Why hard-core Conservative AND Liberals are DGIsgreenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
Here's a theory that occurred to me after hearing Rush read from that NY Times article today:
It seems that hard-core Conservatives, like Rush, have such faith in the Free market, they can't accept the possibility that "market forces" will not solve the problem in time. "The 'Invisible hand' would never let *that* happen, would it?"
On the other hand, hard-core Liberals have such faith in the government, they can't accept the possibility that Big Brother will not solve the problem in time. "Bill feels my pain, he would never let *that* happen, would he?"
I get the impression that most of the folks on this NG tend to be more Libertarian and/or people of faith, knowing that mankind tends to do short-sighted and stupid things on a painfully regular basis. (The "depravity of man" in Judeo-Christian lingo, or the "proclivity to abuse power" in Libertarian terms).
Just a theory. What do you think?
-- rick blaine (email@example.com), February 09, 1999
There are so many of these kinds of threads asking questions like this it could make yer head spin. However, this explaination is so crystal clear and right on, that it may just be the only explaination necessary.
BTW, I don't think the NYTimes is "hard-core" left. Left of center left, maybe, but not hardcore. It is after all, the newspaper of record for the global financial elite, which is not defined by right, left, or any of those other illusionary terms. But I think, in essence rick, you may have hit the nail on the head!
-- pshannon (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 09, 1999.
And, one of the big problems, Y2K or not, is overpopulation, far beyond carrying capactity if any disruption, Y2K triggered or not.
Yet, both conservatives and liberals are opposed to population control (birth control, abortion, elimination of subsidies like welfare and tax credits for children etc). The conservatives for religious reasons, and the liberals for phony anti-"genocide"/"racism" reasons.
-- a (A@AisA.com), February 09, 1999.
What I see happening in tons of threads lately is the standard, deep dichotomies in human thought patterns being played out again and again, with the cardboard characters and issues of the moment as props (Clinton, etc.)
-- Runway Cat (Runway_Cat@hotmail.com), February 09, 1999.
Though I like Rush, and find him to the left of myself, I do however agreee with your assesment rick. Rush is a DWGI, unfortunately so.
Faith in the free market.
Faith in government.
We've lost faith in God, and faith in our own abilities to be makers of our own destiny. We have put faith in men for our sustenance.
To our own peril.
-- INVAR (email@example.com), February 09, 1999.
"faith in our own abilities" That is what scares the ding wappers out of so many people. "How can I do it on my own?"
Time to learn.
-- freeman (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 09, 1999.
RC on the mark, as usual.
-- E. Coli (email@example.com), February 09, 1999.
"Yet, both conservatives and liberals are opposed to population control (birth control, abortion, elimination of subsidies like welfare and tax credits for children etc)"
[LOL liberals opposed to birth control and abortion LOL what planet are you on???]
"Though I like Rush, and find him to the left of myself,"
[Rush Limbaugh is to the left of you INVAR? Who the heck are you, Oliver North? Gary North?]
-- ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 09, 1999.
Consider this for a moment. What event or explanation would most likely turn Rush from a DWGI to GI status? Or is it possible at all? I suspect that if he could be turned then he would be positively rabid.
-- RD. ->H (email@example.com), February 09, 1999.
Just a theory. What do you think?
-- rick blaine
I'm hard-core conservative, and I GI...
-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@Anonymous.com), February 09, 1999.
P.T. Barnum, what's special about this site? All I see is a promotional site for Y2K seminars and books, which Yourdon is collaborating with.
I'm glad he's doing something to help awareness and contengencies. What are you doing other than wasting bandwith and your brain on junk?
-- Chris (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 09, 1999.
I'm not sure where I fall in the political spectrum. I'm a big fan of oxygen and clean water, so I'm a left wing liberal tree hugger. I believe in the right to bare arms and that welfare is flat out evil, so I'm a gun toting right wing war monger. Wow, this is confusing...
-- d (email@example.com), February 10, 1999.
Rick - Excellent synthesis!
A is A - your constant complaints about your perceptions of overpopulation seem to lack conviction. If you truly believed the world was overpopulated, and as you seem to have realized that the majority of said population (including myself) do not accept your solutions to the problem, then would not your only moral option be to off yourself, thus decreasing the overall degradation of the environment to the maximum extent of which you are morally capable? Methinks thou dost protest too much.
who as a Christian libertarian believes that the depravity of man is what leads to the proclivity to abuse power.
-- Arlin H. Adams (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 10, 1999.
I agree in this instance with our rulers -- I'd rather see a bunch of Christians (and Muslims) removed.
-- A (A@AisA.com), February 10, 1999.
What exactly do you mean be "removed"? Exterminated? Or are you just referring to internment camps? Please clarify.
-- rick blaine (email@example.com), February 10, 1999.
RC: "... the standard, deep dichotomies in human thought patterns being played out again and again..."
The dichotomy is perennial. The real novelty here is the present wide range and universality of its manifestations, by no means restricted to Western societies.
Could it be that our world culture is on, or nearing, a significant cusp in its development? Maybe Hegel's thesis-- antithesis-- synthesis is in play.
For every one of us, how we resolve our disagreements (or fail to resolve them), and how we learn to relate to each other, become our contribution to the future. No one can refuse to contribute -- even refusal has its effect.
What sort of future do we want?
What future are we constructing?
-- Tom Carey (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 10, 1999.