When do YOU expect the Great Depression to start in America?

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This is a serious question which I have pondered since last year. I DO know that God will severely punish America for gross sins committed constantly in His presence. I think that Y2K is a red herring, and that judgment will fall BEFORE Y2K. This is the BIG SURPRISE which shall shock everyone!

Perhaps during the GPS rollover in August, perhaps during the next nuclear exchange between certain Asian countries or perhaps due to some other significant crisis in other foreign countries, subsequently there will be a massive panic in America, and ungodly Pandemonium will prevail. The stock market will crash completely. Commerce will deteriorate into very ugly problems involving bank runs. You'll witness shocking newscasts of riots and various infernos in major cities. The minority who have prepared will be somwhat secure, but the general populace which finally gets it will panic in the extreme. Very, very bad times are ahead.

Does anyone out there in cyberspace have the same impression I have that America will suffer a heinous economic collapse BEFORE Y2K? If so, then what are your reasons? Please tell me the truth. I would like to hear from Old Git, Paul Milne, Corie, Runway Cat, Flint, Sysman, a, BigDog, Greybear, Leska and other long time posters.

All trolls' rants will be read and then consigned to the dustbin of detritus. :)

Nearing extinction,

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 20, 1999



I expect that another Middle Eastern war between Israel and the Arab nations will be the first major event of 1999, probably in early May. I think the Palestinians will effectively start this war by declaring an independent state and claiming East Jerusalem as their capital.

If this happens, it will probably be devastating to the world economy (can you say "oil"?). Since most fundamentalist Arab nations consider us to be almost as bad as Israel, we could be in for terrorist attacks if we side with the Israelis in this conflict.

All in all, I think 1999 is going to be a very tough year. Not just for the USA, but for the whole world. And I'm thinking 2000 won't be any better.

-- Nabi Davidson (nabi7@yahoo.com), February 20, 1999.

Dinosaur, I also believe we will see an economic collapse before Y2K. I've felt that way for over a year. I keep telling people that Y2K is only one spoke in a very large wheel.

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), February 20, 1999.

there is no god.

-- ... (athiest@whocares....), February 20, 1999.

..., prove it.

-- fly .:. (.@...), February 20, 1999.

Hi Dinosaur,

personally, I'd bet on it happening *after* the rollover - I'd expect the effects to *start* being felt the latter part of Jan '00 when all of the folks who haven't been able to work for the last 3 or 4 weeks can't make rent payments, or for that matter afford food...then continue to roll on out through the next three or four months as the impacts of various foriegn manufacturing and supply failures are felt here in the US.

and quite frankly, I think God is just letting us do this to ourselves...


-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 21, 1999.

OF COURSE YOUFOOL!!!!!! has not dieter beeN VERY DEpRESSEd LATeLY???? WHY Would GOD BRing moRE DEPREssION UPoN DIeTER????? I AM ON A MISSioN, TO EXPOSE INfIDELS, And fools, and CRETInous Bungholios!!!! Why is dieter depressED????IS THer not ENOUGH SAdness LUrKINg NOW???? SOINDEED,,, TO RETurN TO YOUr QUESTION, The depression hsas alReadY BEGUN!!!! WHERe ?? IN DiETERS MInD!!!!!STOP!!! HAlt1!! DO NOT INSERT moRe pins in DIeTERS SPLEEN!!!!!

buT TO BE MORE sPeCIFIC-03-01-2000 WILL BE tHE starT OF THE bigONE! @!!!watch anD BE AMAXZED!!!!

-- Dieter (questions@toask.com), February 21, 1999.


Just how is it that you KNOW that God will punish America, soon? I don't get those signals are clearly as you apparently do. America today is sinfull, no doubt. But why does the immediate future *necessarly* hold Gods punishment. How come we didn't get whacked pretty hard for the War of Northern Agression? How come we haven't been whacked for the abysmall treatment of some of our minorities? I just can't make the connection, not that punishment isn't just, but why the timing you are so sure of?

As to all other bad things you mention that may occur. Many of these aspects of out possible future have been discussed here individually ad naseum. Lumping them all into one (for most) pretty-hard-to-swallow bolice acts like a magnet for trolls and the terminally optimistic that hang around here. (as I expect the following threads will prove)

I think I might know what's happening here. You may be like me - scared sh!+23ss. I do now and have before confessed this. I'm scared for my children and all our children. I'm scared for Liberty. I'm scared fo r kindness and compassion. I think they may all be thinned out in the future.

The problem is that no one KNOWS. Each here has their own area of interest and/or expertise. We each have a piece of the elephant. We are sharing and each is trying to put together his/her view of the probabilities. There is NO one right answer. There are as many right answers as there are people (and exactly the same number of wrong ones too)

I'm not accusing you of scare mongering, just suggesting that you parse your ideas up and try them out one at a time. If our immediate future DOES hold significant acts by God then there is nothing you can do in the way of physical preps anyway. Those preps should all be occuring in you heart. (Not a bad idea in the best of times.)

As to the exact nature, sequence, magnitude and severity of events in our future caused by Y2K, the economy, moral terpitude or Dick Clarks hair style - Hell, I don't have a clue. Well, actually I think I have a *clue* (or two) but that's about all. My opinion is that things are not goin to be anywhere nearly as good in the future as they are now. They probably will be pretty tuff. But the preparations I've advocated are those that one shold do anytime - prepare to take care of yourself, prepare to defend you liberites, prepare to help others. You do these things WELL enough and you will be as ready for the future as anybody else.

OTOH if you were trolling for vitriolic, sorry you missed me.

-- Greybear, who doesn't do impressions

- Got Facts?

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), February 21, 1999.

Depression has started in this here little town. Winery and many of the stores have gone bye bye during the last year. And this is one of the most desirable areas to live in for hundreds of miles.

That's OK for now. We want to look poor during the coming year.

-- fly .:. (.@...), February 21, 1999.


I'm not playing jokes. I'm truly depressed about the judgment which will destroy our country. I wish it would NOT happen, but my spirit is burdened by the evil in America. I am troubled by many signs. My only hope is that God will have mercy on my pathetic soul through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Got saving faith?

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 21, 1999.

there is no god.

-- ... (athiest@whocares....)

That's funny. The Bible says the same thing.....

Only in front of those words, it says, "The fool hath said in his heart...."

-- none (none@none.none), February 21, 1999.

It is now more commonly referred to a the GREATER depression. My guess is that it will start with war in the middle east (or ex soviet southern provinces, and or in Korea) sometime after the middle of 1999. The US will probablly lose this war.

-- dave (wootendave@hotmail.com), February 21, 1999.

OK, I'll take it that you are sincere. I would not presume to say the following to you had you not first expressed you Christian faith.

You are useing the premis that you believe that these events are Gods will.

>I'm truly depressed about the judgment which will destroy our country. I wish it would NOT happen

If it is trully Gods will being carried out, you should, at lest, be at ease with it. Shurley you don't really mean that you wish Gods will would not be carried out.

>my spirit is burdened by the evil in America.

Any sane persons spirit would be. ANY evil shold be a burden to ones spirit. But it's a burden for two to carry.

>My only hope is that God will have mercy on my pathetic soul

He already has, son, in more ways than you know.

-- Greybear

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), February 21, 1999.

Didn't you ever read the book of Jonah, Greybear? God had Nineveh marked for destruction, but spared it when the people repented. THEY CHANGED GOD'S WILL WITH PRAYER. GOD WAS PLEASED. Read before you spout, OK?

-- jonah (belly@the.whale), February 21, 1999.


I'm depressed too. I think He will give us the hammer. If I have to bear the rath, I will. I also don't think America can be saved as in jonah, she's much too far gone.

If it's His will, His will be done. I cry sometimes when I think about my wife and children, but can only console myself in thinking it's best it happens, or He wouldn't do it.

always faithfull (well mostly faithful, and that's whats scares me)

-- Rick (blaklodg@aol.com), February 21, 1999.


I, too, believe that America will be judged. However, I am not attempting to guess when. I have tried before and missed! :> Just keep preparing and you will be ready when it happens.

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), February 21, 1999.

I am neither a troll, nor part of the old guard. But I do know that if anyone else had written "God will severely punish America for gross sins committed constantly in His presence," they would have been severely chastised, flamed, flogged, discounted and consigned to the unGodly dustbin. But since you cloaked your psychological pathology in the word of God, most responders just pandered to your fears of "Nearing extinction." Personal epiphanies have risen too.

This doesn't mean your possible scenarios, of what might happen are wrong, but to blame it on God, is a stretch. It's the computers, and we've done a nice job all by ourselves, thank you.

If God didn't punish us for the Spanish Inquisitions, and while we were enslaving the blacks, and slaughtering the Indians and destroying their food supply at the same time, then why would he do it now. Sounds to me like you've a bad case of Millie fears. Wow, am I glad that my God is that kind, forgiving deity that allows for the humaness of human beings.

-- gilda jessie (jess@listbot.com), February 21, 1999.

From a purely secular perspective, if TSHTF, I suspect it to happen after 1/1/2000. I think that the US, Canada, most of Europe, Israel and Japan will be larely ready for Y2K, but that problems in other countries will ripple-through and cause big problems. How big? Lord- only knows...

War is my biggest fear.

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous.com), February 21, 1999.

How about...y2k ends the interconnected world or "city". Jealous countries, "confederated" against us try to take us, USA, and others down to plunder our wealth and remove us as the leader of the World. America seems doomed and the Captain of America steps in to save the day. The enemy is routed and sent home, what is left of them. Americans realize that in spite of our flaws there is a lot of good and life left in this country and then we begin to truly teach peace to the devestated countries of the world.

With the Morning Star comes the light of day and peace. We will have peace!

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), February 21, 1999.


This is my hope for us all. I pray that good will overcome evil. I think it just might happen in our lifetime.

Dinosaur, Parts of the world are already in depression. The powers that be will not admit it. Japan has been in depression for at least 2 years. Russia also is in depression. Most of the world is tettering on collapse. It's my opinion that if Greenspan would not have dropped the rates three times in November the entire globe would be in ressesion or depression right now. I beleive by July 1 things are going to look significantly worse on all fronts. This depression that the world will begin soon will not be acknowledged for maybe five years after it begun worldwide. History books will probably paste it beginning this year.

You have to wonder if GODS wrath has not begun when you look at some of the statistics worldwide. Off the top of my head I note that 500,000 North Koreans every year since 1995 have died of starvation. Someone is infected every second with Tuberculosis. AIDS is becoming resistant to the "drug cocktails"...they say. Off subject but "Locker Room" (those little bottles of stuff that people got high on by sniffing), in the opinion of Harvard doctors is the cause of AIDS. They predicted 10 years ago you would see less and less people dieing and that they were not dieing from the identified virus. Whats killing them they say is the cocktail of drugs being prescribed. What better way to kill off a bunch of homosexuals then bottle it. Put the disease right in front of there noses, maybe they thought.

I beleive if the world suffers anything more then depression over the next ten years it will be implemented by W.J.C. I also beleive that this period of chaos was planned years ago by the group of 300BIBLEBELIEVERS and WJC is the messenger for the evil power within.

May GODS Will Be Done


-- flierdude (mkessler0101@sprynet.com), February 21, 1999.

The group of 300 writings are located at tbe Bible Beleivers site. That didn't look quite right on my last post.


-- flierdude (mkessler0101@sprynet.com), February 21, 1999.


I think that the obvious effects of the global depression won't be felt in this country until soon after rollover. (Feb/March 2000?) The preconditions have been/are/will continue to be building up in many ways. There will certainly be several major events this year that will push it closer, (Mid East? Stock Market? GPS? Bank Runs/Holidays? Local Martial Law?) but I think the worst of the effects will barely be held off here until after the big Y2K breakdowns begin. After that, I think the slippery slope will turn into a free fall.

I think that some of the gods will view this as vengeance, while other gods will see it as a sadness. Kali, for instance, will view it as the destructive part of her destruction/rebirth cycle, while Trickster simply chuckles...

-- pshannon (pshannon@inch.com), February 21, 1999.

Are you talking North, Central, or South America?

-- Why be (puzzled@home.ca), February 21, 1999.

...and, pshannon, I'd sure like to know how Shiva, Pele, and Odin weigh in on the whole punishment issue.

Inquiring minds, ya know ;-D

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), February 21, 1999.

Loki is amongst us too.

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), February 21, 1999.

My 2 cents,

You know, I don't see God as a punishing God ... He is rich in love and mercy. That does not mean He is not just, He certianly is. But I really don't think God is going to punish American --- He allows us to make our own choices, which will have corresponding consequences. We are the ones choosing to live unwisely. We think our way is best and continue to look only within for answers. We need to look up, not within. He will help folks that look to Him.

A depression . . . yes, I think that is coming (when - I don't know). Is it punishment from God? I think not. We have simply brought this debacle upon ourselves as a consequence of poor, unwise choices, not the least of which is to walk away from God.


-- tim daniels (tim@commonsense.com), February 21, 1999.

*timelapse* I chainsawed a fallen tree for my grandmother, and am experiencing interesting back pain.

Thanks for all the feedback. I suspect I get overly emotional every time I read David Wilkerson's newsletters. I also had finished reading his latest book chapter by chapter. The tone of impending judgment was hotly imminent. But then when I reached the Summary chapter, I was emotionally deflated because he mentioned Y2K, then suggested there could be problems in 2002 and 2004. I had the feeling that he was backing off from his earlier suggestions of soon impending judgment.

Of course I don't know when America is going to be hit! But this extreme focus upon Y2K sometimes seems to overlook the other present dangers worldwide (noted in postings above) which could ignite panic MONTHS before the Y2K rollover. I'd feel much better if America prospered well this year, but there are OTHER countries suffering depressions and recessions, and in this global village, America will be the last to fall. Every firewall is getting knocked down.

I'm going to relate what a factory worker told me last week. His wife had been watching an acclaimed psychic on something called the Montel Williams' show (I don't watch any TV, so I missed it) and the psychic proclaimed that 1999 was going to be even MORE prosperous than 1998! When I heard that, I knew something was wrong. If every viewer believed those words, then no one would take any precationary measures. I think that's what the lying spirit(s) behind her want to happen. They are experts in brainwashing since they been doing it upon humans generation after generation. We're born on this Earth ignorant of their tricks and marked as new targets to deceive.

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 21, 1999.

I really think that we might be hammered in late 01. And I feel the dumb ass bible thumpers are OFF TARGET. As A Screamimg Bible Thumping Southern Baptist I feel YOU should provide for you and yourn. When you reach the end of the road then you need to do the wild thing. IMHO

Your brother in Christ(plus or minus 10 %) nine( BASE 10 HURTS ME)

-- nine (nine_fingers@hotmail.com), February 22, 1999.

I thought the market would have already tumbled by now. Maybe the greed just wont let it fall because the players wont give in to the reality of today's worldwide economic picture.

I do see a world gone mad later this year and into 2000. One question though about war... wouldn't that keep a depression from occuring?

Mike ====================================================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), February 22, 1999.


You know NOTHING.........

It's absolute idiocy that you and those of your ilk are professing......nothing more.

You're obsessed with a demented evil being that you call God, that is always punishing....always lashing out.

The GOD that you describe has nothing to do with the God of the Bible. You pick and choose what parts you want to satisfy your evil desire for destruction.

You cannot grasp the fulness of scripture and what the outcome is......what the good news is....

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of constantly having to stand up and refute your horrible misinterpretation of scripture. However, there is no bloody way I'm going to sit back and watch your bastardization of the truth.....

One more time dinosaur........God is not, nor will ever be in the punishing business again........You read the Bible as a child and have not yet grasped the basic facts....that is is not written chronologically........and the final outcome is guaranteed.

ALL punishment for sin was carried out on the cross. ALL will eventually be restored to God. Man's will is not superior to God's will.

Quit blaming all the world's problems on God........You continuously make a mockery of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice with your insistence that all he did on the cross was achieve a partial success.

You still have not received the gift of faith to believe in Christ.......you will one day, either in this age or in another age.....however, it certainly would be nice if you didn't cause so much disdain and loathing towards our creator with your disgraceful denigrating of his character.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), February 22, 1999.


Maybe we'll have the Depression first and then a world war. Wasn't this the pattern preceeding World War II?

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 22, 1999.

AND,..maybe we'll have something entirely different than human civilization has ever had before. Can your brain go there?...can you think without 20th century conventions? Be a think tank. Refuse to be ruled by all your training....imagine. (hint: this does not mean imagining war that wipes out human beings,...be more creative)

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), February 22, 1999.

Hi, Craig:

You're one funny guy!

OK, here are two paragraphs from David Wilkerson latest letter which I received 20FEB99:

"America's prosperity is rampant right now. Everything seems to be booming. The president tells us we enjoy the best economy in history. Stocks keep climbing. Real estate is at its highest peak. People are on a buying spree. More automobiles are being sold than ever before."

"And yet here I am warning that a depression is coming. Even some of my friends seem to tire of my warnings and writings now. They're becoming like so many Americans today who simply don't want to listen to anything negative. But one day, not too far off, my warnings will not be pushed out of mind. I tell you with all that is in me -- we are soon going to see the speculative bubble burst. And then it will be panic time. I am more certain of this than ever. I see it everywhere I turn now in the scriptures. God cannot lie; a nation that turns to golden idols and legislates him out of its society cannnot put off judgment for long."

Isn't that interesting, Craig? What is your opinion of David Wilkerson? I like him very much because he follows Christ with all his heart.

Feel better now?

-- dinosaur (dinosaur@williams-net.com), February 22, 1999.


You're mixing together two completely different ideas. Yes, I agree with you that sooner or later, the speculative bubble will burst. That, however, is an economic reality and is not proof in any way that God will cause it....

I have read virtually all of David Wilkerson's books actually right from his initial one, 'The Cross and The Switchblade'. I do not question his sincerity and goodness of heart, however I do disagree with his theology. Like 95% of all modern Christians, he still has not come to the fullness of understanding of what happened at the cross.

Let me clarify this. The man is obsessed with judgement even though the Bible clearly states that all judgement was handed out 2000 years ago. Furthermore, like the error of his predecessors, he has fallen prey to the pagan 'Dante' type visions of hell. While the clear understanding by the early church that God's punishment and wrath were clearly for the benefit and restoration of all men, the words became twisted by man over the centuries to paint God as an unforgiving pissed off never satisfied deity who would torture people indefinitely. In other words, God was pictured as being like Baal and the church fell into weird superstition.

If America or any nation for that matter are allowed to go through tough times, it is for their strengthening and a part of the final total redemption of all mankind.

Wilkerson, like so many who seem to think that their standing before God is based on their own flesh, became unstable in later years. He started turning on Christian music artists, convinced that they were going to be tortured forever because of the beat of their music. And yet, he is so deceived that he still calls this image of God one of love.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), February 23, 1999.

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