighting in the Balkans could easily backfire, leading to more conflict during the rollover, not less.

-- Nathan (nospam@all.com), April 06, 1999.

Was'nt it Gore who recently said you can't change a leapard's strips. And you know who he was referring to. No you can't change a leopard's spots. The White House spin on everying from "The War " to "Y2K" is very noticable. That's why this forum is so valuble, and if some things seem to be off the subject of Y2K, if it has to do with govnment spin, then it is right on target for Y2K. Its good to have a forum were people can think for themselves and not just be fed the party spin. Whether it's to the right or to the left, if it has to do with spin, lets keep it on the forum.

-- thinkIcan (thinkIcan@make.it), April 06, 1999.

I think we are all intelligent enough that we can discuss more than one issue at a time. In my opinion, watching how our government (and others around the globe) handles an emergency with "refugees" is very enlightening.

-- none (none@none.none), April 06, 1999.

Old Git, in a way I agree with you, and you always post such good stuff. But, I think that many of us have done most of our y2k preps and are kind of in a holding pattern. I work outside during the day, but my husband and I take turns on the computer of an evening.

I admit I like to discuss the various scenarios about the Kosovo situation with others on the forum. One reason for this is that none of my friends know, or much care, what is going on, and frankly they aren't much interested in talking about it. So I'm guilty of liking to talk about it. However I do feel that international affairs do affect us all, in one way or another.

-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), April 06, 1999.

Have you considered that this attack is part of the UN's process of acquiring world dominion? I don't know you, or what your eternal position is, so please bear with me if I seem to be coming from left field. Every time that I see or hear anything about what is going on over there, I feel strongly impressed by Jesus that this is what we can expect to happen here - it'll just appear more....civilized....something on the order of an event that causes a state of emergency - like Y2K. This impression that I get leads me to wonder if the UN is, and has been for a while now, removing people from their homes, herding them to "shelter", and eliminating the Christians, or at least detaining them. Like I said, I don't how this will set with you, or others that will read this, but I feel overwelmingly impressed that this is all part of a meticulously planned "process", and that we will be the last country to be conquered in this economic takeover - Rev 13:7-18. I would like to hear from anyone else that discerns something similar.

-- Pete Balk (YouNic@aol.com), April 07, 1999.