Example .asp page where you can't select, print, or copy/paste

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Still puzzled. Is it just me or is anyone else is having this problem, like the problem that James posted about .asp pages:

How to cut/copy y2k articles with .asp suffix?

A link to that page, as well as other .asp pages on that site (Y2kToday):

Why can't I print, select text, or copy and paste from this page? Try it!

These pages are not cooperating.

How can you usefully save the page (is that even possible if you don't have IIS; can it be saved as something else?); or similar question really, can you use their "print this page" option and print to a file (what kind of file?)

(Is the problem peculiar only to this site?) My browser is Navigator 4.08. Don't know if I'd have any better luck with Microsoft's browser. Any ideas... any or all of these questions...

-- Debbie Spence (dbspence@usa.net), February 03, 1999


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Debbie: I was able to link to the printable ( via at the top of the item ) without any trouble using IE 4.x.

Perhaps there is a problem with your browser configuration and/or memory. Exit, then restart your browser?

Good luck!

Regards, Bob Mangus # # # y2ktoday Exclusive: Ready or Not, Y2K Is Coming by Sen. Robert Bennett 1/27/99 Author: Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah)

With less than a year remaining until the year 2000, our nation is at a critical crossroads in its approach to the looming Y2K crisis. The press tends to characterize Y2K as one of two extremes: "end of the world on the one hand, or "no big deal on the other. They either focus on the most dire Y2K predictionsthe "Chicken Little approach or they summarily dismiss Y2K as a non-issue.

Both approaches are wrong. The first road leads to public alarm, or even panic, the consequences of which could be even worse than those caused by the Y2K technological problem itself. The second road is equally dangerous. Deceptively smooth and far easier to traverse in the short term, it leads to a precipice that will not be seen until there is no time left to change direction. And there are no brakes on the vehicle in which we are traveling. Each day brings us closer to the brink.

Since 1997, when my co-chair Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and I began hearings on Y2K, I have been called the "Paul Revere of Y2K. That is an apt analogy. Paul Reveres ride and cry of warning is exactly the approach that other public leaders and the press should be taking. We need to state unequivocally that Y2K is indeed an event that has potentially massive and unpredictable economic, social, and geopolitical ramifications.

Our government is not going to get all of its critical systems fixed in time for the century change. The evidence for this is overwhelming, as I recounted in my address to the National Press Club last year. The General Accounting Office (GAO) cites countless other vulnerabilities. State and local systems that process Federal benefit checks are not likely to be fully remediated. County-operated "911 systems may have failures. At the corporate level, the price of fixing Y2K problems keeps outstripping original estimates. Many companies, like Chevron and General Motors, are now conceding that they cannot guarantee their service as of January 1, 2000.

Even John Koskinen, chairman of the President's Council on Year 2000 Conversion, has publicly acknowledged that the time to begin Y2K remediation is past, and the time has come for crisis management and contingency planning. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the American Red Cross have both issued public statements that encourage the public to take Y2K seriously. Everyonebusiness leaders, politicians, community leaders, and familiesneeds to begin calmly and rationally preparing.

The recent blackout in San Francisco affected nearly a million residents. It was a microcosmic look at what we may face as the calendar ticks over to 2000. Although the blackout was not caused by Y2K problems, it shows how a simple technological malfunction  in this case, one caused by human error  can have major cascading effects. Multiply this problem by a thousand, or a hundred, or even ten and we begin to see the possible consequences that we face.

We cannot know for sure what computing failures Y2K will bring, nor can we know what effects those failures will have on our economy. This is certainly not the time to begin bunkering down with propane tanks and money stuffed mattresses, but we should begin treating the century date change as the real, but manageable, crisis that it is.

When I appeared on "The McLaughlin Group" in July, I made many of these same comments. Nevertheless, by a 3-to-1 vote, the panelists decided that Y2K will be merely a minor bump in the road. I am not sure if any of them have changed their view since that time. I do know, however, that the time is long past for responsible figures in government, industry, and the media to be telling the American people that Y2K will have simple, easily managed consequences.

During World War II, President Roosevelt exhorted our nation to victory. But his assurances that we would eventually prevail did not lead the press to deny the seriousness of the war "problem. Optimism was balanced with practical realism. We are now, in a sense, "at war with Y2K, and there are many Y2K issues that need to identified, examined, and reported in a responsible and balanced manner.

Leaders at the corporate, national and community levels must begin educating the public in a forthright way about the likelihood of system failures. These leaders must at the same time explain the contingency plans that are being put in place. Honest disclosure will help build unity on a community level, so that we can fight this war with a united front.

Our challenge as a nation and a world community over the next 338 days is clear. We must acknowledge that we are, indeed, facing a crisis. We must look at each component of the problem and act rationally to find acceptable solutions. And because the precise dimensions of this problem will not be known until the stroke of midnight on December 31, 1999, we must focus especially on contingency planning.

Most importantly, we must face this crisis together, at the community, national, and global level. When Paul Revere made his midnight ride, America was younger, smaller, and far less technologically interdependent than it is today. The sky may not be falling just yet, but there is a threat on the close horizon, and more is needed than a lone horseman galloping through the darkened streets to raise the alarm.

Senator Robert Bennett (R-UT) is chairman of the Senate Special Committee on the Year 2000 Technology Problem. His regular column will appear exclusively on y2ktoday. URL for this article: http://www.y2ktoday.com/modules/news/newsdetail.asp?id=736&feature=&ty pe= Email us at y2kfeedback@idefense.com Copyright (c) 1998 Infrastructure Defense, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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-- Robert Mangus (
rmangus@mail.netquest.com), February 03, 1999.

.asp stands for Active Server Pages, a Microsoft protocol that is basically cgi/perl on steroids.

You can copy text from an asp page by simply highlighting it, copying it and then paste it into another application such as Wordpad or MS WORD.

An asp page is designed to return specific information to the browser, depending on how it is coded. You cannot access the source .asp code as that is hidden from you.

However, your problem is probably not so much that it is an .asp, but rather that the page you linked to is a frameset, the header being one frame and the body of the page being another. It is likely that the "page" you are saving is only the instructions to the browser to get the two frames.

I'm not sure this works in Netscape(get IE!!) but in IE, you can right click on the frame you want to print, select properties.

Then highlight the URL and copy and paste it into your URL address bar. Click enter and that frame will fill the whole screen. Then you can save or print the page to your hearts content.

-- Craig (craig@ccinet.ab.ca), February 03, 1999.

This is a perfect example why Bill Gates should be publically hanged, or at least flogged. Craig's trick does not work with Netscape 4.01, only with Exploder.

-- a (a@a.a), February 03, 1999.

>This is a perfect example why Bill Gates should be publically hanged, or at least flogged. Craig's trick does not work with Netscape 4.01, only with Exploder.

-- a (a@a.a<

Why Bill?

Did he conjure up Netscape? I thought that was someone else's doings. I don't know, so don't go pouncing on me over this. It's just a question from a guy who doesn't have a clue.



-- sweetolebob (La) (buffgun@hotmail.com), February 03, 1999.

Thanks! From what you guys are saying, I'm beginning to think I might have a configuration problem, which strangely enough, is only showing up on this one web site.

I did succeed with printing, sort of, after restarting the browser and clearing the caches. When I click "print this page" I get a simplified, printable page to come up on the screen. This actually is fine. However, I still can't print the original page because, either the print option is dimmed out, or else I'm taken to the simplified print page anyway. No biggie I guess.

"You can copy text from an asp page by simply highlighting it, copying it and then paste it into another application such as Wordpad or MS WORD."

This is the very thing I canNOT do. I can't select anything, whether using the mouse, or with Ctrl+A from the keyboard or menu! It is as if that function "died." Thus I can't copy, paste, etc. in the usual way. I can't even do so from the simplified print page. What I have to do is then save the print page as html, open it up again, and then finally I can select/copy/paste.

Also, it wasn't being in the wrong frame. However much the page looks like a frames page, it behaves as one integrated frame, i.e. you can't switch frames, at least the way it comes up in my browser.

So this is all a Netscape vs. Microsoft thing? (I'd rather fight than switch!) I should try upgrading to the newest Netscape and see if that helps. (grumble grumble) Thanks again for the help.

-- Debbie Spence (dbspence@usa.net), February 03, 1999.

Bob & Deb: Gates is being sued for antitrust as we speak for this very thing, among others. Engineering Back doors and booby traps into Windows OS's that give Microsoft products an edge. In fact, there is a post today from Runway Cat "Computers are really different" that talks about an abnormality when deinstalling Prodigy. For years, Exploder would screw up Netscape when the two products were used on the same computer.

-- a (a@a.a), February 03, 1999.

a, I've noticed how much more I have problems browsing www.microsoft.com using Netscape, vs. using IE, and thought, "Could it be.....? Naaaaaah." :-?!

-- Debbie Spence (dbspence@usa.net), February 03, 1999.


Welcome back!

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), February 03, 1999.

Ditto, Kevin :)
Was just wondering today what happened to Robert Mangus?
Very glad to see you posting again, Bob, merry welcome re re !

xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), February 03, 1999.

Debbie -- on that .asp page you refer to, Sen. Bennett's "Ready Or Not" piece, just above the title in small print you'll see a hot link labeled Print this article. Open that link and you won't have any trouble.

Otherwise select the text you want tp print and copy it to any word-processing application.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), February 04, 1999.

Hi Tom, thanks for the response. For this particular web page, the ordinary and usual techniques do not seem to work! (select, copy, paste). I had to do some workarounds, as described in my followup. Still happening. :(

In order to print, I did have success with the "Print this Article" hotlink. But, the only way I was able to select/copy/paste was to (1) generate the "print page", (2) save the generated print page as html, then (3) open the html in another application such as Word, and only THEN could I select/copy/paste. I never could select any text on the main "Ready or Not" page, NOR on the generated "print page" -- not for lack of trying or knowing how to select from either menu, mouse, or keyboard. I know, very weird.

With the feedback here I've tentatively concluded that the problem may be inherent difficulties with accessing Active Server Pages with my non-Microsoft browser. (Netscape 4.08) I'm not sure though. It would be interesting to know if James, who had the same problem, was also using Netscape.

So it's either try an upgrade to Netscape 4.5, switch to IE (don't wanna), or live with it. (very baffling; however, not TEOTW!)

-- Debbie Spence (dbspence@usa.net), February 04, 1999.

As Tom points out, you have to go to a separate document that is designed to print well. And Netscape 4 is not permitting the content to be selected in any way on either page! coveting info, conspiracy, or bug? (I call it a bug).

This is the URL to the printable page, which is too long to be made into a working hyperlink in this message base, but you can select, copy, and paste it to the URL address box in the browser.

http://www.y2ktoday.com/modules/news/article_print.asp?id=736&feature= &type=&returnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ey2ktoday%2Ecom%2Fmodules%2Fnews% 2Fnewsdetail%2Easp%3Fid%3D736%26feature%3D%26type%3D

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), February 04, 1999.

0--------------------------------0 script language="javascript"

var appVer = navigator.appVersion; var NS = (navigator.appName == 'Netscape') && ((appVer.indexOf('3') != -1) || (appVer.indexOf('4') != -1)); var MSIE = (appVer.indexOf('MSIE 4') != -1); var newURL = self.location; if(self!=top) { if (NS || MSIE) { open(newURL,"_top"); } else { location.href = newURL; } }


title>Y2K Today Lol, tried to put this in the previous post. Had to remove <> to get it to paste on the BB due to it's capabilities. It's (of course) a javascript, as it says at the top.

-- Mr_Kennedy (y2kPCfixes@motivatedseller.com), February 04, 1999.

Mr. Kennedy, you said "The reason for troubles with copy paste ... the article does not actually 'RESIDE' on the page you have in your browser" due to the javascript code

Mind if I ask you to translate in English what the code snippet says, that is, the pertinent part about the URL? (since I don't know javascript) Is it a workaround for differences between Microsoft and Netscape browsers? If not then how do I account for having no such trouble when I try using IE? In that case I guess we would be still speculating as to (bug or conspiracy?)

Thanks for indulging me on this, I am really curious. Sorry for keeping adding to the bandwidth!

-- Debbie Spence (dbspence@usa.net), February 04, 1999.

Nevermind! I'm happy. Do NOT answer the question, because I will just ask you more questions.

Debbie - who never knows when to leave well enough alone. :-)

-- Debbie Spence (dbspence@usa.net), February 05, 1999.

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