I heard this mentioned on an early thread, but no details or links were attached. So I investigated and found these for whoever is interested. http://www.caller.com/autoconv/newslocal99/newslocal354.html

I guess the special forces also had another exercise take place in the last couple days in Port Aransas. Link is http://www.caller.com/autoconv/newslocal99/newslocal373.html also substitute 344 for the 373 for another article on Kingsville.

It was exposed on Alex Jones "The Real Spin" radio show last night that the Rand Corporation is researching just how much the people are willing to overlook and tolerate relative to these "raids" and if the outrage will be (is) limited to the local population that is victimized. Sort of a "Political Thermometer" of the event.

Maybe they will have massive training going on everywhere right before the "event"

Mike

-- flierdude (mkessler0101@sprynet.com), February 15, 1999

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Mike,

> It was exposed on Alex Jones "The Real Spin" radio show last night > that the Rand Corporation is researching just how much the people > are willing to overlook and tolerate relative to these "raids" and > if the outrage will be (is) limited to the local population that > is victimized. Sort of a "Political Thermometer" of the event.

dangerous stuff there - Rand does nothing without a contract...wonder who is funding their research this time?

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 15, 1999.

"wonder who is funding their research this time?"

Lessee-- Dave Letterman? Oliver North? Ted Kacynski? Howard Stern? Gerry Spence? Jim Lehrer? Henry Hyde? Clarence Thomas?

Nah. I bet it's the gummint.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 15, 1999.

On all the "Army Black Ops" go to

www.worldnetdaily.com

-- Lewis Dodd (LewisDodd@hotmail.com), February 15, 1999.

I have a hypothetical question.

What if in some Texas town, some people decided that the exercise was the real thing, and fired upon the invaders that they percieved to be attacking their fellow townspeople? Some would say that that action would be suicide, but I imagine that it might give the powers that be reason to think "hey, maybe there are some wolves around there, instead of all sheep" and reconsider what they are doing.

Just an interesting thought that I had. I know, people will freak when they read it, but it had to be asked.

I'm not advocating such action, but just considering it in the hypothetical.

-- Bill (billclo@hotmail.com), February 15, 1999.

Just love it when "they" say ...

... a spokeswoman for Army Special Operations Command in Fort Bragg, said this week that the public never is notified before such exercises because it poses an security risk and also a danger to residents, ...

Gosh. Our forces sure think of our welfare first, don't they?

Yes, I KNOW they need to train, but this is pretty ridiculous, IMHO. "Practicing" on unsuspecting towns is just asking for trouble. Mistakes happen. Assumptions happen.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 15, 1999.

How about this from Yahoo Daily news?

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mayor: Delta Force Not Welcome - (SAN ANTONIO) -- Mayor Howard Peak said today the Army has been refused permission to conduct ``Delta Force'' urban counter terrorism exercises in San Antonio. Kingsville officials say last week's ``Delta Force'' exercises there... complete with the infamous black helicopters... were successful and allowed local police and firefighters to get specialized training. Peak says if the exercises take place on military property that's okay, but he says he and police officials have notified the Army they are not welcome to conduct drills in the city. Black helicopters have become synonymous with right wing fears of oppression.

-- Littlesister (Littlesister@littlesister.yahoo), February 15, 1999.

Kingsville has a Naval Air military station, one would think that exercises in such towns would be common. But I agree that live weapon excersises are rather extreme and dangerous.

But Garza says to that, "Absolutely not," he said. "We were aware that things could happen and were prepared." "It was a good training opportunity for our officers," Garza said. "It helped us in dealing with hazardous material, clearing people out of an area, directing traffic and working with other departments."

According to the article on Fe b 10, residents didn't appear as concerned as we are on this forum; "I didn't know about it until people asked me about it today," said Kleberg County Judge Allen May. "I don't think people were very upset by it." Garza said he received about 50 phone calls from residents concerned about the maneuvers. "Some were upset, but most understood," he said. " At this time, I don't know yet what to make of all this. Hopefully more factual information will be forthcoming from more sources soon.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), February 15, 1999.