insights?greenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
It does seem very weird how viciously some of these people are attacking preparers. I don't quite get it. The only thing that I could imagine is they blame the preparers for any problems that could eventually arise. Why are they so indignant and rude? The GN is a big fat idiot forum is filled with these attitudes. It strikes me as very misplaced. Could anyone speculate on this extreme reaction of these people? They act like everyone who is preparing is a militia group member or totally whacked out. I consider myself to be a fairly run of the mill person. I am not extreme in any sense except for my love of my children and God and life. I live in a nice neighborhood in a small town. I do not at all fit the image these anti preparers have of D & G ers. Plus, I feel none of this "disgust and hatred" for them. (I may later when they come to me for food) Anyway, any insight would be appreciated.
I copied my own post from below because I really wanted some insights on this behavior.
-- a mom (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 1999.
-- a mom (email@example.com), January 31, 1999
Any psychologist can tell you how people react to threatening news.
First ANGER, then DENIAL, then PANIC.
Some of these newbies are still in the ANGER stage.
The fact that they are spending time on this site should give you a hint as to what their subconcious instincts are telling them. If they have any brains at all they will trust their instincts.
-- (@@@.@), January 31, 1999.
When I first heard about this I was angry with the person who told me because no one could come up with enough evidence fast enough to satisfy my curiosity.
-- Reporter (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 1999.
Your all a bunch of fucking idiots that don't have anything better to do with your time. You stupid bastards want the world to end. I HATE YOU CRAZY MOTHER FUCKERS. I hope I see you in a dark alley somewhere.
-- (Y2K My @SS.Com), January 31, 1999.
My dear Y2K My@ASS: I was instrumental in having Ed delete foul mouthed, vulgar threads such as yours, and if you keep doing it, I won't hesitate to have him pull the plug on you too. Why don't you just get your point across without calling people names and using a foul mouth, maybe you'll get somewhere with some of us here.
-- ZAP (ZAP@ZAP.com), January 31, 1999.
Well, it was another disgusting post, but this thread is fine. Thanks ZAP for your zapping elimination help re the low-vocabularied.
-- weary (email@example.com), January 31, 1999.
The last thing I want is for the world to end as I know it now. My children are healthy and happy, my parents are still alive and healthy, my marriage is a stable union, our house is mainly paid for, our business is growing, I have a very decent life and relationship with God. Why would I want this to end? Why do you think all the people who are preparing are crazed and have some death wish for the country or something? I don't even want the stockmarket to crash. Where do you get these ideas? I would love to not have to think about y2k and its ramifications ever again. I must say I have learned and changed much in the past 9 months and made some new friends through my y2k efforts, that's the only positive thing I can say about it for me now.
-- a mom (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 1999.
DGI's want someone to blame. Government is basically inaccessable. CEO's of large corporations are basically inaccessable. They want to lambast someone publicly. Since we are here, we are the target of their fear and inability to give up "creature comforts" they don't want to loose, even if it is only for a short while. They want the stock market to build a stairway to Heaven and continue to live based on "high monetary values". If those monetary values are displaced, they come to find out that they are no better than anyone else. How humiliating for them....to find out how shallow their lives are based. Sure, I like shopping at grocery stores instead of milking cows and growing corn too, but it's not going to be a surprise if I have to do it (get my family food) fulltime for a while. My life is not one of a simple person, but I can give up the rat-race for family survival, if that's what it takes.....no matter who is to blame.
That is why they (DGI's) don't "like" GI's. We are comfortable or able to adjust to the situation. They are burned up with anguish and torment that they can't have the selfish, materialistic ride continue on and on without possible interruption. Sure, lot's of us GI's have very nice, material things, but based on GI's I've met personally, they also have a deeper, non-materialistic heart. Can't say that about the hardcore DGI's that openly, usually viciously deny the possible and probable y2k ramifications. (and I am not talking about DGI's that are sitting on the fence, or just now looking into all the information).
-- Mr. Kennedy (y2kPCfixes@MotivatedSeller.com), January 31, 1999.
To a mom from another mom,
I don't know why some of the posts have been so flowery. I really cannot speculate as to why some people feel so much desire to spew forth the way they do. I think there motivations shall forever remain a mystery to me.
However, as someone who only stumbled upon the seriousness of the Y2K problem at the beginning of this year I have been monitoring this forum along with the many links this site has to offer plus many other resources to try and figure out just what is what and what to do about it.
It didn't take long to determine that there was enough evidence to indicate that there well could be a big problem.
This forum does have certain individuals that post with invaluable resource information and follow-up with insightful dissection of articles, etc. I only hope they remain true to their cause and realise that many newbies shall be finding this forum all the time and that time is not on their side. The many that do have the know- how and the insight need to keep posting their research, and their ideas to help the newbies. I have found those people helpful. I have to admit that within the last week it seems to have become more dogged down with bantering back and forth along the lines that those of us that are new to the forum cannot understand. Nevertheless, I haven't let that stop me from persevering. Do I feel like an outsider - yes - but that feeling is not new to me.
Try not to concentrate on the negative posting - weed it out and focus on what is valuable to you. I hate to admit it sometimes whilst I'm weeding through I come across some of it that makes me laugh and picks up my spirits a little. Things like "galleons going back and forth across the Atlantic filled with dubloons, something else I can't recall, and beany babies. I had to laugh at that. Thank you Andy.....
I really don't particularly relish the thought of having the rug pulled out from under us come January 1, 2000 onwards. I've grown accustomed to some of the comforts that technology has provided. However, reality is reality, and it looks like the uncertainty of what the Y2K bug has to offer us is very real. This mom and her family have chosen to take it seriously and prepare accordingly. Also, more in our wonderful neighborhood too are becoming aware and preparing.
We went to a preparedness meeting given by a local church last Thursday. They provided lots of information and recommended 6-8 weeks minimum preparation.
I hope you find what you are looking for and wish you all the best on the path you are taking.
-- Carol (email@example.com), January 31, 1999.
The "Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot" site is positive proof that the consensus of this forum is correct. It doesn't take too long to figure out that CPR, AG and Paul-y-anna Davis have a serious reality problem.
-- a (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 1999.
To a mom,
I just read you latest posting. I didn't realise that you had been at this for the past 9 months. Can't call you a newbie. I can relate to everything you say.
-- Carol (email@example.com), January 31, 1999.
Many of the dumb comments are basically if you do not like the message, shoot the person providing the message.
-- Sam (SamD@aol.com), January 31, 1999.
A Mom, we'll never know the motivation of the "I don't get it and neither should anyone else" posters. But,look at it this way, when the establishment has had its foundation rocked in the past, the messengers were murdered in ghastly fashion. So what it we have to suffer some lip from a few fools.
-- Puddintame (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 31, 1999.
one element to consider is the simple fact that a large segment of our society has grown up in an environment in which there were very few absolute limits placed upon their behavior. They had no reason to learn self-discipline, and even less to be concerned about anyone other than themselves, and anything other than their immediate desires.
Preparing for y2k *requires* self-discipline. Preparing for y2k *requires* concern for others - a few short thought problems will inevitably demonstrate that no one is capable of thriving all by himself - communities, be they large (churches, neighborhoods, etc.) or small (family and extended family units), will be the organizational groupings which will get us through the queasy times to come.
Preparing for y2k *requires* that gratification of immediate desires be delayed/denied in order to insure that we have sufficient time and resources for preparation.
so the very bases of preparing are counter to the entire previous experience base and lifestyle of the previously noted segment of our society. Combine that with the fact that a reasonably serious (>4) post y2k reality will result in the loss of any possibility of returning to a narcissitic lifestyle, and I think we can see why they have such strong negative reactions to us.
Rather than deal with the issues, they choose to transfer their anger to us, delusionally believing that if they can just make us go away the problem will mysteriously vanish. This then is why I would submit that the only way to respond to the trolls is with "we aren't going to stop preparing, and there is nothing you can do about it", followed by ignoring them completely.
just my 2 cents' worth, Arlin
-- Arlin H. Adams (email@example.com), February 01, 1999.
I think the behavior you wonder about is a reaction to terror. Some people sit down and cry when they're scared -- some try to run away -- some try to hide -- some pretend it's not real -- some lash out at whoever put them in the way of being scared.
And this is a scary one, for sure. Especially the not knowing. And concern for friends, relatives, children. Even so -- a lot of people are coping with it. Getting ready the best way they know how, within their personal and financial limits. What more can anyone do?
The old platitudes come easy. Living them isn't that simple. "Everyone's going to die sometime." "One day at a time." "Face the music." "Chin up, boy!"
At the moment I intend to get set -- so far as I can -- and see what the storm brings. Hope I can hold to that later on.
-- Tom Carey (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 1999.
There's been a couple of "moms" that have asked for information and/or comments at the GNBFI forum, and I and others have replied (I think) courteously enough. The BFI forum, just like this one, has had and is continuing to have its share of profane and sub-human trolls who delight in spewing their vile trash and taking up bandwidth. The moron a little further up in this thread is a good example. The best you can do is ignore them and sift through the noise for the nuggets. The best a moderator can do is delete their useless crap as soon as it's posted.
-- Morgan (email@example.com), February 02, 1999.