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Here is what Robert Monroe found after years of experience journeying to the next world and back again:


Always know and remember that you are "more than your physical body." This will provide instant perspective on any Earth Life System activity. The agony becomes tolerable, the ectasy more profound. Locally induced fears evaporate.

Recognize and control your survival drive. Use it instead of allowing it to use you. Here are some suggestions:

a. One part of the formula (Physical Life = Good) is needed for the Earth Life System and is acceptable during your stay. The other part (Physical Death = Bad) you can discard because you will know better.

b. Remember that your ultimate goal is not physical survival. Thus, while it is valid that you are here to do certain things and there are functions you must perform to be here to do them, you don't need to be desperate about it. Accidents may happen, but you cannot lose; you have had the experience of being human.

Physical assets (material, food, tools, toys) are great for local use, but ownership is only a matter of temporary convenience. You not only cannot but you would not want to take them with you - not even your physical body.

Maintain your own transient status. You are being human at your own option in the strictest sense. That option remains in force throughout your visit. You may pack up your experience and leave whenever and for wherever you desire, with no censure or penalties from any source that matters. If your Human Mind is satisfied, you will do this in spite of local custom or effort. Earth Life System addicts may not understand, but that is their problem.

Enjoy your life in the system, maximize your highs and lows - but don't become addicted. Get through being angry at how the system works, the seeming inequities, the unfair advantages, the brutalities, the callousness, the deceit. It's a predator world by design - and it's a superb teaching machine.

Exercise your Human Mind as fully as possible, knowing it is only an exercise. Build beautiful artifacts, solve "problems," smell the flowers and watch the sunsets, compose music, explore the "secrets" of the physical universe, savor the input from all of your five senses, absorb the nuances of close relationships and situations, feel the joy and sorrow, the laughter, the empathy, compassion - and tuck all of the emotional memory in your travel bag.

Your Human Mind has a natural and normal proclivity to try to make things in the Earth Life System much the way it is accustomed to in the There. History is full of such attempts, but in the end the system always wins. An edge may have been frayed, but the predator animalism simply comes back, sometimes a bit smarter than before, and takes over. That does not mean you don't try in you Human Mind expression, and it is possible that you might change a part of it, but you will never change it all. If you did manage a complete overhaul, the system wouldn't and couldn't exist. Yet who knows how much longer it will exist anyway ?

-- Blue Himalayan (bh@k2.y), January 28, 1999


Never mind the proclivities.

Just remember - "Don't lay up your treasures on earth", "'God" is the Alpha and Omega", and "God helps those who help themselves".

Sage guidelines....and no trips to the next world required.

-- Mr. Kennedy (, January 29, 1999.

Did you ever see a hearse with a roof-rack??? :)


-- Andy (, January 29, 1999.

Or a sarcophagus with any gold left??? :)


Blue H,

Who is Mr. Monroe - any more links for us?

thanks, Andy

-- Andy (, January 29, 1999.

Robert Monroe was a man who started having out of body experiences. He was not a new ager in any sense of the word, and so decided to experiment more with this and find out what exactly was going on. He took meticulous notes, and participated in many different experiments designed to try to find out what this was. Anyway, he wrote 3 books documenting what he thought he found out, and they are very interesting reading. The institute he founded to research this more is called the monroe institute, and is at Very simplistically speaking, he said that he found out that this state arises from a very specific deep meditational state. Coincedentally, this is supposed to be the same state from which psychic phenomenan, and other such things arise from, also. So, who knows, but it IS interesting to think about and try to experience just what the limits to human potential might be.

-- Damian Solorzano (, January 29, 1999.

"In my Father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you."

Sorry, all you ICTHYians, for borrowing, but that's where that one goes for me.

Monroe got to go out flying and verify some of the experiences later with those he had visited in non-physical form. (I've only done one little night-flying I remember, fluttering around my parents' bedroom ceiling when I was 200 miles away.)

My verification has long been from hearing the Near-Death experiences that thousands of people have reported, none of them trained or coached in advance to report such similar visions and experiences.

Those who deny the likelihood of them having peeked into a significant extension of the reality we think we know here are, to me, like the y2k Pollys who keep asking "Show me a single instance of ... etc."

Scientific method says one valid exception disproves the theory of life limited to physicality. There are thousands. Whatcha gonna do?

There's a metaphysics, and a morality, in it. We are not these bodies; we are the spirits behind these eyes every minute of each day. And if we remember that as we meet those other eyes, maybe after all the shopping malls have shut down and we're not so damned distracted, we'll get through y2k or anything much better.

And even if we don't get de-malled by a 7-10, it would be a good thing to remember and to live.

-- (, January 29, 1999.

And I get slammed if I quote a verse out of the Bible? "The System" of Banking, debt and monopoly money will die, y2k or no y2k!

-- Mark Hillyard (, January 29, 1999.

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