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from http://195.89.1.232/990329-000020.htmlY2K MONOGRAPH
The Police Perspective Of The Government and The Populace Responses To Y2K
WARNING!
This page is informational and of a general nature. However, if you decide to purchase the monograph viewing you need to be forewarned that the information presented there can be troubling and distressing as it deals with what occurs during a breakdown of social structures. More than that, it raises the unthinkable that police and military will not be able to control and very possibly might not report for duty. Almost everyone finds it to be a sobering event to consider. The positive side is that most have found that, although a heavy feeling goes with the information, the reality of what might occur is tempered by the solutions available. With this warning, we know you will find this monograph to be invaluable and likely life saving should the circumstances depicted become a reality.
What you are about to read is not a prediction of the mathematical probability of the occurence of computer related disruption of the practice of living in societies as we know it. There are many far more qualified to make these predictions than we are. The belief of the magnitude or duration of service disruption must be your responsibility just as it is regarding whether or not you insure yourself for your protection or the protection of loved ones or whether you need to insure yourself at all.
What you will be reading about is what we as police officers have determined to be serious effects of threats to our families and what our experience has shown us is the best way to protect against those effects. It is not the cause of the threat, in this instance Y2K, but the effect of the threat that we need to concern ourselves about. There are untold numbers of threats that can bring about disastrous effects on our lives. It makes no difference how we are threatened but how we respond and survive.
We have no way of knowing if we will be involved in a traffic accident, shot at, trapped in a burning building, in a building at the epicenter of a 6+ Richter Scale earthquake, or downstream from a flash flood or ruptured dam. What we DO know are the effects or consequences of those threats if we are not prepared to avoid or to mitigate the danger of those threats. We cannot say that Y2K is going to disrupt our society as we know it, but we CAN and WILL say what needs to be done and HOW we will protect ourselves; and the consequences if we don't!
It will be the rare individual who is able to make a determination of Y2K threat based upon first hand knowledge. Propaganda, a neutral term although often now given a negative conotation, is abundant on the subject of Y2K. The same data is available to each individual who chooses to look for it and yet we have all types of responses to the data. As we talk to audiences we begin with a simple survey which asks the audience whether they know nothing of Y2K, something of Y2K, or everything they need to know about Y2K. Generally the latter two responses are most often encountered.
The follow-up question asks what degree of danger they believe there is for disruption to society by Y2K and some say none or very little, some say a serious but short headache, while others believe it will be a fatal heart attack. A strange answer often given, and in significant number, is that they are going to average between the extremes and prepare for the middle ground. This may be the most dangerous of beliefs as will be explained later.
Jacques Ellul, a French author of great renown, in one of his best works titled Propaganda, addresses how and who propaganda impacts. Most literate people are of the belief that unlearned, or uneducated, persons are most easily impacted and swayed by propaganda. Jacques Ellul offers that those individuals, for example peasants or laborers, know what they know from their experiences, and from those close to them whom they know and trust and see; they are least swayed by propaganda.
In reality, Jacques Ellul argues, it is the educated who are most susceptible to propaganda for it is they who consume vast volumes of unverified and unconfirmed information and data without much chance of determining the truth or accuracy of what they receive and pass on. This transfer, whether in conversation or other transmission is again unverified and unconfirmed. Those who do attempt verification often do so based upon their prior propaganda created base.
This monograph is propaganda, but it is verifiable because many of you will have life experiences and common sense which you will be able to apply as verification; and verification begets verification. You will also see in this monograph, information and concepts in sharp contrast to prevailing informational and commercial wisdom so readily adopted by so many "prepared" people. You can then test the conflicts and question further if necessary.
We, the authors', respect the technical expertise of many people as they present their beliefs as to the potential malfunctions in the technical arena. We respect them to the extent that we believe there is a significant potential for societal breakdown. Our, the authors', experience doesn't tell us that, but our verification of the credentials and motives of those persons is sufficient for us to make preparations.
On the other hand, we see many of these same technical computer qualified people, as well as others, making, or supporting, tactical preparations which may not be tactically sound in light of very real and probable threat conditions should their technical predictions prove correct. They have stepped out of their area of expertise and their information or knowledge transfer in tactical areas should be questioned and verified with those who have tactical expertise.
Police expertise and experience does tell us, though, what is the likely outcome of predicted technical problems and what steps we as INDIVIDUALS must, and must not, take if we are to achieve the desired goal for our families and ourselves to be safe and secure. If that is your goal then you very likely are going to need to re-think your approach and preparation.
What you will find in the monograph is not only what is likely to happen if Y2K becomes a serious problem but the WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and HOW of dealing with it. Our exhaustive review of Y2K publishing, to this point, shows at least 80 percent of the preparations and tactics promoted are WRONG, or at best less desirable, and wasteful. If you live in an area with a population of over or under certain numbers, or in certain states or regions, or with certain conditions, or without those conditions, then you need to know the preparations necessary for each of the conditions. There is not only one contingency necessary to contingency planning; changing one condition requires creating another contingency plan.
If you would like a background as to the reasoning for why there will likely be a computer problem, click on Background or if you feel that you have a full understanding of the technical Y2K problem and the conditions the problem can create then click on the Y2K Monograph link below.
Copyright 1998/1999 Police News Publishing. The information contained in this monograph is copyrighted and may not be published, copied, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed or transmitted without the prior written consent of Police News Publishing.
-- a (a@a.a), March 30, 1999
Monograph ExcerptsThese excerpts follow the CopsRUs premise and position that we are not able, nor do we attempt, to predict what infrastructure problems Y2K might directly cause, but we can say, and do say with good certainty, what the effect of a significant shutdown of systems will cause. For those few who have eyes to see and ears to hear and realistically prepare as presented in our Monograph, they can expect, regardless of personal wealth, to prevail and survive.
If Y2k causes a serious deterioration in essential services, there will very likely be no police to protect you because they will be away protecting their own families.
If the military is called proactively, or to fill a public safety void, they will very likely be accepted by the populace at first but become more of an occupying force because their purpose will be to restrict the civilian population in order to sustain the government; something this nation has never suffered under. This will be explained in detail in the Monograph.
These excerpts are set out here to give you a feel for what you will receive from the purchase of access to the entire Monograph as well as the appendices.
Part One
Chapter 1 - The authors state, "We are told that Y2K is the first advance notice, date spcific, disaster warning that mankind has faced and because of this advanced notice mankind will prepare for and overcome Y2K before it develops. In reality the following examples of historical incidents contradict that oft repeated optimism and assurance and show why all but a few will not be ready even should the event be relatively minor."
Chapter 2 - The authors state, "Y2K has become one of the biggest, if not the biggest, single subject propaganda campaign to confront the people of the world. The propaganda comes from governments, businesses ducking responbility and businesses marketing Y2K. People are consuming volumes of uncomfirmed and unverified information. The only way one can sort through the fact and fiction is to utilize the three pronged propaganda evaluation technique. Government officials finally admit that fatalities will likely occur as a result of Y2K problems. Even though this gross understatement gives a clear indication of the seriousness of the problem. In a report..."
Chapter 3 - The authors state, "Our society is a house of cards and the more global the interdependence, the larger and more fragile the card house becomes. It is not only computers, or power, or fuel but rather a whole range of factors which can bring the house down. If one structural card fails, the other 999 in the house fail."
Part Two
Chapter 4 - The authors state, "U.S. military ground forces, army and marine, have been so depleted during the 1990s that there are now approximately only 495,000 army and 175,000 marine corps personnel available in service, and 30 to 40 percent of those are deployed "out of country" in various areas of the world."
There are nearly 800,000 law enforcement personnel in the U.S. and they have difficulty controlling 2 to 3 percent criminal. How will 670,000 military personnel control 40 percent of the hungry and thirsty people overall and 90 percent in many concentrated areas? With the help of the national guard and reserve members you say? Not even with them and they won't probably be available at any rate."
The military relies on the civilian infrastructure to exist, e.g. water, fuel, food, power. If the civilian infrastructure fails so does the military."
The military families must be taken care of or their will be mass desertions. If the military brings families on base the base infrastructure will collapse more quickly."
Chapter 5 - The authors state, "The 800,000 U.S. police cannot control most localized disturbances in their urban areas without some assistance. They will be overwhelmed if there are general population disturbances involving entire urban areas across the country."
Surveys of police across the country indicate they do not believe they should be required to sacrifice family safety and that was never a consideration of their employment. They will not report for duty (just as many regular and reserve military personnel will not) and there is no government entity that can fill this void."
Chapter 6 - The authors state, "The government must step in and attempt to establish and retain control of the infrastructure and population prior to breakdown. This sequential extra-judicial implementation, while at first accepted, may well itself add significantly to the problem. Here are probable first steps and a likely scenario and timetable."
Part Three
Chapter 7 - The authors state, "The answers being given and the solutions being offered are at best in many instances ignorance and in many instances intentional deception. If everyone were to follow most of the proposed protections being suggested the sad result would be virtually no different than if there was no no preparation at all. It is indeed sad to think of people finding that steps they took in good faith and monies they expended were of no effect relative to to a serious and high probability societal breakdown."
Chapter 8 - The authors state, "Contingency planning is essential to successfully coming through any upheaval of our routine way of life. Contingency planning means not a single plan for a single event but rather a plan for each conceivable twist or turn in a single event. It means having a contingency for a contingency. An often heard plan people make is that since they don't know whether the Y2K problem will be slight or major they will plan for an in between severity. That's the old "averaging" approach. The chances are two to one that they will have poorly prepared. Thats not planning or perparing; that is misleading ones self. Here are samples of successful contingency. Even with limited resources one can be effective if utilizing contingency planning."
Chapter 9 - The authors state, "Those terrible '20 year shelf life foods' and even those delicious grains may present some real problems for you. At best they are excessively expensive. Twenty year shelf life is good only if you don't use it and is surely not the length of time you will use it. There are some short term health considerations one should make. Let's take a fresh look at our food needs and answers. There are great alternatives.
Chapter 10 - The authors state, "People regularly ask how long they should prepare for. They wonder what the difference is between needing supplies for a day, three days, a week, a month, or a year. Many often want to know if it is a good idea to set aside supplies sufficient for twice their anticipated need. They wonder how to determine the amount of cash to have on hand. If you believe you have the answers to these seemingly simple questions and you base your answers on the current conventional Y2K wisdom you had better listen. Answers are simple but the correct answers are more complex. For instance lets look at the duration of problems and what that poses for our planning; it actually simplifies as the windows of consideration are small. For instance..."
Part Four
Chapter 11 - The authors state, "Regardless of physical, personal or financial limitations of individuals, there are simple solutions to the problem of a safe and comfortable existence during the duration of a reduction or loss of essential services. What takes place in simplest terms is that people take control of their own predicaments and, with preparation and knowledge, they take charge and care of there own needs and do not rely on strangers others outside of a close social circle. These are examples of how one goes about the gathering and protection of essentials and creating the best location and conditions for existence."
Chapter 12 - The authors state, "The below listing and sources of foodstuffs and methods of preparation will provide you with a tasty and familiar menu at savings over what you probably have traditionally spent for the same or similar food. Don't be taken in by all the survival hype. With proper planning and preparedness there should be little alteration of your familiar diet absent years of non-commercial food production and under those circumstances there will be a gradual and non-tramatic transition."
Chapter 13 - The authors state, "If you are not able to leave your home area, there are several contingencies which provide for better security than is available, and will be available, to those who are simply in the storing mode. The threat to the safety of 'store and stay at home' people is potentially fatal. This is the most dangerous plan a person or family can undertake and yet is by far and away the most planned option. Let's look at viable options.
Chapter 14 - The authors state, "There are three basic security defenses that we should all understand and be aware of, for if the breakdown occurs we must rely on our own abilities and those whom we find ourselves among. Those who do not like or possess firearms can defend themselves and their families as long as they understand these three defensive consepts. The The first defense is called 'similar resource'. The substance of 'similar resource' is that..."
Chapter 15 - The authors state, "Now that you have the inertia how do you sustain it and when does the big push begin? Let's review and capsulize what we've discussed. Beginning with the first premise...".
Appendices
The appendices are separate from the Monograph, which is available to every purchaser of the Monograph at no charge. It provides the information on the specifics of who, what, when, where, why and how much. It will discuss the best types of areas and specific areas to locate should that be a persons plan.
If you are looking for actual locations, costs, sources and contact persons you'll find them in these appendices. You will find locations, directions, and processes to acquire either the temporary use, or permanent ownership of the use, of lands of up to twenty acres and more; free except for a small registration fee under $100.00 paid to the government. This isn't hype. It has existed for more than 125 years and is utilized by millions of Americans and non-Americans who have sold, traded, willed, and inherited this type land through generations. The authors, police officers and their families, have enjoyed this land use for the last 20 years.
-- a (a@a.a), March 30, 1999.
a, do you have the correct URL there? Could only find the front page of The Register and failed to find a reference to the monograph.
-- Addled Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), March 30, 1999.
Whenever I see a "warning" beneath a hot link, I don't click until I find out more. Who are the authors?
-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), March 30, 1999.
Sorry - senior moment...CopsRUs site
-- a (a@a.a), March 30, 1999.
If you presuppose a situation, your imagination can certainly run away with you.
-- doomslayer (1@2.3), March 30, 1999.
Better to prepare a year too early than a minute too late.
-- a (a@a.a), March 30, 1999.
a, (does that stand for ASSHOLE)?This monograph is propaganda, but it is verifiable because many of you will have life experiences and common sense which you will be able to apply as verification; and verification begets verification. You will also see in this monograph, information and concepts in sharp contrast to prevailing informational and commercial wisdom so readily adopted by so many "prepared" people. You can then test the conflicts and question further if necessary.
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-- IGI (IGI@propaganda.here), March 30, 1999.
IGI: (does the "I" stand for "idiot"?):Most literate people are of the belief that unlearned, or uneducated, persons are most easily impacted and swayed by propaganda. Jacques Ellul offers that those individuals, for example peasants or laborers, know what they know from their experiences, and from those close to them whom they know and trust and see; they are least swayed by propaganda. In reality, Jacques Ellul argues, it is the educated who are most susceptible to propaganda for it is they who consume vast volumes of unverified and unconfirmed information and data without much chance of determining the truth or accuracy of what they receive and pass on.
-- a (a@a.a), March 30, 1999.
a, Looks interesting, how can I get the complete monograph?
-- monique (me@home.here), March 30, 1999.
Well, for $19.99 or is that $1,999.00?
-- doomslayer (1@2.3), March 30, 1999.
whoo hoo a. looks like you really struck a chord with the DWGI types...good job! Arlin
-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), March 30, 1999.
"Surveys of police across the country indicate they do not believe they should be required to sacrifice family safety and that was never a consideration of their employment. They will not report for duty (just as many regular and reserve military personnel will not) and there is no government entity that can fill this void."No, there IS one entity left that can fill this void, and in fact is obligated to do so: the Militia.
The militia, according to Federal law, is composed of every able-bodied man or woman between the ages of 18 and 45, who is not either an elected official, a sitting judge, or engaged in the transport or handling of mail.
-- sparks (wireles@home.here), March 30, 1999.
Gee does that mean I will have to spread racial hatred to perform my militia duties??
-- R. Wright (blaklodg@aol.com), March 31, 1999.
This site has been on the Internet for months. I thought every man, woman and child GI had read it for FREE, ages ago. You mean to tell me all the self proclaimed brains on this site are just now finding it.
-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), March 31, 1999.
SORRY I HAVE NO COMMENTS ON THIS ,NEVER HAVEING READ IT AND NEVER PLANNING TO DO SO...I'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR 30 YEARS SO ...BUT ID LIKE TO ANSWER R. WRIGHT ON HIS COMMENT ABOUT THE MILITIAS..I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR OVER 30 YEARS WITH ONE TYPE OF MILITIA OR ANOTHER...AND IN ALL THAT TIME I'VE HEARD ONLY TWO PEOPLE MAKE ANY RACIAL COMMENTS...ONE WAS A STUPID SHIT WHO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT JEWS!!....AND 10 SECONDS LATER FOUND OUT MY BLOND HEADED BLUE EYED WIFE WAS HALF JEWISH,AND AS A RESULT WE JUST STOPPED HAVEING HIM AROUND...THE SECOND WAS A MEMBER WHO MAD COMMENTS USEING THE "N" WORD....THE PROBLEM WAS...HE WAS BLACK!!...I WON'T GO INTO THAT ONE CAUSE I REALLY LIKE HIM AND WHEN WE STOPPED YELLING AT EACH OTHER WE STARTED LAUGHING!!...ANYWAY...PLEASE "STOP" GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM THE "TALKING HEADS " ON CBS....NBC....OR WHEREEVER!!....MY DEAR OL MOM CAN TELL YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ON ANYTHING....AN LONG AS TOM BROKOW TOLD HER FIRST!!1....GO OUT AND MEET PEOPLE AND TALK FOR YOUR SELF!!..ASK QUESTIONS!!...HELL CONTACT...WWW.MOM.COM MILITIA OF MONTANA...ASK THEM...THEY WONT LIE..YOU MAY NOT LIKE SOME OF THEIR ANSWERS IF YOUR PRO GOVERNMENT BUT THEY WONT LIE!!....SO...SEE YA...GOOD LUCK IN THE COMEING BAD DAYS!!....OH!!...ONE OTHER THING...IM NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T FIND A LOT OF RACIAL HATRED..YOU CAN FIND IT IN ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RACE ..COLOR ...OR CREED...YOU CAN'T PICK YOUR FAMILY BUT YOU "CAN' PICK YOUR FRIENDS...MINE ARE ALL MEN AND WOMEN...I NEVER NOTICED THEIR SKIN COLOR..I JUST KNOW THAT IF THEY WILL STAND AND FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM THE DICKHEADS IN WASHINGTON THEN THATS GOOD ENOUGH...SORRY TO BORE YOU BUT FELT THE NEED TO SAY THAT...GOD BLESS AMERICA!!......PLEASE!
-- TJ REEDER (montanaman69@hotmail.com), March 31, 1999.
-CITE-10 USC Sec. 311 01/26/98
-EXPCITE-
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA
-HEAD-
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.
-SOURCE-
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Sept. 2, 1958, Pub. L.
85-861, Sec. 1(7), 72 Stat. 1439; Nov. 30, 1993, Pub. L. 103-160,
div. A, title V, Sec. 524(a), 107 Stat. 1656.)
-MISC1-
Historical and Revision Notes
1956 Act
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Revised section Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at
Large)
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311(a) 311(b) 32:1 (less last 19 June 3, 1916, ch.
words). 32:1 (last 134, Sec. 57, 39
19 words). Stat. 197; June 28,
1947, ch. 162, Sec.
7 (as applicable to
Sec. 57 of the Act
of June 3, 1916,
ch. 134), 61 Stat.
192.
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In subsection (a), the words ''who have made a declaration of
intention'' are substituted for the words ''who have or shall have
declared their intention''. The words ''at least 17 years of age
and * * * under 45 years of age'' are substituted for the words
''who shall be more than seventeen years of age and * * * not more
than forty-five years of age''. The words ''except as provided in
section 313 of title 32'' are substituted for the words ''except as
hereinafter provided'', to make explicit the exception as to
maximum age.
In subsection (b), the words ''The organized militia, which
consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia'' are
substituted for the words ''the National Guard, the Naval
Militia'', since the National Guard and the Naval Militia
constitute the organized militia.
1958 Act
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Revised section Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at
Large)
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311(a) 32 App.:1. July 30, 1956, ch.
789, Sec. 1, 70
Stat. 729.
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The words ''appointed as . . . under section 4 of this title''
are omitted as surplusage.
AMENDMENTS
1993 - Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 103-160 substituted ''members'' for
''commissioned officers''.
1958 - Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 85-861 included female citizens of
the United States who are commissioned officers of the National
Guard.
-CROSS-
CROSS REFERENCES
Congressional power to provide for organization, equipment,
discipline, and government of Militia, see Const. Art. I, Sec. 8,
cl. 16.
Declaration of intention to become a citizen of the United
States, see section 1445 of Title 8, Aliens and Nationality.
-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), March 31, 1999.
I hope God blesses you and yours, Mr. Reeder.
-- Kofe (your@town.USA), March 31, 1999.
gilda: I reposted this because1) the site's content has been updated
2) the format has changed, it now offers "lurid details" -- for a price
3) newbies have probably never seen it.
Sorry it ticked you. Now take back that crap about all us self proclaimed brains before I have to get my crying towel.
-- a (a@a.a), March 31, 1999.
Has anyone subscribed and does it deliver as well as it tantalizes? Particularly tantalizing was the opinion that preparing for a middle-ground scenario is the wrong strategy (which is what many are doing). I won't ask you to quote their material, but "was the advice worth it?"
-- Debbie (dbspence@usa.net), March 31, 1999.
Sorry I was so testy a@a. I read it a long time ago, and I hadn't checked back recently. I thought they were just stating their case-- was amazed at the charge.OK I'm agreeable, I take back that crap a@A, you did a good job posting it.
-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), April 01, 1999.