Go to Matt Drudge's web site, and read the transcript of his interview with Dick Morris. Morris describes being questioned by three Senate Judiciary Committee investigators, all with extensive experience working at IRS or FBI, who say they're physically afraid of retaliation from the White House. When Morris says he's not afraid to testify, they ask him whether he's seen the list of 25 deaths of people associated with the investigation. Linda Tripp has already testified (under oath) that she knew White House personnel had lied about the Vince Foster investigation, and that she herself was afraid for her life. I ask you, gentle readers, how we are supposed to trust this President, this cabinet, to do the right thing regarding Y2K and civil liberties? My conclusion, sadly, is that pathological liars, sociopaths, and yes, psychopaths CANNOT EVER be trusted. These guys make Paul Milne look like Mother Teresa.

-- Spidey (senses@tingling.com), February 01, 1999

Answers

Jaded though I am, I cannot subscribe to the opinion that 25 people have been murdered by the Clinton Administration. Given the large number of people associated with the Senate judiciary investigation, 25 sounds a little low, actually, when compared to deaths in the general population. However, I heartily agree that lying has been a big part of this and virtually every other political body. From a letter in today's Durham (NC) Herald-Sun:

". . .To them I say, take heart. The culture you see represented by the likes of Clinton is nothing new, and if you know that the thing which unsettles you is actually as old as the hills, it helps take off much of the instability you feel from this equivalent of culture shock.

"'The superiority of his genius consists in nothing else but an inexhaustible fund of political lies, which he plentifully distributes every minute he speaks, and by an unparalelled generosity forgets, and consequently contradicts, the next half hour. He never yet considered whether any proposition were true or false, but whether it were convenient for the political minute or company to affirm or deny it. . .'

". . . [I]t's a quote taken from an essay on political lying by Jonathan Swift in the 1700s. . . ."

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), February 01, 1999.

Let's see..... Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, Ron Brown and company. Klinton is the devil in disguise. The anti-Christ.

-- Grim Reaper (death@march.com), February 01, 1999.

The 25 deaths is a bunch of BS. If that were their modus operandi, why wouldn't they have just offed Monica a year and a half ago, instead of trying to get her a job at Revlon? Use your noodle folks.

In fact, I work with an ex-SS agent that testified before Starr regarding Foster's death. According to him, it was a bonafide suicide, but there was evidence that the body had been moved. Not quite the same effect as Spidey's folklore would have you believe.

BTW, the ex-SS agent does not like Clinton.

-- a (a@a.a), February 01, 1999.

It is difficult to comprehend that we have arrived at this point in the history of our Republic. What is even more difficult to understand is the complacency of the American public who has been lulled into a serious coma. Upon awakening the news will not be good.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), February 01, 1999.

A: It's not MY folklore. Dick Morris was White House COS, the "fix-it" man for Clinton. Your "ex-SS" (why ex?) man's knowledge is itself a tad unsettling--who moved the body? And why? We've all seen the evidence, and it can be judged on its merits. What I find damning about it all is the "look the other way attitude" by the big media (although in 95/96 the Wall Street Journal ran some good pieces on the CIA/Mena/cocaine connection). What's your point? That our government doesn't run "wet" (murder) operations? Go read the history of Project Phoenix in Southeast Asia: William Colby, who ran the operation, admitted to House investigators that our boys killed at least 20,000 "collaborators." Oh, but that was a police action. No, I don't believe in fairy tales or little green men; but after six years of watching this administration, I have real trouble trusting ANYTHING they say. As I had mentioned in a different post, a lot of people had extremely hard feelings towards Richard Nixon, but no one accused him of being surrounded by dead bodies. As for Monica Lewinsky, maybe the story broke (thanks to Drudge) before they could silence her. The killing of the former intern at the George Starbucks two years ago certainly sounds like an execution. Many other women have testified to threats of physical mayhem by people connected with Clinton. Go over to WorldNetDaily and look in the archives for stories about IRS intimidation of myriad people who have gone up against the powers that be. They report in today's edition that on Jan. 6, 1999, a house bill was submitted to overturn the 22nd amendment: the one limiting Presidents to 2 terms. Hmmm. Sorry, just can't trust him: do YOU, when he claims social security is fixed? The Canadian government is being fairly open about their plans vis. Y2K, and Blair, liar or no, pays lip service to openness. But this administration is maintaining an eerie ambivalence. I respect your skepticism, but personally I harbor serious misgivings about "the most popular man."

-- Spidey (senses@tingling.com), February 01, 1999.

Spidey: Matt Drudge showed his ass a few weeks ago when he claimed he would break the biggest story ever in 2 weeks. He said it would "shake up the whole world" and "after the dust settles we will assess the impact". The story? It was the yarn about Clinton having an illigitimate child with a black prostitute. After it was proven false, Drudge issued no retraction or apology. So be careful what and who you choose to believe.

As for Clinton's motives, there is a scene in Primary Colors where one of his campaign "advisors" (a private eye) gets upset with his shady tactics (not murderous, just shady). He replys that he wants to be elected so that he can save the country from the corrupt and zealous republicans, and that you have to fight fire with fire.

Point is, politics is always dirty pool. As Foster said in his suicide note, in Washington "people's lives are ruined for sport".

-- a (a@a.a), February 01, 1999.

In fact, I work with an ex-SS agent that testified before Starr regarding Foster's death. According to him, it was a bonafide suicide, but there was evidence that the body had been moved. Not quite the same effect as Spidey's folklore would have you believe.

Sorry, but I disagree with you totally that moving the body is not a big deal, a. Although this scenario is certainly a possibility, it still adds up to the fact that someone obstructed justice and tampered with the death scene to make sure that the true circumstances of Foster's death were never made public. Who could commit such a felonious cover-up and make it stick for all these years, other than Clinton? If the body was moved, and a death scene constructed, than we really don't know anything about how he died, do we? If your SS friend knows the true circumstances of VF's death I sure wish we would go public, instead of continuing to assist in the coverup.

-- Tom Knepper (thomas_knepper@intuit.com), February 01, 1999.

Or read thru http://lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/circle!.htm

-- Sam (Gamgee@newrow.com), February 01, 1999.

Is that "SS" as in Nazii Germany or Fascist Amerika?

-- A (A@AisA.com), February 01, 1999.

BTW, the question of the parentage of the kid that Drudge mentioned as possibley being Klinton's is still open. Seems the DNA comparisons may not have been reliable because the DNA supposedly Klinton's to be used in the test, wasn't Klinton's.

Not that I give a crap whether it was his kid or not. It is some commentary on the people and government of this country that of all the stuff that Klinton could and should be gotten to on, that the only thing that has half-way stuck is the sexual crap.

-- A (A@AisA.com), February 01, 1999.

Mary Mahony, another WH intern, Jennifer Flower, Juanita Broaddrick and whole bunch were threatened. Mahony was murdered at Starbuck about the time there was a story that some scandal was about to break. Too many coincidences. NBC is still sitting on the biggest explosive story on Juanita (she was raped and threatened)because Tom Broknjaw, I mean Brokaw threatened to resign if this interview by Lisa Myers is released. Is there freedom of the press? The WH pressure on NBC may be another obstruction. For the full stories, y2k,and the latest terrorist plan to attack 120 US cities (raising the possibility of marial law), go to http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/villa/3388.

-- Raymond (kcorner67@hotmail.com), February 01, 1999.

Dear a, perhaps you can explain how Vince Foster, who had 2 bullet holes in his head, committed suicide? That's a pretty good trick, isn't it? It's also amazing that the guy who "committed suicide" in Arkansas a month ago, also had 2 bullet holes in his head. Incredible. These men deserve justice, they deserve a real autopsy and a real investigation.

-- b (b@b.b), February 01, 1999.

the name is lockjaw

-- tom (tom@nbc.com), February 01, 1999.

Rumor control here in the DC metro area is that Foster did in fact kill himself, but NOT in the park. DNC used to keep a small apt. in Georgetown that was used for w-a-y off the record meetings of various sorts. anyway according to r.c. Foster had keys to the apt, went there and did ?something? (time lapse here - possibly talked to people by phone or met with someone) then killed himself. Too many trails to that apt and so the body was moved.

or so goes the rumor.

Arlin

-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), February 01, 1999.

Spidey,

>They report in today's edition that on Jan. 6, 1999, a house bill was submitted to overturn the 22nd amendment: the one limiting Presidents to 2 terms.

So what? One or more similar bills has been introduced in six of the seven preceding Congresses (the exception being the 103rd Congress, 1993-1994; Clinton administration). During the 101st Congress (1989-1990; Bush administration) there were at least four separate bills introduced to repeal the 22nd amendment.

And I just counted the ones that did not include something besides repealing the 22nd.

Representative Hyde (you know -- Henry Hyde, chair of the House Judiciary Committee -- not known as a Clinton apologist) co-sponsored bills to repeal the 22nd amendment in both the 104th and 105th Congresses. Look it up if you don't believe me.

See my posting in the thread Clinton Term Limits And HR17. By the way, that thread's title has a mistake: the bill's abbreviation is H.J.Res.17, not HR17 which is the abbreviation for an entirely different bill.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), February 02, 1999.

Spidey (continued),

BTW, I count a total of 15 different bills introducing amendments to repeal the 22nd amendment (with no other significant provisions) during the period 1985-1998.

Hmmm, indeed.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), February 02, 1999.

@ ~ Matt Drudge's BIG story was most definitely NOT the scandal about Clinton having an illegitimate black child. That news was and is still a laugh and a yawn. More par for the course on Clinton. It most certainly would not have done so much as raise a collective international eyebrow, either. No, this story was delivered around the time THE big story was supposed to pop, but didn't.

-- Bumble Bee (bumble@icanect.net), February 02, 1999.