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Everyone keeps talking about how this Y2K thing is going to cause so many problems, and I do agree. However, I think one problem that WE all have to think about is the fact that the world seemes to be dividing off into two sides over this whole Yogoslovia thing and I think WWIII is not out of the question! Please everyone tell me your take on the situation! I would appreciate it!
-- A (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 28, 1999
Who would have ever thought that gas prices would shoot up .50+ a gallon in one week. And who would have thought that Billy would end his legacy in a potential WWIII. Frankly, I'm tired of playing the guessing game, either we're toast or close to it.
-- ~~ (~~@~~.com), March 28, 1999.
I wonder if billy jeff is trying to upgrade his image from "the worst administration since Warren Harding" to "he got us into a World War by accident"...
-- Arlin H. Adams (email@example.com), March 28, 1999.
Arlin, I know you hate the president. Many others do also. I try to read everything on this forum, and your political agenda wastes my time and makes it difficult to get the most out of the kind efforts of the real GI's. Please confine such anti-diatribes to one of the many I-hate-Clinton web sites available for your enjoyment. Thanks in advance, Uhm...
-- Uhm... (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 28, 1999.
Good point A. I have done quite a bit of reading of our recent (50- 99) coorporation moves from a government manuever viewpoint. I just could not understand why we as a nation would support things like south america, haiti, indonesia, iraq, bosnia, and now kosovo, and then go to church on sunday, and re-elect these power blind freaks back in. Found a bunch of subversive crap that was just blind anger, found a bunch of milita sites that seem to want their own country. I watch puplic and cable news channles, read the washington post, and the baltimore sun. I have watched each administration since nixon totaly abuse their power and slaughter life over and over again.
We are now using the american-euro miltiary to bomb iraq, and the entire nation of yugoslavia.
At one point the world is just going to say "Thats it. Were poor and don't really care about your coorporations." They will shoot back in mass. We will probally kick there ass, but then we also won't be able to make any money off of them, basically shooting ourself in the foot. Then our big bro will spout the same old we saved the world for Democracy line.
Or.... the nukes just might come out, and I really hope to see you all on the other side.
-- R. Wright (email@example.com), March 28, 1999.
"The rusted wire that holds the cork That keeps the anger in.... gives way...And suddenly its day again... The sun is in the east, even though the day is done. Two suns in the sun set, could be the human race is run..."
Rodger Waters....(Pink Floyd).....(loosely quoted by memory)
-- helium (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 29, 1999.
" A " I have no take on your question, except that what I feel is, like Billy is driving on ice and he has approached a bridge too fast! Get the feeling??? He is now going too fast and He can't stop the car.
But let's remember that the Govt has it's fiscal year starting in Oct.99, right? Well, is it not the way for the Military to spend all it's weapons during a war situation before Congress will appropriate more money for new weapons???
Perhaps this situation in Kosovo is just that. Spending up the arsenal the Military has already so it will get more next fiscal year. It's been that way for years, has it not???
Sad way to spend the taxpayer dollars, have a war to get more money!
Just my thoughts, sometimes they count.
-- Furie (email@example.com), March 29, 1999.
Uhm: Why did you waste YOUR time answering Arlin? Arlin has every right to voice his opinion and if you don't like it, refrain from answering him or any other thread you don't agree with.
-- wastenotwantnot (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 29, 1999.
Wars are unpredictable you never know how things may turn out. Pray for peace. We may be entering the y2k end game were major military powers jockey for position before the major breakdowns occur. It's a dangerous world out there and many nations are not pleased with the politics of the trans-national corporate govts. Prepare for all possiblites but stay positive and hopeful it may turn out better than we expect.
-- y2k aware mike (y2k awaremike @ conservation . com), March 29, 1999.
Maybe we have a whole lot of weapons that aren't Y2K comptatible so they need to use them up- you know- use em or lose em......
so, let's hope the russians don't have a bunch of y2k non-compliant nukes that can't be upgraded......
what i can't figure out is the selectivity of where and when we stick our face into other people's wars though- why Vietnam, and not ireland? why lebanon and kuwait? why Bosnia? And somalia but not the rest of Africa? Not that I'm suggesting that we get into any more than we already have, but I have never figured out why we get on our high horse about attrocities in some countries and not others, or protecting our "interests" in some but not others. and then- what would our response be if other countries decided to deal with the atrocoties in our country by bombing us? Or wanted to protect their stock interests or investments and did the same? We still freak over Pearl Harbor, but think nothing of raining down bombs on innocent people abroad.
-- anita (email@example.com), March 29, 1999.
Illiterate GI boob...
-- Y2K Pro (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 29, 1999.
Heard Micheal Feldman quip this weekend:
"If this is our idea of revenge for the Yugo, I think we're going a little overboard!"
-- coprolith (email@example.com), March 29, 1999.
I hear people asking, why Kosovo, if not Ruanda? why Kosovo, if not Chechnya? why Kosovo, if not Congo? Why Kosovo, if not Tibet?
I look at the map. I look at history, recent and earlier. Seems to me the answer is pretty clear. Conflict in the Balkans can easily spread to involve adjacent countries, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria. Greece is in sympathy with Serbia. A general Balkan war might very well bring in still other European powers, including Turkey. Russia's actions would be unpredictable. Such a conflict in Europe would affect United States interests in major ways, even if we miraculously were able to stay out of it.
Similar eruptions in Africa, the former USSR, Tibet, etc. would have far less consequences for the U.S.
Real-politik is always with us. So, sad to say, is the Law of Unintended Consequences. Our intervention in Yugoslavia has precipitated the initial phases of just what we were trying to prevent, the destabilization of the Balkans.
Tune in next week.
-- Tom Carey (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 29, 1999.
There'll be more nonY2K bad events happening before the Y2K rollover. Every month global conflicts grow progressively worse. April is the month of "showers"...
-- dinosaur (email@example.com), April 01, 1999.
There is no logical reason for this "adventure" - most especially, not any related to Y2K issues.
The miliaty definitely doesn't want to spend any money, any effort, or any munitions - it doesn't have enough to trainwith as-is. The humanitarium reasons fail when compared to real slaughters going on in Africa and Asia. It's too early as distraction form y2K issues next January - and is irrelevent anyway other than as a mass media distraction.
Look at the exact relevance of WWI and WWII and the hundreds of years of hatred built up in these people - it can't be solved by us, maybe not by anyone. The history of their successful resistance to 700,00 German troops in WWII - and the abject failure of Russian troops in Afganistan, of prior US failure in Vietnam, of the Ukranian resistance in WWII to the Germans - despite very real terror and genocide tactics by the Germans and Russians that NATO will not engage in - or the "humanitarian" activism to combat guerillas used by US in Vietnam -- shows that we cannot win this one.
So why are we fighting?
I dunno - maybe Albania gave more than Yugoslvia did to the Democratic National Committee. So we are on Albania's side in this war.
-- Robert A Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (Cook.R@csaatl.com), April 01, 1999.