For those of you who don't believe in "black helicopters", you may want to re-consider. A lot of UFO "nuts" tell stories about "aliens" piloting black helicopters, so naturally there is a strange "aura" around black helicopters. This article describes a more realistic scenario conserning military "Special Operations".

Here is the URL:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990210_xex_what_happene.shtml

Of course, WorldNetDaily is conservative in its leanings, so the above article is all lies...

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@anonymous.com), February 10, 1999

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Obviously one of those "vast right-wing conspiracy" propaganda pieces. It's written by that David Bresnahan fella, you know, the guy who had the nerve to write all those rude things about the National Guard based on "anonymous sources." So what if it all proved to be true? I say if it's not an official government statement, we shouldn't believe it.

(Dripping with sarcasm just in case ya didn't notice.)

-- rick blaine (y2kazoo@hotmail.com), February 10, 1999.

I suspect it was for subsequent Presidential visit to Little Rock right after the tornadoes. In any case, saw a nice shiny black Chinook flying over Little Rock a couple of weeks ago, the day before Prez was to arrive for inspecting downtown.

-- Other Lisa (LisaWard2@aol.com), February 10, 1999.

Hey, get a grip on reality please........

This forum is not about black helicopters. For the record, nor is it about purple chevrolets, green battleships, mauve UFOs or burgundy bicycles with tartan racing stripes.

Puhleassssse take your conspiracy obsessed friends to a conspiracy obsession forum. This one is unfortunately degenerating into one and spoiling discussion of why we are here, Y2K.

Y2K is a computer problem that has the potenetial to cause severe disruptions worldwide.

Black helicopter obsession is a mental problem, that although we're sad you seem to have it, do not need to be constantly bombarded with here.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), February 10, 1999.

Craig, you say, "Y2K is a computer problem that has the potenetial to cause severe disruptions worldwide."

Do you really think our benevolent gov't has no plans (or desires) to "take charge" in the event these disruptions do occur?

Do you really *not* see any connection between the so-called "black helicopter" concerns and y2k concerns? Do you really *not* see any possibility of martial law?

-- rick blaine (y2kazoo@hotmail.com), February 10, 1999.

Well, sure Rick, if there is martial law there will be black, green, blue, white helicopter flying everywhere. So what?

-- and (your@point.is), February 10, 1999.

Rick..........

Your mindset that anything and everything the government does or considers is inherently evil shows that you have become unbalanced. If Y2K results in things like power disruptions and food shortages and overall chaos, then it is the governments responsibility to step in and provide order. That's why we have police Rick. A civilized society has to have laws and the means in which to enforce them.

Martial law provisions are reserved for extreme situations. Would you have the government do nothing if there is chaos in the streets?

Perhaps Rick, you should move to another country where the government isn't organized enough to declare martial law and where you truly could be free. Hey, you could go to Nigeria, Venezuela, Cambodia, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, China, Chile, or the Suday. Think of the freedom you would have!

Can you not grasp the fact that citizens of virtually every country in the world are clambering to be allowed to move to the USA and Canada because our system of government, freedoms and economic situation are far superior to most of the rest of the world.

Nah......methinks that when you reach the stages of paranoia that cloak many of the participants of this forum.....that everything the government does is looked on with suspicion and distrust. It's very sad really ...........

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), February 10, 1999.

I have, upon more than one occasion, checked out Mr. Bresnhan's articles and sources. I have found him to be pretty close to correct in most cases.

If you don't believe the article, just pick up the phone and call a business or two in Kingsville.

Conspiracy? Possibly yes, probably no, but.... maybe nothing more than the government getting ready to 'protect us from ourselves when *something* requires it'.

Keep the faith!

BW

-- Bob Walton (waltonb@kdsi.net), February 10, 1999.

Okay, anon. SOCOM managed to turn an exercise into a PR blunder. Now, all a person has to do is be ignorant of the fact that there are resources to support that sort of activity for only a few hundred folks at a time; and *assume* that the rest of the country would sit around while one city at a time was taken down (since that's really all they could do); and be ignorant of the fact that SFU is alive and well in SOCOM and would most certainly take countermeasures to avoid being used against American citizens;...and perhaps one could *almost* see your point.

stop panicking, calm down, continue to prepare, and stop trying to frighten the uninformed.

...and if you really do live in DC the way you've claimed in other posts, then you know that you personally wont have to worry about black helicopters - you'll most likely get an up close and personal visit via humvee.

sheesh! Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 10, 1999.

OTOH, Craig, you need to realize that one of the differences between Canadians /Commonwealth folk and Americans is that we are ALWAYS suspicious of our government...our entire way of life is based on never, ever, absolutely trusting the government...

fundamental cultural difference - I was simply trying to get across that what was being implied by anon. was logisticly impossible...not that the government should be trusted - it most certainly should not!

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 10, 1999.

Craig,

Trust me, I'm not "paranoid," nor have I a "mental disorder." I've never given black helicopters much thought. (The 45% of my earnings that disappears via taxation and then is squandered so foolishly is the much greater threat in my mind.) I just thought the Breshnahan article was rather interesting.

I agree with Arlin that, logistically, it will be virtually impossible for the gov't to corral the whole population.

What gives me an uneasy feeling is the idea that if TSHTF, when they come to offer me and my family some "help," I will not be given the option of respectfully declining the offer. (Nor will I be given the option of remaining in possession of my supplies.)

I'm hoping that if TSHTF scenario comes to pass they will be so disorganized and the number of people really needing help will be so numerous that they'll just leave me alone.

But please know, I'm not obsessing about it. I'm too tired after chopping fire wood and hitting the "can-can" sales at the local Tons O'Grub supermarket to lose any sleep about black helicopters.

-- rick blaine (y2kazoo@hotmail.com), February 10, 1999.

Boy anon, looks like you hit a nerve.

-- KoFE (Lurkinoutside@camp.david), February 10, 1999.

One of the things I think I would hate to loose more than my infrastructure is my liberty.

-- Reporter (foo@foo.bar), February 10, 1999.

I happen to see my neighbor out walking down my street today. Or at least I believe it was my neighbor, maybe it was a black helicopter dressed up as my neighbor..........

-- PurpleDonkey (Zenmaster@easy.com), February 10, 1999.

Maybe you people who think that the mention of "black helicopters" equates to insanity should head to South America. I don't think there would be much laughter at the mention of U.S. sponsered secret ops. Check out the documents section of http://www.parascope.com/index.htm

It contains a number of documents that have been released due to the FOIA (freedom of information act). In the event of a Y2K caused disaster, our government will view the population as a threat to national security. If you think that they won't use the same tactics on us that they have been using on the rest of the world, then you are the ones that are crazy.

-- d (d@usedtobedgi.old), February 10, 1999.

Craig, from one Canadian to another; since I've lived here in the US for the past 20 years, I've come to understand this "paranoia" that americans seem to have about their gov. It's not unhealthy paranoia believe me, it's their way of life and it's what made this free country what it is. Canadian citizens don't have to worry so much about our own gov. exactly because americans do keep thiers in check so well, and as neighbors we reap the benefits. The same goes for the rest of the western countries. I'm not saying the americans make this planet spin, but that this vigilance (pitbull guard dog it seems even) for freedom the lowly common citizen has, and with their sheer number, is what keeps freedom and democracy alive. Nothing less will do with the major counter-forces all around the world.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), February 10, 1999.

Golly, I seem to keep agreeing with this guy, d.

Hey, d, my wife and I have read your posts on a somewhat regular basis and we must have something in common.

Though I posted Mr. Brenahan as *very accurate* in his writings, I must threfore carry through with the thought that, hey, there really might be a conspiracy or two out there that we can really grab ahold of.

Hey, d, just how old are you? You beautifully defend your generation as not lost. Can it be? God knows, the kids (are you?) don't know anything but computer games? As the old sage said: "You know a lot about computer games, but do you know anything about computers?" I believe you not only know about computers, but also about the challenges we all face.

Keep the faith!

BW

-- Bob Walton (waltonb@kdsi.net), February 11, 1999.

I was just criticized for writing too many 'heys'. It's not like trying to find the needle in the hay stack.

BW

-- Bob Walton (waltonb@kdsi.net), February 11, 1999.

"The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels this duty bound to do his share in this defense are Constitutional rights secure."

-- Albert Einstein (theory@realtivity.mc.), February 11, 1999.

Bob -

Having talked with and worked with scores of teens and pre-teens in the past few years (youth group leader, etc.), I can tell you that there are lots of 'em who are sharp, savvy, responsible, and pretty darn well-read. I think the percentage of "sheeple" in my kids' generation is no greater than in mine; after all, it ain't these kids who make up all the "likely voters" who poll around 60% approving of Clinton.

Example of "Gen Next": there's this one little very pre-teen (11-year-old) cutie who can quote Shakespeare, handle freshman math, ride a horse, and who is easily the best shot in her family. And she is not, repeat NOT, my daughter (who's much older than 11 and pretty sharp in her own way). "Cutie" is simply an example of why I think Gen X (and Y) will do just fine, even if things go seriously sideways.

It is, however, up to us "elders" (dagnabbit, where's my cane?) to ensure that they get the chance, so let's all do our !@#$%^&* jobs, OK?!

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.com), February 11, 1999.

Craig ol boy please don't go tellin' us'n to go live in a nuther country just cause yu'un don be likin' our words. That's downright rude.

-- shilo (rock@stone.com), February 11, 1999.

I don't see what the problem is, the so called Black Helicopters do exist or are tens of thousands of people seeing apparitions? Craig, do a little research before attacking someones' mental stability - very bad form you know.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), February 11, 1999.

Yeah, well so what if they do exist. It's called stealth technology. Ain't America great?

-- black helicopters (well@so.what), February 11, 1999.