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Lisa@work posted this elsewhere, and I thought it deserved it's own thread. It's the latest proposal for martial law in the USA:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9901/31/BC-MILITARY-TERRORISM.reut/

Are we going to have a domestic "Gulf of Tonkin" or "Reichstag Fire" incident to set this military police state in motion? In a "national emergency" am I going to be accused of being a "terrorist sympathizer" because I proclaim this to be a load of totalitarian globalist horseshit? Are they telling me they're going to come to every house on my block and hand out cots and gas masks? They don't even have enough for all the soldiers and guardsmen! No %&*()#$ way are they going to save ONE SINGLE CIVILIAN LIFE. They can do NOTHING to stop or significally mitigate an NBC attack, but they want to be able to deploy military troops domestically anyway, the first time a bomb OF INDETERMINATE ORIGIN goes off? This is the biggest pantload I've ever seen! Tell me I'm dreaming! We can't be so fat and stupid as to allow this to happen. Someone argue to me convincingly that this won't make it off the drawing board. Please.

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 01, 1999

Answers

http://www.cnn.com/US/9901/31/BC-MILITARY-TERRORISM.reut

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), February 01, 1999.


from an editorial in the Washinton Times and was sent to me by a reader.) WASHINGTON TIMES 6-7 LETTER TO EDITOR

Washington Times Letters to the Editor June 7 - Arlington, VA

During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, 'Nazi' was gutter slang for the verb 'to nationalize'. The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was 'The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany'. Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Der Fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press.

Being a Nazi was 'politically correct'. They called themselves 'The Children of the New Age of World Order' and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler acquired more power, he referred to his critics as 'The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred'. Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a 'Conservative Reactionary'. Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a 'New World Order'.

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the 'New World Order' and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of 'terrorists and madmen'.Right-wing fanatics of the 'Old Order' who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for 'fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people'.

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram- rodded an 'Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act' through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the 'jack-boots' (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as 'right wing fanatics'.

Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the 'peacekeepers'.

Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they weren't Republicans, or 'right wing', or 'patriots' or 'militias'. They were Socialist monsters.

-- Thomas Colton Ruthford

It couldn't happen here... could it?

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Now if after reading this you can't see the handwriting on the wall you just aren't looking. Nikoli

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), February 01, 1999.



-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), February 01, 1999.


I normally discount the 'military/Federal' conspiracy/takeover theories as being a bit on the paranoid side. But this article just doesn't make any logical sense (aside from Y2K). Lets say there is a successful chemical attack on the New York subway system. A few thousand people are killed and a few tens of thousands injured. How would you employ the military to "respond" to such an attack? The terrorists are probably a small (less than 10) invisible group. Granted, the FBI and its forensic expertise could be valuable but what do you do with grunts in MOPP suits armed with automatic weapons? Are they thinking of handing out atropine and chemical protection gear to MILLIONS of people? Doesn't seem likekly. And the detective work to find the terrorists is not in the military expertise. I hate to agree with what I consider 'paranoid' thinking, but the announced purpose for this military force just doesn't add up. Therefore, I have to believe that there is indeed some hidden agenda. Now lets hope THEY don't start the Reichstag fire.

-- RD. ->H (drherr@erols.com), February 01, 1999.

I think people should quit accusing Clinton of instigating martial law. What's happening now is as inevitable as NBC terrorism, and could have been accurately predicted as long ago as Oppenhiemer's days. We are a barbaric race. Look at the rioting after the superbowl.

Y2K is not Clintons fault either. We f*ked up as a technological society and now we will pay the price.

The stock market bubble is not his fault either. Greedy investors and corrupt speculators fueled it. The profit motive of Capitalism has gone astray.

Clinton is being set up to be the scapegoat. And in reality, it's pretty clear that all he really cares about is getting his wick wet.

Revelation sheds light on the situation we face, and I do not say this from a religious perspective.

-- a (a@a.a), February 01, 1999.


You dudes are HEAVY.

-- King OF Free Estimates (Sayswow@this.one), February 01, 1999.


RD: Welcome to the club. Don't stop at the realization that there's a hidden agenda. Find out what it is, and whose it is. Don't trust Disney and General Electric, or the Archer Daniels Midland Company to provide you with the truth. You will have to dig, and sift.

I think the parallel between nazism and today's NWO is more than a clever analogy. We hired thousands of them to help build the space program and fight the cold war with us. It was called "Project Paperclip." Do a search on it, on alta vista, amazon titles, etc.. Study the eugenics (selective breeding) movement in the US. Who funded it (guess who - starts with "R"), what their objectives were. WE GAVE THE NAZIS THEIR SELECTIVE BREEDING PROGRAM. They just took it to the logical extreme. We were legally sterilizing and forbidding marriage to "inferior racial types" and "inferior stock" in the US long before the nazis were. Henry Ford was a nazi, and a friend of Hitler. The same bankers funded both sides. The owners of the big corporations in Germany -IG Farben, Krupps- were happy to be nationalized; the same monied elites controlled the whole show. Read "And The Truth Shall Set You Free" by David Icke - before it lands on the bonfire.

We should all know about this, download and preserve this information while we can, because it's not "going to" happen here, IT IS HAPPENING NOW.

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 01, 1999.


I'm not going to get too worked up over this news report. If there is some catastrophe stateside that requires massive logistics and quick response, we better hope the military is able to respond. Civilian bureacrats don't have enough sense to pour (er, let's say "rainwater") out of a boot, and that's assuming the instructions were written on the heel. If the military is going to do something sinister it wouldn't have to wait around for some effete little law to be passed.

-- Puddintame (dit@dot.com), February 01, 1999.

E: calm down before they come for you son. Velcro didn't come from a spaceship and just because there are some groups on this planet financing a NWO doesn't mean everyone's in cahoots (even though Tom Brokaw is a member of your pal "R"'s CFR)

Read some Robert Anton Wilson and give your paranoia a well deserved rest.

-- a (a@a.a), February 01, 1999.


Every chairman of the Joint chiefs of staff since about 1959 has been a member of the CFR.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), February 01, 1999.

E.

Your tone has taken an interesting change in the last few weeks. You've been talking conspiracy theory from the word go. But you didn't really believe it was happening, did you? I mean really, down in your heart.

Now you do.

And you've convinced me.

The Republic is dead.

Long live the Republic.

-- Franklin Journier (ready4y2k@yahoo.com), February 01, 1999.



Puddintame:

Again, the history of the nazi's rise to power will help. You said:

>>If the military is going to do something sinister it wouldn't have to wait around for some effete little law to be passed.

Contrary to our state-sponsored indoctrination, the nazis were not crazy or stupid. They were very methodical, and proceeded not by force alone, but by skillful and sensitive manipulation of public opinion. EVERYTHING THE NAZIS DID WAS LEGAL. HITLER WAS DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED. NEARLY EVERTHING THE NAZIS DID TO SEIZE POWER WAS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH "ANTI-TERRORISM"-TYPE LEGISLATION. Pardon the caps, but the portrayal of nazis as knuckle-dragging brutes is a lie. It's a way of distancing ourselves from them, a way of saying "that's not us; it can't happen here." Yes, they were vicious, racist, etc. - but so were we at that time. Look at what's happening today: cops burst in, tell everyone not to move; a mother runs to her children, and gets her heart blown out of her chest. The drug warriors got the wrong house. Result: relatives settle out of court, and NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION IS TAKEN. We all accept it, even though the drug war isn't working, and serves only to keep the price of drugs, undermine the constitution, and employ a vast and increasingly brutal police state. Look at civil seizure laws, the routine violation of the 4th amendment, the whittling away of the 2nd amendment - THE CONSTITUTION IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT! If the military took their vow to uphold the Constitution seriously, they would be in the streets protesting the ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL excesses of the drug war - instead of flying planeloads of cocaine to fund covert operations! Conclusion: our military is just as corrupt as any other segment of society, and is already a party to the destruction of America as a sovereign nation-state. I'm sorry if you are proud to be a soldier or a vet, if you have fond memories of basic, if your friends and family died serving their country, if the regalia and the totems and the token economy have worked their military magic on you. But the farm has been sold, gentlemen; it belongs to the bankers, who ain't from around here, and don't give a shit about the Constitution. If you aren't ready to wear a UN helmet, and fight for World Socialism, get ready for a court martial.

Please: STUDY EUGENICS. WE INVENTED IT ON AMERICAN SOIL, AND THE NAZIS THANKED US FOR IT. Then, after the war, we hired them by the thousands, many of them mass-murderers, to fight the Soviets. The nazis openly admired the way Americans wiped out the native population, and we were openly crowing about our genocidal prowess back then - until film footage of the death camps put a turd in the international white power punchbowl, and genocide became a hard sell in America. If it didn't there would be no black folks by now. If you don't believe it, read up. The military in America cut it's teeth on genocide. We practically invented it. And there were plenty of Americans who admired the nazis - maybe that's why those were the Americans who were handed the post-war intellegence machine, and why Fritz got a wrist-slap at Neuremburg, and was put on the payroll after the war. THE BANKERS FUND BOTH SIDES. THEY SEND ONE MESSENGER DOWN ONE ROAD, AND THE OTHER DOWN A DIFFERENT ROAD, AND TELL THEM THEY'RE IN A RACE, AND COMPETING AGAINST EACHOTHER. THEY ARE CARRYING THE SAME MESSAGE: A TOTALITARIAN GLOBAL SUPERSTATE. WE HAVE BECOME OUR ENEMY. WE ARE MERELY TRAVELING A SOMEWHAT LONGER ROUTE TO THE SAME GOAL. WHO'S GOAL? THE FOLKS WHO PAID FOR THE WHOLE SHAMEFUL MESS, NATURALLY.

You who seem to think the military will invariably do the right thing... Look at what happens to those who refuse to serve under a UN command. "The military" will do what they're told, by whoever runs the country, and right now that's the international banking cartel, who are a bunch of globalists promoting a nazi-style "New World Order" socialism. Unless there's a coup, which is increasingly likely, but unlikely to succeed. Or if it does, it will be coopted by the same bankers who funded both sides in the last civil war, and used to balkanize and divide the US, thus furthering a globalist agenda. No body gets far on a battlefield without money; money controls the outcome, because it funds both sides; and the money has come from the same source(s) for the last several centuries.

What's not clear about this? Sometimes you guys seem like those soldiers at the witch's castle in Wizard of Oz, for christ's sake. Somebody hand me a bucket of water...

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 01, 1999.


E & Nikoli:

Face it.........Y2K is not the only thing going on that involves DGI's and DWGI's.........I just sincerely wish now, that both of you were our neighbors !!!!!!!!

Sandy

-- Paul & Sandy Stambaugh (patches96@worldnet.att.net), February 01, 1999.


This is pretty scary stuff alright. I have heard about the NWO and the CFR and the Trilateral Commission etc etc all my adult life. The one thing I would like someone to explain to me is this: Why would any power mad person want to reign over a population of slaves who cannot pay taxes or feed themselves without the state. Slavery is a very expensive business. Prisons, Camps, Guards, food, medecine, its an enormouse undertaking. Isn't it better to rule over a bunch of folks who work hard and fork over 50% of their earnings to the government in taxes? We don't complain as long as we have our TV and our automobiles. The National Socialists system was a socialist government with a capitalist economy. Aren't we going in that direction anyway, without all the mess of burning books and people? Please explain to me the advantage of making the population poor, ignorant and sick. If we were a strong cohesive people who might rise up against tyrany, maybe I could see the advantage. As it is, we are almost slaves anyway.

Bill in South Carolina

-- Bill Solorzano (notaclue@webtv.net), February 01, 1999.


I can't explain all the motives of a meglomanic sociopath, not being one myself. But I think 100% of the income of the entire world is more than 50% of the income of the U.S. population.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), February 01, 1999.

E, *sigh*

How can we be on the same wavelength here, and so at odds on the other thread?

-- Elbow Grease (Elbow_Grease@AutoShop.com), February 01, 1999.



Then the Reichstag (government building) {Murrah Building in OKC} was blown up and Hitler {Clinton} ram-rodded an 'Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act' through Parliament {Congress} that gave the Gestapo {ATF & FBI} extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German {American} people, all private firearms were to be confiscated {registered for now} by the Gestapo {ATF & FBI} and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). The Murrah building was blown up from the inside as attested to by a LT. General in the Air Force. The fools outside were set-up patsies. Clinton was pushing his anti-terrorism bill 12 hours later. Either it was prepared before hand or that was the fastest bill ever drawn up in history. This is the same guy that's saying Y2K is no problem.

-- GiJoe (Lastdays@the.party), February 01, 1999.

E. Coli, we can agree to disagree on religion, I have no problem with that, this is a real threat and needs our full attention no matter what our beliefs. I am a firm constitutionalist and freedom of religion is one of the basic precepts it was written on.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), February 01, 1999.

"Lethargy [is] the forerunner of death to the public liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

-- Uncle Deedah (oncebitten@twiceshy.com), February 01, 1999.

During the civil war Abraham Lincoln said:

"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, (and) more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe...corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed."

This was taken from The Shadow Government of The United States of America by: Richard Eastman, 1994. http://afgen.com/shadow_g.html Kind of long, but worth the read. Especially the part about some type of CRISIS which will need to be used.

Food for thought....

Deborah

-- Deborah (truly@live.com), February 02, 1999.


"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address before that organization in June of 1991

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), February 02, 1999.

Take a look at

!!!Everything We've Uncovered Is True !! FEMA vs Homeland Command

MSNBC article boggling. E Coli, did you see it?

xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), February 02, 1999.


I am going to answer Bill Solorzano's question, above, once and for all time, in the words of the 20th century's greatest author. Please pay attention:

Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

Power is inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together in new shapes of our own choosing.

George Orwell, 1984

-- Runway Cat (Runway_Cat@hotmail.com), February 02, 1999.


My wife told me she heard the news on a radio talk show that the legislatures in Wash will more than likely successfully push through the "know your customer" legislation. Big brother comes closer? Who can tell me if this news is reliable?

-- PK (Just@here.com), February 02, 1999.

Who do you think is reliable enough to tell you what is reliable or not?

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), February 02, 1999.

Bankers, buearacrats, Insurance weasels, they're all the same. I've been trying to convince people that the liberal is being fooled by the powers that by. They are all what I like to call "Socio/fascists". Kinda takes in the whole thing.

God Bless the 'Constitutional' Republic!

-- freeman (freeman@cali.com), February 02, 1999.


DO NOT FEAR! God loves you, and waits with inexpressible patience for you to take the first step towards him! Ask God to care for you, and you WILL NOT be disappointed. The world is dying: turn your eyes away from it, and towards your true home in heaven. These truly are the End Times in which we are living. Pray for your eyes to be opened, that you may see clearly all that is about to happen. Love! Love God, love each other! Life is out of balance, Time is disintegrating: turn to God: He waits. Listen to the still, small voice you hear at night: it is He who loves you, more than you love yourself. DO NOT FEAR!

-- Everyman (voice@wilderness.com), February 02, 1999.

Thanks, all of you, for the single most interesting/entertaining thread I have ever read on this (or any) forum. I only wish none of it were true, but I'm afraid all of it is.

-- scared (cantbefound@aol.com), February 02, 1999.

Hey everyman, is he gonna stock your pantry for you, or should you get up off your ass and do that yourself? Most of the food I have didn't magically appear on my shelves. Some of it did though.

-- Uncle Deedah (oncebitten@twiceshy.com), February 02, 1999.

Everyman's position and direction (with space and emphasis added to the imperatives):

----begin quote----

<DO NOT FEAR!>

God loves you, and waits with inexpressible patience for you to take the first step towards Him!

Ask God to care for you, and you WILL NOT be disappointed.

The world is dying: turn your eyes away from it, and towards your true home in heaven.

These truly are the End Times in which we are living.

Pray for your eyes to be opened, that you may see clearly all that is about to happen.

Love! Love God, love each other!

Life is out of balance, Time is disintegrating: turn to God: He waits.

Listen to the still, small voice you hear at night: it is He who loves you, more than you love yourself.

</DO NOT FEAR!>

----end quote----

In other words:

Directives (Things to do):

  1. Ask
  2. Pray
  3. Love
  4. Listen

Position/Assertions (Current Situational Beliefs) :

  1. First Step towards God has not yet been taken.
  2. World is dying. Shift attention to Heaven.
  3. We are at the end.
  4. Life is out of balance.

I can agree with your direction but cannot understand your position.

-- Jon (jonmiles@pacbell.net), February 02, 1999.


Life, IMHO, is all about balance.

When something is grossly out-of-alignment, there is a counter-weight. Y2K may well be the "Bankers' worst nightmare. (And ours if we choose not to collectively get ready and follow the internal Divine guidance system). Choose to be in "balance"with all things.

Those who are not, will eventually reap what they sow. They always do ...contrary to popular illusion.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), February 02, 1999.


Hardliner- On "reliability" - I am only asking whether folks on this forum may have heard this same information and could expand on what little I heard secondhand from my wife...RE: "know your customer" legislation. Or, point me to some sources and I'll read it myself.

-- PJ (Just@here.com), February 02, 1999.

E. & others interested in the ideas of David Icke,

David Icke has been interviewed several times on the Jeff Rense Show: (Real Audio required)

Real Audio

David Icke Interview 9-21-1998

David Icke Interview 5-12-1998

David Icke Interview 5-4-1998

David Icke Interview 3-10-1998

Utterly captivating listening!

-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), February 02, 1999.


Thanks bingo. Icke's a new age whacko, BUT (big but) he's a BCC reporter who's done some excellent scholarship on international bankers, their family networks, and the govt. and NGOs they use to, essentially, lead us all by the nose through a world of shit. When he starts talking about spirtual and psychic stuff, take him with a grain of salt (or not, as you choose); but make sure you don't tune him out because of it. He has a lot to offer us.

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 02, 1999.


Elbow Grease: I'm working on my response on that other thread. Until then: I've read the new testament and I love the teachings of Jesus. They are very similar to a very early book of sayings of Buddha, called the "Dhammapadda" (pathway) and I love Buddha too. I try to love and forgive the people around me. I don't believe anything, if I can help it (except provisionally, for practical purposes). If that's not good enough for God, he can throw me into a lake of fire or whatever (if he's God, he can do whatever he thinks is just, can't he?). But, even if he exists as portrayed, and if he's in charge of hammering people like that (big "ifs"), I somehow doubt he's that much of a bastard. So can we live together in peace and harmony?

Now I'd like to call your attention the small matter of the immanent installation of a totalitarian state in what until now has been the U.S.A....

Nikolai: Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, brother.

E.

-- E. Coli (nunayo@beeswax.com), February 02, 1999.


E. Coli wrote:

"Now I'd like to call your attention the small matter of the immanent installation of the totalitarian state in what until now has been the U.S.A...."

This morning I found an article about the "Know Your Customer" legislation worth a read. "Snoops and Spies" by Timothy W. Mair in the online magazine INSIGHT.

"The newest twist in the privacy wars: A federal regulatory proposal would bring Big Brother to your bank, where he'd be counting more than your money...."

Read it at:

http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story1.html

(Sorry, I don't know how to hot link to the article.)

-- PJ (Just@here.com), February 03, 1999.


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