Russia and China may be preparing for a war against us. (Chris Ruddy, newsmax.com)I would suggest all read. The beast shall rise in the east. The world will end in a ball of fire. We have all heard these statements before. Now you kick in y2k, and the articles by Ruddy, and a VERY SCARY picture begins to take shape. I know Chris, and he is no kook. I am not a bible thumper, but this picture does not look good. Beam me up; and send more booze!

-- SCOTTY (BLehman202@aol.com), March 16, 1999

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Lose the all capitals SCOTTY...geez...that's annoying and very narcissistic. Get over yourself and BREATHE!

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), March 16, 1999.

stand and be counted scotty:

there will be change like that of the catapiller to butterfly

this is the way the world ends

this is the way the world ends

this is the way the world ends,

not with a bang but with a whimper

-unknown

-- (aes2010@aol.com), March 16, 1999.

Not Armageddon, Scotty. But certainly the beginning of the end, if this scenario is played out.

Russia and China Prepare for War -- Part 6
Eleven Signs of a Russian Surprise Attack

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), March 16, 1999.

Interesting reading, but completely unverifiable. At any rate, when a nation is in the middle of a severe economic depression, it can act like a cornered animal...the only way it knows how. Consider that Germany was in the midst of severe hyperinflation when Hitler rose to power. The people had enough, and were willing to listen to lies in hopes of something better. The Russian people have suffered since the break-up of the Soviet Union, and with the continued fragmenting of country after country, the current powers are no doubt nervous and worried as well. Only time will tell if Russia becomes hostile. And based on the report, it sure looks likely. But a nuclear exchange is not what people should worry about. God will not allow wicked and greedy men to destroy the earth and the few innocents left in it. They better worry about what God is going to do, not what man does to man. There will be no end to the wars between men, because most nations are greedy and self-serving. After all, did not this nation drop TWO atomic warheads on Japan? Ever wonder why they dropped two? I had an uncle in the military...high up...and his reasonings should be the same as yours.... so quit worrying about governments....None of them will bring us what we really need...true peace and security...only God's Kingdom can... Dan 2:44 Sorry this isn't about Y2K, but neither was the article..so there ya go...

-- rick shade (Rickoshade@aol.com), March 16, 1999.

rick;

hard to find, easy to read (dan2:44)

so that it shall be of all men

" Kicking around on a peice of gound in your hometown: "

-----pink floyd

-- (aes2010@al.com), March 16, 1999.

OK, Rick, here's the Y2K tie-in:

Y2K BUG MAY BE "TRIPWIRE" FOR WAR

Coinciding with the continuing degradation of Russia's nuclear weapons are military problems they will soon experience as a result of the Y2K (Year 2000 or Millennium) computer bug.

Like all modern strategic weapons, Russia's nuclear arsenal is critically dependent upon computer technology. At the latest, by January 2000 -- less than one year from now -- the millennium bug may render that technology largely useless.

...This computer glitch could lead to widespread failure of many high-tech weapons systems, including nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, radar and even tanks.

Even worse, the millennium bug is in billions of "embedded" microprocessors buried deep inside missiles, tanks, satellites, and nuclear reactors. (Imagine the cost of taking a satellite "into the shop" for repairs or sending someone inside a nuclear reactor to locate a defective chip!)

The US military is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to correct its own huge Y2K problem. Russia, however, has neither the money nor the manpower to correct millions of lines of faulty code and replace millions of chips. Their official policy is "fix on failure;" that is, they plan to do NOTHING to repair their systems until they fail. My soon-to-be-published special report -- Y2K and Russia: Impetus For Nuclear War? -- details the enormous Y2K risks Russia is facing -- and Y2K's implications for you.

Another frightening possibility is that on January 1, 2000, Russia's radar screens and early warning system could go blank or falsely report incoming missiles. That could lead Russian military leaders to believe the US has initiated an attack, and launch a counterattack.

The Y2K-related failure of Russia's early warning system could even result in an automatic attack against the US. Most people in the West don't realize it, but Russia has long had a "doomsday defense system." This system is designed to enable Russia to survive a US nuclear first strike and to launch a devastating retaliation even if no commanders are left alive in Russia to issue the orders. This system is designed to automatically launch nuclear missiles at the US if an event occurs that the computer interprets as a Western attack -- such as a loss of satellite and radar systems. The default target of thousands of Russian strategic missiles are cities in the United States and Europe.

Well aware of this problem, US military officials have recommended that the US and Russia place observers in each others' nuclear control rooms next December, to prevent an accidental launch.

From:
Russia and China Prepare for War -- Part 4
Russia May Launch a Surprise Attack Against US

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), March 16, 1999.

I don't buy it,,it don't make sense.

At least untill 12-31-1999 we have the best earlly warning systems in the world, we can fly them in your window ( and the whole world knows it ),,and 8000 nukes may not sound like much to you, but it will get the job done,,,10 times over.

Our boomers are quieter than their attack subs and our attack subs are a black hole. With just the boomer fleet we can destroy every C+C+C, millitary base, and industrial city in Russia and China,,, 5 times over.

Nope,,if Russia and China are prepareing for war,,it will be the resolution of old ambitions. If Russia waits until Y2k takes out their millitary computers, China can walk right in. Russia can absorb all of China's delieverable nukes and reclaim China after it cools down.

JMHO,,,,got Iodized Salt?

-- CT (ct@no.yr), March 17, 1999.

whY DO I REmEmBER GAMeS, ANd dAISeY CHaINS And laUGhS?????

tHEY ALwaYS TRIED To keEp diETER ON ThE paTh!!!!!

-- Dieter (questions@toask.com), March 17, 1999.

bLUe On bLACk teARS oN a RiVEr coLd oN iCE A dEAd MANs TOucH

BlaCk oN WHitE maTcH on THe FirE RIghT oR wrONg It DON't mEaN MUcH

WimPER or A scReAM doES't mEAn A thInG wON't briNg yoU baCK

BLUE ON BLACK

-- CT (ct@no.yr), March 17, 1999.

for the poet in Dieter: http://www.active-stream.com/ASBcontm/ASp6.htm

http://www.active-stream.com/ASBcontm/ASp6.htm

-- Shelia (shelia@active-stream.com), March 17, 1999.

Take your pick,,,

http://www.fractals.com/fractal_gallery/uwe_krueger/room1.html

I never felt more like singin' the blues,,,

'cause I never thought,,,I'd ever lose,,

your love babe,,,you got me singin' the blues,,

I never felt like cryin' all night,,

every things wrong,,and nothin' is right,,

with out you,,you got me singin' the blues.

-- CT (ct@no.yr), March 17, 1999.

Thanks, CT!

http://www.fractals.com/fractal_gallery/uwe_krueger/room1.html

-- Shelia (shelia@active-stream.com), March 17, 1999.

Hey people,, Did you ever hear of propoganda?? Did you ever hear of the cold war? Think it was real? Your all talking about 3rd world countries and you know it. They don't stand a chance. Their corporatations need ours and vise a versa. No way would they let the system go.

-- R. Wright (blaklodg@aol.com), March 17, 1999.

Hello darkness my old friend,, I've come to talk with you again,,

The cold war?,,,It ain't over,,it's just shifted,,and I don't think we'er the target any more,,,JMHO,

-- CT (ct@no.yr), March 17, 1999.

"not with a bang but with a whimper"

Good eye, aes,

Or good ear. That's the tag line from the poem, "The Hollow Men," by T. S. Eliot.

Growing up with the nuclear paranoia of the 1950s, I remember it ironically. When I became apprised of our environmental crisis, I appreciated its perceptiveness. As a Y2K anthem, it is both trenchant and poignant---and, especially considering this discussion, exceedingly appropropriate. (Sorry about the formatting.)

Hallyx

The Hollow Men -- T.S. Eliot (1888-1965)

I We are the hollow men We are the stuffed men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! Our dried voices, when We whisper together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass Or rats' feet over broken glass In our dry cellar Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion; Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost Violent souls, but only As the hollow men The stuffed men.

II Eyes I dare not meet in dreams In death's dream kingdom These do not appear: There, the eyes are Sunlight on a broken column There, is a tree swinging And voices are In the wind's singing More distant and more solemn Than a fading star. Let me be no nearer In death's dream kingdom Let me also wear Such deliberate disguises Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves In a field Behaving as the wind behaves No nearer -- Not that final meeting In the twilight kingdom

III This is the dead land This is cactus land Here the stone images Are raised, here they receive The supplication of a dead man's hand Under the twinkle of a fading star. Is it like this In death's other kingdom Waking alone At the hour when we are Trembling with tenderness Lips that would kiss Form prayers to broken stone.

IV The eyes are not here There are no eyes here In this valley of dying stars In this hollow valley This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms In this last of meeting places We grope together And avoid speech Gathered on this beach of the tumid river Sightless, unless The eyes reappear As the perpetual star Multifoliate rose Of death's twilight kingdom The hope only Of empty men.

V Here we go round the prickly pear Prickly pear prickly pear Here we go round the prickly pear At five o'clock in the morning. Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom Between the conception And the creation Between the emotion And the response Falls the Shadow Life is very long Between the desire And the spasm Between the potency And the existence Between the essence And the descent Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom For Thine is Life is For Thine is the This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.

-- Hallyx (Hallyx@aol.com), March 17, 1999.

Amegedon? What's wrong with that?

-- Meg and Don (meg@don.org), March 17, 1999.

Note that the Senate just voted 99 to nothing to pursue an antiballistic missle program. That doesn't mean it'll happen (maybe we won't have enough time), but why were even they - who don't act like Y2K will amount to anything - convinced that this is a good thing to do?

More evidence that "...this picture does not look good."

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), March 17, 1999.

"Amegedon? What's wrong with that?"

Other than being misspelled three ways in one word?

I guess the reason "The Hollow Men" appeals to me, as evincing my take on Y2K, is the long, slow, dismal process of dissolution---or perhaps devolution in the Infomagic sense.

The stock market crash ocurred in 1929. But the depths of the depression were not reached until 1933. Y2K will hit on a given date, certainly. But the most deleterious effects will likely not be experienced for several months---and then may well continue for, oh...say ten years, if you agree with Ed Yourdon.

The Great Depression was ended by war. Even then the economy didn't recover to 1929 levels until 1954. How much longer would it have taken without the impetus of WW2? I think Ed's an optimist. But then, so am I. I still subscribe to the economic collapse scenario which, around here, is the hallmark of the Pollyanna.

Hallyx

The day the world ends, no one will be there, just as no one was there when it began. This is a scandal. Such a scandal for the human race that it is indeed capable collectively, out of spite, of hastening the end of the world by all means just so it can enjoy the show.--- Jean Baudrillard, Cool Memories, chapter 5 (1987)

-- Hallyx (Hallyx@aol.com), March 17, 1999.

ct, close, but don't mislead these dear people:

bLUe On bLACk teARS oN a RiVEr PuSH oN a sHOVe iT DON't mEan MuCH joKEr oN JAck maTCh On a fIRe coLd oN iCE A dEAd mAn's TOucH wHisPEr oN a SCreaM dOEsn'T chANge a THinG DOesN't bRInG yoU BaCk

BLUE ON BLACK

-- Lisa (Kenny's@girlfriend.here_in_austin), March 17, 1999.

give us a break. russia and china will be busy with their own problems. if countries DO go to war over resources, they will make war with their neighbors. if you look at a map, you will see that china borders on russia, so if anything, they will squabble with each other.

-- jocelyne slough (jonslough@tln.net), March 17, 1999.

Sorry about that spelling!

-- SCOTTY (BLehman202@aol.com), March 17, 1999.

Saturday, December 12, 1998

Mary appeared unexpectedly and showed Mrs. Mundorf a vision:

I see it is Springtime, because I see cherry blossoms near the water in Washington, D.C. Suddenly, I can see New York City and a monstrous ocean wave rushing up against it. I see a sign saying "42nd St." and the wave passes through a tall building and gushes out the other side, jetting water and shattered glass out the leeward windows.

Next, I am shown the Statue of Liberty, which has been bent at an angle due to the massive impact of the wave, and only her head and raised arm are showing above the water, and the torch is missing from her raised arm. All of New York City and Long Island is under water, as well as New Jersey, except for occasional islands of higher land.

I am given the understanding that around this time there are major cataclysms elsewhere. Volcanic eruptions in the North Western USA, which start a chain of earthquakes, reaching all the way down to California. I am shown the Golden Gate Bridge which is crushed by the tsunami, except for the northern (Marin County) end. Most all of California is in ruins.

East of the State of Texas, there is massive destruction that progresses all the way north to Canada, which appears to be like a long river or inland ocean. The Dakotas are mostly covered with water, as is much of the USA. Instead of the continent of the USA one usually sees, I see only scattered islands where the USA had once been.

I have been shown a large object hitting the Earth, which originated from space, and am given that this is the cause of the waves destroying the Eastern USA seaboard and heavily damaging the Statue of Liberty.

I was finally shown the White House in Washington, D.C., and it was collapsing under the impact of bombs in a war. -Patricia Mundorf "

-- general (general@war.com), March 17, 1999.

the Statue of Liberty, which has been bent at an angle due to the massive impact of the wave, and only her head and raised arm are showing above the water, and the torch is missing from her raised arm

COOL ! Sounds a little like Planet of the Apes

-- Blue Himalayan (bh@k2.y), March 17, 1999.

BTW, she also said:

My Dear Children, ... So much evil has been mitigated,--abortions stopped, and destruction by nuclear attacks has been averted,-- because of your prayers and Rosaries. God is very happy at what our faithful are accomplishing...

I have told you of the wars and terroristic threats against the United States. I did this to WARN you that this very possibly could happen. I did NOT want to frighten you, my children, but to warn you and ask for prayers for the mitigation of these occurrences. You have done well, my children.

-- Blue Himalayan (bh@k2.y), March 17, 1999.

Armageddon won't happen until after we become a moneyless society, going instead to bank cards and direct deposit. This is in the works.

-- Neva (marinermama@seanet.com), March 18, 1999.