John Koskinen has said: "We need to avoid creating panic and precipitous, counterproductive activity."

Oops. Kevin, you've been naughty. Wouldn't your post below containing the Mother of All Links to all sorts of relevant and pertinent Y2K information fall under this precipitous and counterproductive, panic-creating mantle?

The spin lately has been on the lunatic-RightWing-Christian-Militia-Survivalist-Patriot-fringe that is promoting this Y2K "stuff" to further their own agenda or bank book.

If you were assigned to sit down and monitor and attempt to "neutralize" any damage done by this radical element, don't you think you might follow something as "counterproductive" as Kevin's post with......oh, I don't know.....maybe a couple of posts about....yeah, that's it....the Rapture....Christians are waiting for that, aren't they?....and....okay, how about a word picture of decomposing bodies, throw in a little humor (porky women, etc.).....appear almost gleeful and relishing the carnage to come.....that's what fundamentalist-rightwing-idiots do, isn't it, when they're not trying to out Tinky-Winky (or whatever that Teletubbie kid's name is!)

Perhaps my cache of pork and beans is making me paranoid, but I'm beginning to get a little suspicious.

-- sww (sww@cetlink.com), February 13, 1999

Answers

sww-

1. it ain't paranoid if they *are* out to getcha.

2. considering that

a. the entire thread on the Rapture not only appears to be the work of one individual

b. said thread comes immediately after a general consensus by the majority of Christians to tone down the theological debate on the board

c. the one disagreeing vote on that tone it down thread is the only real poster on the Rapture thread

d. that Rapture thread also has a couple of subtle reflections of identity cult pseudotheology - a cult to which the one real poster apparently has ties.

I think that one's kinda obvious...though that's not to say that the identity cultists couldn't be working as stringers for the feds - there's been evidence in the past that certain elements of the fedgov have used white supremacist organizations as conduits to reach certain arab countries .

just my 2 cents' worth, Arlin Adams

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 13, 1999.

If "they" are, they've noticed this is a pretty smart group, well able to cut through the trolls, etc.

Consider this a "teaching" forum and newsfeed for many confused Y2K OK or Not Okay'ers, of all persuasions.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 13, 1999.

Disinformatzya, DA!

-- Boris Badanov (kgblistener@kremlin.gov), February 13, 1999.

>>though that's not to say that the identity cultists couldn't be working as stringers for the feds - there's been evidence in the past that certain elements of the fedgov have used white supremacist organizations as conduits to reach certain arab countries.

Don't tease me like this, Arlin. Can you drop a link?

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 13, 1999.

Once again I see a regular contributor to this forum referring to Christian Identity doctrine as "identity cult pseudotheology - a cult...". Pray tell us, what 'cult' do you belong to? The 'cult' of Catholicism, the 'cult' of Lutheranism, the 'cult' of Judaism/Talmudism, the 'cult' of Mohammedanism? Perhaps you belong to the near-invisible 'cult' of humanism, invisible because of its de facto sanction by the government, media and scientific community?

What is your definition of a 'cult'? Is it a group whom you hate for their beliefs? Is it a group whose beliefs you willingly fail to examine and understand, and you proceed to hate them anyway?

It's quite easy to jump on the bandwagon of hate - just check the approved list of groups whose beliefs conflict with the established structure, and get with the (government-sponsored) program.

There are hateful people in ALL religions, but that doesn't make the doctrine evil. The major tenet of Christian Identity is that the Northern European, Scandanavian, Germanic, Celtic and kindred peoples are the lost tribes of Israel, not the people called Jews today. No rational Identity minister (and granted, there are some irrational ones) considers the Jews to be the "spawn of Satan", or that blacks and other races are lower forms of life. Identity is merely calling attention to the fact that there has been a case of mistaken identity, and that the European peoples in this country had better start following God's laws or they will suffer the consequences of disobedience. Of course, many Jewish folks don't like this at all, because if large numbers of Americans of European descent started to believe they were the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the billions in American foreign aid given to Israel each year might dry up.

It is further stated that: "...that's not to say that the identity cultists couldn't be working as stringers for the feds - there's been evidence in the past that certain elements of the fedgov have used white supremacist organizations as conduits to reach certain arab countries ..."

Here you go again, comparing the Identity message to the blitherings of idiotic, inbred white supremacists. These maggots may have attached themselves to Identity doctrine, but they've perverted that doctrine to fit their own evil ends. Let me state for the record:

CHRISTIAN IDENTITY DOES NOT ADVOCATE THE DESTRUCTION OF ANY RACE OF PEOPLE - PERIOD.

Anyone who tells you that it does is either from the government, a government puppet media outlet, or one of the many "Identity/White Supremacist" groups whose leadership has been set up by the government so that they can have a convenient whipping boy and enemy to use as they see fit. The government has not only been using white supremacist groups, they've been creating them.

Incidentally, the vast majority of legitimate Christian Identity groups emphatically deny the so-called "rapture/end times theology" espoused by most mainline fundamentalist churches, making them unlikely sources of Y2K/Millenium Fever difficulties. Not that it matters, as most people in this country have had their brains thoroughly washed.

-- Why2K? (who@knows.com), February 13, 1999.

Italics off.

-- Why2K? (who@knows.com), February 13, 1999.

"If you were assigned to sit down and monitor and attempt to "neutralize" any damage done by this radical element, don't you think you might follow something as "counterproductive" as Kevin's post with......oh, I don't know.....maybe a couple of posts about....yeah, that's it....the Rapture....Christians are waiting for that, aren't they?..."

Sww, there is no question that people of all creed and belief post on this forum, fruits and nuts alike. Y2K worries and affects everyone. Koskinen doesn't need to bother to send his minions to stir things up, a bonafied Raptured Christian will volunteer.

"Paranoids are people too; they have their own problems. It's easy to criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too." -Anonnymous

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), February 13, 1999.

Why2k,

Thanks for making it clear to me that the Jews aren't really Jews, but some other RACE, IMPERSONATING "God's chosen people." And also that you aren't racist or anti-semetic - I had previously been confused on that point.

We learn something new every day, I suppose...

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 13, 1999.

Chris: As wonderful as this BB is, I sincerely doubt that one recently "raptured" would volunteer anything to us! :)

-- sww (I'mOK@You're.OK), February 14, 1999.

OOOOOH I hate the Jerries. Falwell mostly, but Chittum and Garcia too. And Lewis, can't stand him. Springer is icky, and Rivera is a sort of Jerry if you Hispanic it, he's creepy too. Why do all Jerries give me the creeps? I am nice.

-- Tinky-Wink (purple@triangle.edu), February 14, 1999.

E- not a link, since this particular story isn't 'news' anymore, but an example that will give you some food for thought:

You may remember that there were some guys busted in California last spring who were trying to sell (at least) three Aden antitank cannon mounted in an aircraft pod mount configuration. When they were busted they allowed as to how they'd smuggled the guns in "through the pacific northwest". The implication was that they'd been brought in through the white supremacist underground in that area...in fact the guys they busted all had white supremacist tie-ins as well.

Here's the deal: it's really easy to tell where they got those guns, since they're a limited production item, and (for fairly obvious reasons) the European producers try to control the sales as strictly as possible. Said producers do however sell to arab countries, so a little searching of the Janes Weapons Systems books should give you a very short list of arab countries who may have established a sort of independent working relationship with the neonazis here in the US.

Now ask yourself just how such could have developed? Remember the various deals a certain three letter agency worked with the Afghan rebels, and the religious minorities in Iraq and Iran? Say! is that the Jeopardy theme song music in the background.

On a slightly more personal note, yours truly has been classified as a "race traitor and racial renegade" by some elements of the aryan nations who are *also* identity cultists. what that particular classification means is that they (the neonazis) consider me worthy of being shot on sight. Which of course is another reason I always post with my real name - it's to demonstrate through contrast the difference between a faithful Christian who is not afraid of the forces of the enemy; and cowardly, evil cultists who are so ashamed of their beliefs and behavior that they must hide behind pseudonyms.

Arlin Adams

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 14, 1999.

Now I can see where you're coming from, Arlin. All I can say is, I hope your enemies fall into the pit they dig for you. As far as posting with a pseudonym, some call it cowardice, some call it - prudence and common sense.

Why2K? (who has nothing to prove to anyone here...)

-- Why2K? (who@knows.com), February 15, 1999.