I'm bringing this to everyone's attention, and the thanks go to Don Florence for posting the link on another thread.

Entire Senate Report translated in HTML format by Michael Goodfellow (who seems appropriately named I might add.)

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), March 03, 1999

Answers

For the sake of brevity, I'll delete the other thread. Meanwhile, my thanks to Don and Chris for finding this, and my thanks also to the mysterious Mr. Goodfellow.

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (ed@yourdon.com), March 03, 1999.

oopsy Don, I see we both posted a thread at the same time...sorry. Since mine has a hotlink and I gave you the entire credit for it, lets use that ok? ;-)

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), March 03, 1999.

You're welcome. And as I mentioned on the other thread, thanks must also go to the even more mysterious MaryR of Seattle, who alerted me to this find.

-- Don Florence (dflorence@zianet.com), March 03, 1999.

Thanks, so much easier this way.

-- Mike Lang (webflier@erols.com), March 03, 1999.

OK Chris! About time we got it in HTML. PDF has it's place, but not for something like this, IMHO. Thank ya! <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), March 03, 1999.

If anyone has trouble getting through on other sites, I have put the entire senate report on my site too. Big link right on first page.

buzzbyte

http://www.buzzbyte.com

-- Bobbi (bobbia@slic.com), March 03, 1999.

Thank each and every one of you for your kindness in getting this for all of us unfortunates who were unable to access. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

-- Linda A. (adahi@muhlon.com), March 04, 1999.

It was SO frustrating trying to get the Senate report! Thank you, Michael Goodfellow!

-- Shivani (odnsmall@aol.com), March 05, 1999.

You're all welcome. I've had hundreds of hits off this link since I posted the report, so there must be a lot of lurkers on this site! You might also want to read and pass around my overview article on Y2K (also off my home page). Not that any of you need it, but I've had good responses from people who've read it. It goes into the technicalities a bit more than other articles I've read, but is still accessible to a general audience.

I'm still trying to decide what to do about this situation myself! The Senate report wasn't that impressive. Desite all the testimony taken by the Senate committee, there's not much new information. It's mostly repeats of information we've read about from Gartner Group, Cap Gemini, World Bank reports. And a lot of what's there is dated -- some info is as much as a year old.

However, I can't help but feel that a really unlikely amount of work would have to get done in the U.S., Europe and Japan to avoid serious worldwide economic problems. That's assuming that the banks, utitilies, transports, and other *really* vital stuff gets done. Just general business failures from Y2K would seem to be enough to cause major problems....

In early February, I moved to the Washington D.C. area, with the altruistic aim of doing Y2K work for the feds, and being nearer my family. Now I'm looking at all this mess and thinking that perhaps discretion is the better part of valor! After all, if you see an avalanche starting on a mountain above you, it's not the smartest thing in the world to grab a shovel and head for the slope!

On the other hand, there's no chance in persuading any of the family to move. Perhaps the right thing is to get a cheap house in Virginia, hunker down, and hope to get through the worst. There will be lots of damage to clean up, that's for sure!

Any ideas?

Michael Goodfellow

-- Michael Goodfellow (mgoodfel@best.com), March 07, 1999.

Michael, welcome to Yourdon's forum, good to see Da Man in "person" himself ;-)

"The Senate report wasn't that impressive. Desite all the testimony taken by the Senate committee, there's not much new information. It's mostly repeats of information we've read about from Gartner Group, Cap Gemini, World Bank reports. And a lot of what's there is dated -- some info is as much as a year old. "

Yes, to most of us nothing in the Senate Report was news, but it is now "official" since it's from the gov itself. We've all found much the same things as the senate committee did, they could have asked us eh ;-) What is so special about this report is that it is...well, an official report of what we here have been saying, and it's a very good tool to add to our kit when trying to make people aware. One would think that Ed Yourdon's book and this Senate Report should turn many people around in their mind set and start to prepare. At the same time, it's a good tool for everyone involved in remediating Y2K public and private, to get an overview of where things are and where to concentrate.

I don't know what you can do for your family and trying to get them to move. Have them read Ed's book and the Senate report, the USPS audit report, and the CIA's. If they still aren't convinced, then it's the same problem as we have here on this forum with a couple of people who are very intelligent, but remain stuburnly optimistic. My own husband plainly puts his head in the sand and refuses to read the Senate report. He can't handle reality and face the prospect of losing his life-long work and business. He's still intent on staying here, while I'll be with the kids at our Y2K retreat.

It's tough Michael. This is like nothing I've ever experienced before; the stuburn refusal on the part of people to accept or see what MIGHT happen and take precautions. And all the white noise and spin messing up the picture. It's hard and time consuming for anyone to stay focused on the picture, most of us spend hours a day still doing research and separating fact from fiction. So it's easy to see how people who used denial as a mental self-protecting mechanism would not have the motivation to spend the time researching. Plus one must have the ability to grasp systemic concepts and effects.

You've stumbled on one of the best discussion forum on Y2K, so stick around, if nothing else it's a good place to relieve some stress with either deep discussions or light banter and sillyness ;-) And all the views are represented here, from a to z.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), March 07, 1999.