How do we trust what we hear?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
When Mr. Clinton was going through his impeachment trial, he made statements that the country needed to get through with that procedure so we could attack the y2k problem. Well, that trial is now over and I haven't heard a whole lot about how our government is handling the computer problem. Now this administration has side-stepped the issue by getting us involved in someone else's war. Please, somebody out there tell me how I can place any faith in any of the news releases concerning our government's dealings with the y2k issue. All I hear out of Washington are lies, Lies, and LIES! How do you trust anyone who deliberately lies in order to protect his own image? If Mr. Clinton would lie under oath, what will force him to tell the truth in this case? If anyone has an answer to that, let me know at firstname.lastname@example.org
-- Larry Wayne Trapp (email@example.com), April 05, 1999
Thanks Wayne, but for the sake of Political Correctness could we PLEASE use some other term besides LIE. I will through in 'contradiction' as a replacemnet for you know what. Any other ideas?
-- Ray (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 05, 1999.
I find it very hard to believe what the gov is telling me as well. That's why I don't really listen to them anymore and I continue on with my preps. Hope you do the same.
-- shellie (email@example.com), April 05, 1999.
The government has definitely put itself into a tough position in several ways:
1) Having taken a position (a few days preparation, no blackouts, etc.), the must either stick with it or produce convincing evidence that this position is no longer tenable.
2) Having hired a PR firm to get out the good news, they have abandoned most of their credibility, unless the *actual* news is quite bad. Any good news will be understood as PR hype, regardless of its accuracy. They can't communicate genuine good news anymore!
3) If actual failures begin to 'contradict' (good one, Ray) the 'official' government truth, Koskinen's replacement (after his being sacrificed) will be forced to be a messenger of bad news. Not a good career move for anyone.
If the government wizards had deliberately tried to make it as hard as possible to inform the public effectively, the could hardly have done a better job.
-- Flint (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 05, 1999.
"If the government wizards had deliberately tried to make it as hard as possible to inform the public effectively, the could hardly have done a better job."
If the government wizards had deliberately tried to make it as hard as possible to succeed in the Balkan intervention, they could hardly have done a better job.
But Napoleon said, "Never ascribe to malice what can be satisfactorily explained by incompetence." (No doubt in the original French.)
So far, I vote for incompetence. Granting that, anything becomes possible.
-- Tom Carey (email@example.com), April 05, 1999.
Words of Art:
For purposes of this discussion, "contradiction" refers to the act of lying one's stinking butt off.
incompetent malice ???
Sorry, losing it.
-- WebRNot (Webrnot@ncap13k.com), April 05, 1999.
I think you're actually close to something there - how about malicious incompetent ignorance? This might be defined as incompetent officeholders, appointed primarily based on their loyalty to a specific political leader, who intentionally (and maliciously) ignore anything which their political leader deems to be embarassing or otherwise unacceptable.
just a thought,
-- Arlin H. Adams (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 06, 1999.
Larry, I think your bluntness is appropriate. If we are concerned about being politically correct, then Ol' Slick wouldn't be in office! Just remember, the fail-safe test to know whether or not he is lying is to watch carefully to see if his mouth is moving. This goes for most politicians in DC and most of the media.
-- winna (??@??.com), April 06, 1999.
The simple answer is that you CAN'T trust what the government( and especially not Clinton) tell you. They are liars, and their words and promises mean nothing. Don't trust the government in this, or any other matter. Prepare yourself, and ignore the government's lies and propaganda.
-- Crono (Crono@timesend.com), April 06, 1999.