WRP 112

-- a (a@a.a), February 26, 1999

Answers

a,

Appreciate the link. Thanks.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), February 26, 1999.

a:

I've been witnessing and interacting upon this message board for about one month, yet I still don't know who you are. The E-mail address you provide is false; I know this because I've received error codes from the daemon mailbot.

What does the "a" signify?

Respectfully submitted,

Steven

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 26, 1999.

Steven: it signifies nothing. It was short for "anonymous" and easy to type in 8 months ago before I realized this site used cookies.

Kind of strange that you ask, because I had just had an emotional experience looking at the "a" in my posting and remembering my deceased father, who printed his "a"'s in the old English style, like it appears in this site's default Times Roman font. Synchronicity I guess.

-- a (a@a.a), February 26, 1999.

Dennis Chamberland's article is so poignant. He wrote about looking into his pantry: "I realized that if Y2K cut the power to my grandmother's bedside, she would not live more than three or four days as the supply of bottled oxygen dwindled to nothing and her medications ran out."

What most disturbs me about this passage is that it reflects the fragile links which old people and those paralyzed experience in day by day existence. My grandfather may not survive into the next millennium. He takes about NINE medications daily. Some have been disasterous, and other additional medicinal modifications have been most beneficial. What happens when he and MULTIPLE THOUSANDS of other ailing people cannot have that which they must absorb to sustain existence upon this fascinating planet?

Death.

Then I think of Old Git and others who are not able to sequester themselves into the safe confines of rural retreats. Although I am a gifted pessimist, reading articles such as this make things more worse than I care to fathom. I hope those who read this have faith in God because only God can help you survive that which shall certainly fall upon our Earth.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 26, 1999.

Amen. But I still think Ken Starr is a prick.

-- a (a@a.a), February 26, 1999.

a:

I'm sorry to read about your father. I hope he had faith in Jesus Christ and is now in Heaven.

I print my "a" in ancient Greek form (alpha). I don't know if Leonardo da Vinci did this backwards, but I feel comfortable about it even though others have puzzled looks when they view my printing, what with that and the deltas and epislons and taus...

:)

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 26, 1999.

God made man.

Samuel Colt made them all equal.

(women too of course)

-- Greybear, who hopes you save all the arguments about calibers, tactics, rates of fire, ballistics etc for somewhere else. This was a philosophic statemsnt.

-- Greybear (greyber@home.com), February 26, 1999.

Steven: he wasn't a particularly religious man, but a good one just the same. But here's a question for you: if Christ was/is God, then why do we have to believe in Jesus if we already believe in God?

-- a (a@a.a), February 26, 1999.

Dennis Chamberland reminds me of InfoMagic. Are these guys cyberbuddies?

I'd like to add that I discovered Ed's message board ONLY after I found out he linked to Cory's DC Y2K Weather Report. Some of Cory's comments are insightful. Others, particularly those pertaining to self-sufficiency, seem to lack the wisdom shown by GreyBear, Paul Milne and others who have sequestered themselves into rural retreats. At least Cory knows where he has to bug out on the third level WTSHTF!

Truly, I would HATE to be living in a metropolitan complex with no family or friends and NO WHERE to hide when the mass panic happens.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 26, 1999.

a:

Jesus Christ rose from the dead. He delivered me from demons when I cried out to Him one overcast Summer night in AUG87. Several days later I went to a Christian pastor (now deceased and with Him), and he cast seven demons from me. It was a VERY HORRIBLE EPISODE in my life, and I'm glad I was delivered. I'm not lying. There is a Heaven and a Hell. I've been invaded and possessed by demons, and I detest that they contaminated my soul. The 1980s were a dark period in my life, and I'm ashamed of it all. :(

There are *many* false gods, but only ONE LIVING GOD. He knows all; He is the Alpha and Omega. I'm sure you've read and experienced many things. I hope no one falls into deceptions from lying spirits, for their wiles are obvious and ever increasing.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 26, 1999.

Hogwash!

-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), February 27, 1999.

a

Your question goes right to the heart of the Christian gospel of salvation. It is simply the way God has decided is the best way to vindicate Himself from satan's charges and save those who violated life's laws. The question has always been: How can God be just and render the wages of breaking life's laws which is death...and .... forgive lawbreakers and grant them everlasting life without hurting justice? The answer is Jesus. God came in our place and obeyed perfectly and then paid our price on the cross. God now announces through His witnesses and servants the good news that by simply accepting what He has provided, a lawbreaker can be forgiven and live forever. "For God so loved the world (everyone) that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Some Christians will disagree with what I have to say next but it is my direct answer to your ligitimate question. There are many God-fearers in the world who do not think they have to accept Jesus to be saved. Christians will say they are wrong and quote two passages to prove it. "There is no other name given among men which men may be saved." Acts 4:12. And John 14:6, "No one can come unto the Father except through Me." -Jesus. He also said to His Jewish kin, "Unless you believe I am He, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24. Pretty direct stuff. And yet, I believe there will be God-fearers in Heaven who will realize only then... that Jesus is the only reason anyone is given everlasting life. Sinners will be judged according to what they know and what they reject but also according to God's grace and mercy. The Scripture says that when Judgment and mercy meet, mercy wins. The judge of all the earth will do right. Even with those who struggle to believe Jesus is God.

Believing in the divinity of Jesus is not the primary necessity to being saved. It does bring greater awe, worship, love and understanding...but THE requirement is "IF you believe in your heart that Jesus died for your sins and was raised from the dead and confess Jesus as Lord with your lips, you shall be saved." Romans 10:13

Go to http://www.ccci.org/laws for God's way to everlasting life It is the best page you will ever find on the web.

In His service and love, Pastor Brown

-- BBrown (peace2U@bellatlantic.net), February 27, 1999.

BBROWN:

I had seriously debated within my soul whether I should reveal personal details of my life to those in cyberspace. I want to be truthful and honest in all that I post. I have SEEN evil spirits manifesting themselves before they entered me. I've had my own consciousness SHATTERED by the results, which are truly HORRIFYING. I don't want anyone to suffer through that which I encountered. To lose control over one's sanity is heinous.

I like you and your proclamation of your faith. I know that's not very popular on this message board, but Ed realizes all posters have differing beliefs, and so he allows us to express our thoughts. Thank you, Ed.

Gilda has a right to express her views, even if I disagree. When I was in my late teens, I was atheistic to the core and wanted ANY EVIDENCE that there was a REAL LIVING GOD. One night at a drive-in theatre I wanted to "put the make" on a female and approached her and her friend. I was stoned on cannabis and feeling weird. As I approached her, I was suddenly pushed down to the ground and splayed upon my back with my arms stretched out as upon a cross. I lost control of my body and was freaking out. IMMEDIATELY I was taken out of my body and saw two demons upon my body. I cried out, "I'm gay!" and then came back into normal consciousness. True account.

I have faith that the Living God who created all things will help those who call upon Him when America gets hit with the Depression.

I've been conversing with a cleaning woman, age 58, who stated she is prepared because Christ is in her heart. However, she will may NO physical preparations and has joked that she'll visit me to eat beans should disaster befall our nation. She doesn't believe Americans will suffer through any major disasters. Here's the rub: Her parents lived in Tennessee; her father worked in a coal mine; when he saw the dwindling coal jobs, he moved away to his wife's parents' farm, and that's how they survived the Great Depression. Apparently she didn't learn from her parents. *sigh*

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 27, 1999.

Concerning Cory's WRP 112:

Late last night I printed out a copy and brought it with me to work this morning. I photocopied the full ten pages for a CNC coworker whom I'll call Maus. I photocopied Dennis's contribution and gave it to our Cost Accountant, whom I'll call Newt.

Maus is a fervent NRA member. He despises Clinton but doesn't take Y2K THAT seriously. Sure, he's considered it, but he's too busy living with his girlfriend and forgetting mortgage payments to take any concrete Y2K preparations. He recounted how his late Grandmother stored many items, such as coffee and other goods, in a spare room, because she thought there would be problems with the Year 2000. He said she was a Christian, so she's not here on Earth to witness what we shall experience. I'll wait until next week to query him about Cory's report.

Newt is a different person. Although he's a close friend with Maus, he's entirely different. As a cost accountant, he's encompassed with crunching numbers. He drives a black Aurora, works out at the local Y and is engaged to be married to a woman with two children, whose father died several years ago in Los Vegas. (a long story which I won't post). Anyway, I gave him a copy of Dennis's most excellent article regarding the Artificial Platform and told him that I felt he should give it to his fiance to read. After he departed from the factory, I went to his office and turned on the lights. I espied the photocopy on an extended open file cabinet drawer. Hmmm... I'll have to remind him to give it to her next week.

Sometimes I think women are smarter than men regarding Y2K. Hopefully I can use Cory's publication to wake her up soon. Think it'll happen?

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 27, 1999.

Pastor Brown: You seem sincere, but you are sincerely wrong. Jesus said, "No man cometh to the Father, but by me. To believe in an undefined God does nothing to bring salvation. Jesus is the very definition of God. When you tell people that they can get to heaven by simply believing in God, you are helping them, instead, to insure themselves a place in hell. Jesus said, "You believe in God, believe also in me." With all respect, Pastor, you need to recheck the scriptures, and be very, very careful of the way that you present the gospel. Christians who are intrusted with the high calling of preaching the gospel will be held accountable for their words and deeds in a much greater way than will the average believer.

-- Glinda Nofzinger (A Believer@Peace.com), February 27, 1999.

Dinosaur, how very generous of you to think of me. I do have Sweetie, you know, and The Hungarian and the cats. Most of our neighbors are insular, except for an elderly couple across the street, who are salt of the earth types. We have the house on the market, hoping to move to a bit better place (but still near medical facilities), and there's a 50-50 chance we can sell it.

There's life in the old dog yet and I've already survived some pretty spectacular crises, so I'm not utterly pessimistic about Y2K. Even if we have to stay here, we're a lot better off than most urban dwellers--not financially, but in experience and ability to adapt. Both Sweetie and I seem to have a lucky gene apiece--no matter how awful things get, we always seem to scrape through. All I can say is thank God we're not still living in the apartment in downtown New Orleans!

I'm very touched by your concern, Dinosaur--thank you. I hope I've reminded others that there are lots of ailing folks out there, most far, far worse off than me, who simply cannot get to a safer place for one reason or another. I'm sure that those who live close to the handicapped or disabled will offer a helping hand. I can no longer drive, only a depth perception thing, so I know how difficult it is to get supplies when I need to and Sweetie or The Hungarian are too tired to go after work. Please, y'all, offer someone a ride if you see they can't drive. Even if they have a way to the store, they'll feel good that you offered.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), February 27, 1999.

Glinda,

Thanks for your post. I do not take my responsibility lightly. I believe that if you reread my post again you will see that I did not say a person could simply believe in God and be saved. If that were true then the devil would be saved. The question was how much a person has to believe about Jesus to live forever, especially whether He was divine.

I strongly believe He was divine and in the trinity. In contemplating the mystery of God's mercies and judgments, I believe there will be those in eternity who will only then learn of Jesus' divinity. I do not wish to debate this point in public. If you would like to email me, I would be happy to share what I believe about the wideness of God's mercy. I would suggest a book by that very name by Clark Pinnock, "A Wideness in God's Mercy".

Yours and His, BB

-- BBrown (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), February 28, 1999.

The devil is a liar, and no truth is within him. Jesus cannot lie, so whatever He says is good news and the truth!

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), March 05, 1999.