I don't think Y2K Pro is a computer/technical person.

I am not a technical person but I read all the technical posts here to see the complex conversations. I don't understand most of what you technical people write, but for me it gives this forum credibility to see that technical people with experience offer information. The thing that interests me is how much most of you seem to know about your area of expertise. You can communicate in the techno jargon to each other.

I have noticed that everything Y2K Pro posts I can understand. That seperates him/her from the rest of you technical people. Hell, even I'm capible of writing on the level of Y2K Pro, and technically, that's very simplistic.

Everytime Y2K Pro rants only generalities are spit out. Even when you ask Y2K Pro a technical question he/she comes back with excuses and non-technical responses.

Y2K is not on the level of computer understanding that you computer people are, that is my observation.

IMO, Y2K Pro is a fraud.

-- monique (me@home.here), April 05, 1999

Answers

Monique, very observant!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 05, 1999.

Monique,

Just an observation. If your car had a problem and you took it to 2 different mechanics, which one wouuld you trust. The one who threw many technical terms at you that may not be correct but sounded techie or a mechanic who could explain your problems in general terms so you could understand. There are a lot of supposed computer people using this site, I am one of them. And most who claim they know how bad it really is are not that knowledgable about the industry as a whole.

-- ???? (????@?.?), April 05, 1999.

Y2K wannabe pro is part of the problem, not the solution. Maybe he is a Klinten mole??? contributing to the confusion. REMEMBER..."WHAT THE PEN WRITES THE AX CANNOT CUT OUT". That was the basis for the Russion disinformation campaign.

-- j. cricket (mroid@culo.com), April 05, 1999.

j cricket - I think your brain is about the same size as Jiminy's. Y2KPro has stated he's doing Y2K work for the airline industry more than once. What, exactly, do you think 'part of the solution' is?? Someone spouting the end of the world crap?? Or someone ACTUALLY working on the problem?

Just curious,

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), April 05, 1999.

His handle gives him away. Y2k hasn't even occurred yet, so how can he be a "Y2k Pro"? Say something long enough and it starts to sound right...

-- Nathan (nospam@all.com), April 05, 1999.

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If I brought my car to a mechanic I would like him to explain a problem to me in terms I can comprehend. Although I'm always learning, so if technical terms were given to me it would be increasing my knowledge once I grasped them.

But, if the mecanics were talking among themselves and I observed one to be talking on my level, with very few technical input, and the others talking technical terms, I would probably figure the simplistic one didn't know much.

-- monique (me@home.here), April 05, 1999.

Y2K Pro is either a fraud, or he is not nearly as well versed as he says he is.

I challenge Y2K Pro to come out of the closet. Post your company name and give us a detailed explanation of your job description. After all Pro, if "IT professionals are so confident about the future" as you put it, what have you got to be afraid of?

-- a (a@a.a), April 05, 1999.

Or he could even write us a little piece of code displaying the sysdate and days function to tell us what the sysdate is today in days, and what it will be in 300 days.

-- Lisa (hat@trick.or_something), April 05, 1999.

Good observation Monique - In this particular case, I would recommend most closely "listening" to the mechanic offering the most conservative, most safe, remedy for your family. The truth is,of course, that we don't know what will happen - the most severe, most damaging troubles will most likely come from those problems (and the responses to those problems) that are completely unexpected - that "fall between the cracks" of remediated company systems and unremediated companies, or between two remediated (but untested) programs in the same utility and company.

So - I am very skeptical of anyone who bluntly says anything about Y2K issues - they are the ones who don't know enough to know they are ignorant! Or who are perhaps experts in one small field, but know too little across too many areas to know how little they know in all the other fields.

This is a system-wide, process-wide group of simultaneous, multiply-linked intermingled goup of potential catastrophic failures and same, limited simple errors.

And any "Y2K Professional" should be wise enough to know that we cannot predict the impact of this combination. I would listen to to the mechanic who counsels caution and safe driving ahead, and who knows that it might be the semi-truck behind you whose systems might fail that will kill you on the highway.

-- Robert A Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (Cook.R@csaatl.com), April 05, 1999.

I agree that Y2K Pro is a fraud. Just yesterday, I asked him for his comments on some of the statements from the Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine post here last week. His reply - "Nice try. I seek to keep my job" Come on now, he is about as anonymous here as one can get. Why should he be afraid of his job? I don't think he has a clue about the aviation industry, and that's why he won't answer questions! <:)=

Y2k Pro ?

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 05, 1999.

Sysman,

I agree with you 100%. It was your attempt at meaningful dialogue with Y2K Pro that prompted me to post my observation.

-- monique (me@home.here), April 05, 1999.

Sysman, Y2K Amateurs comment about being afraid for his job is indeed phony. If all is going as well as he/she says then he/she ought to be singing it from the rafters.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 05, 1999.

Ray, Monique and Sysman - are you guys involved in Y2K for any company? We haven't had the pleasure of knowing your place of employment. If you think everyone involved in Y2K can just announce where they work, you're not as bright as you say you are.

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), April 05, 1999.

Deano,

"Y2KPro has stated he's doing Y2K work for the airline industry more than once."

That is a lame statement. If I were to tell you 3 times that I am a software designer would you believe me? If I were to tell you 20 times does that make it any more true?

-- monique (me@home.here), April 05, 1999.

Deano, yes I'm involved in a Y2K project, and I've been programming for 31 years. If I get asked a tech question, I give it my best shot at trying to give an answer. I also prefer to be anonynous here. I don't care who Y2K Pro is or who he works for. I just find it suspect that he can't offer any real answers. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 05, 1999.

Deano, I'm retired. I also am not telling most everyone on this forum that they are nut cases. Y2K Amateur has taken a position with regard to y2k which basically infers that there will be no problems or very minimal problems. NO ONE KNOWS what will happen as a result of y2k. This is why the majority on this forum favor preparing for some degree of problems.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 05, 1999.

Deano,

I am a registered nurse. I do a lot of my work on the computer, but I know nothing about programing or fixing.

My point, in the original post at the top of this thread, is that Y2K Pro sounds about as technical as I do, which is not very.

I have been reading Sysman's posts here for awhile, and it is very obvious that he is a technical person. In other words: he speaks the lanquage. Y2K Pro does not.

It may not be necessary for Y2K to post the exact name of his company, but how about a job description. And how about answering some questions from the techies to show that Y2K Pro is answering for himself/herself not parroting what someone else says.

Y2K Pro would have to engage in some ongoing dialogue with the computer pros here in order for me to view him/her as credible.

-- monique (me@home.here), April 05, 1999.

I guess this is the part where you guys lose me.

Sysman - you don't say where you work but you give Y2KPro grief for not giving his place of employment. Pot calling the kettle black?? pretty damn close anyway.

Ray - I think Y2KPro only calls you nuts when it's warranted. Usually when it's the end of the world scenario or something like that that's being discussed. Millions dying......those type of ridiculous topics.

Monique - I've been in the business for over 20 years. Currently a Y2K project manager at a fortune 500 company that's completed everything. All that said, I can't speak the geek either and have no desire to. IMHO (can't believe I just typed that!) it doesn't matter if you can talk a good game or not. Actions speak louder than words everyday.

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), April 05, 1999.

What don't you understand here Deano? How many times do I have to say it? >>> I DON'T CARE WHERE HE WORKS!!!!! <<< I want to know why he can't give us any solid answers. Got it yet? <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 05, 1999.

As far as I can tell, Y2K Pro, Mutha, Norm, and a host of other optimistic contributors to this site, are actually only a few masquerading pollyannas. Note that on their new forum

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb237006

where every self respecting pollanna has chimed in, Y2K Pro, Mutha, Norm are conspicuously absent. Could this be because this new server, unlike GNIABFI, displays the poster's IP address? The "Big Three" on these sites are

IP address	Name
----------      ----
208.211.53.40   Doc Paulie
151.164.57.173  CPR
206.99.225.3    Doomslayer

Could it be that there are really only three pollyannas here? Looks like it.

-- a (a@a.a), April 05, 1999.

Nice catch a! Many here have suspected this for quite a while. If these guys have nothing to hide, maybe they'll check-in over there and "identify" themselves. I won't hold my breath though. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 05, 1999.

Any comments regarding a's theory Y2K Pro, Norm or Mutha?

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 05, 1999.

Thanks, a, I've been trying to sort out the anonymous pollyannas for some time now. BTW, Doc Paulie is a "reformed" 10+ who's come down to a 2.5, based on utility progress.

Hard to tell who's who.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), April 05, 1999.

I found it interesting that Y2K Pro spelled realize with an "S" (as do many Europeans and Australians) and asked if he was from the U.S., but no response.

-- none (none@none.none), April 05, 1999.

My theory is that Y2K Pro is Paul Milne during his manic phase. Makes as much sense as anything else on this thread.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), April 05, 1999.

Could it be that Deano and Y2K Pro are one in the same? Writing styles are the same.

-- monique (me@home.here), April 05, 1999.

yeah RAY:

(_O_)

Pucker up.

-- Mutha Nachu (---@puckerup.sucker), April 05, 1999.

Mutha, I Feel Your Pain !!! As one would say.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), April 05, 1999.

I see Mutha is making another valuable contribution to the forum. I have suspected what you are full of for quite a while now Mutha. Now I know. <:)=

PS - You never did reply to my truce offer Mutha. Would you care to cut the crap, so to speak, and stick to presenting your point of view from that of an adult?

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 05, 1999.

Sheesh!

Look what happens when ya leave for a little while.

I had constructed a (very) long-winded response to Monique and her retinue of ill-educated gas-bags, when I thought, "why bother". I'm sure I could stand on my head and defecate quarters and it would not be good enough for some people. So, here are some short answers to many idiotic questions.

1.)Monique, I don't care if you don't believe me. I'm not here to argue with horse-blindered semi-literate GIs. I simply like to point out the fallacy of some of the Cults arguments for the benefit of newbies who may be wrongly persuaded.

2.) "Klinton Mole"? Is that similar to a Klinton blackhead?

3.) "Post your company name and give us a detailed explanation of your job description." Stuff it up your shiny heiny, fart-lips. I have never claimed to post on behalf of my employer - besides I have signed something called an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement).

4.)" I am very skeptical of anyone who bluntly says anything about Y2K issues" Gosh Bob PE (is there anything more pretentious than someone using a professional designation on an Internet forum?) I'll keep that in mind the next time I see one of your sub-moronic Y2K diatribes.

5.) Sissyman said "I agree that Y2K Pro is a fraud. Just yesterday, I asked him for his comments on some of the statements from the Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine post here last week." Is this the same Sissyman who just last week wanted to bury the hatchet? Hypocrite. Just what did you want me to comment on? They were not questions, just statements taken out of context. Ask a question and I will try to answer.

6.) "I found it interesting that Y2K Pro spelled realize with an "S". Someone is spending far too much time on this forum - me American - educated in the U.S. and Canada where I learned to spell colour with a "u" and realise with an s. Sue me.

"On January 1, 1999 they will experience many more, and it will be much more difficult to sweep them under the rug. On April 1, 1999 we will all watch anxiously as the governments of Japan and Canada, as well as the state of New York, begin their 1999-2000 fiscal year; at that moment, the speculation about Y2K will end, and we will have tangible evidence of whether governmental computer systems work or not."-- Ed Yourdon

"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world. I have hoped for this all of my adult life." -- Gary North

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), April 06, 1999.

Gee Y2K Pro...what a professional sounding reply...fart lips, was it? Is that technical jargon from that important "Aviation Industry Y2K Consultant manager" position of yours?

Y2K Pro is a Y2K shill.

-- a (a@a.a), April 06, 1999.

Yes Y2K Pro, I did say that I wanted to bury the hatchet. I suggested that we stick to the facts, and stop the name calling. Have you, with the fart-lips and sissyman crap? Who is the hypocrite here Y2K Pro?

Speaking of facts, I haven't seen a single "fact" from you. Just the same "why bother" type of answer you just gave, and that same old Gary North link. We all know what motivates Gary. What motivates you? My truce suggested that we keep this on an adult level. My adult opinion is that you are a fraud. Why can't you prove us wrong? We're not asking who you work for. All we want is a little evidence that you have at least a clue. So far, I haven't seen any, and I don't expect that I ever will. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), April 06, 1999.

Yes as a matter of fact it is. "Fart lips" and "fart catching" are important phases of the remediation step. Glad you're learning something...

-- Y2K pro (2@641.com), April 06, 1999.

Y2k Pro, you act like the south end of a north bound horse.

-- (mybit@cyber.space), April 06, 1999.