ethical dilemmas : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

What will you do if things get really bad and neighbors start knocking on your door asking for stuff?

-- i.m.concerned (???, January 27, 1999


If dey is nice, I share the rice

If dey got gun, dey GONE!

-- (@@@.@), January 27, 1999.

A. Tell them the you are in as bad a shape as them.

B. Knock on their door first, same question.

C. Don't answer the door. If they persist, tell them you're too sick and weak to get up, and to go away.

I certainly hope you haven't told any of them that you've got "stuff", or you may need a new door in short order...

-- Why2K? (, January 27, 1999.

To I.M Concerned:

The people who inhabit this world are all my brothers and sisters. In times of need I would help them to the best of my ability.

I would minister to them the scriptures, I would share my food, and I would ask for their services in return.

Personally, I do have a gun. But I won't shoot a man unless it's clear that there is no other recourse. Violence begets violence, and the man that you shoot is always someone's brother, husband, father, son etc. etc. The is always the fear of a vengeful relative if you take that responsibility upon yourself. You can't stay awake 24/7 after all. Live peaceably, and you'll find it's much easier to live in peace.

I have limited money therefore I can only prepare in the most fundemental way. I cannot share what little stock of food I had if doing so causes my own death. But try and keep a clear head about you. In times of need the smallest of favors are looked upon with grace and gratitude. That may be hard to remember these days when we are so fortunate and everyone has a car in the garage and a tv next to the fireplace. I think that when the times comes, if you have a conscience, you will know what to do. In the meanwhile, read the holy words from whichever religion you adhere to and keep those teachings close to your heart.

"Things fall apart, the center does not hold"

"What rough beast, it's hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"


-- (, January 27, 1999.

"Icertainly hope you haven't told any of them that you have any "stuff",or you may need a new door in short order." It's good to see some of the GI's really "getting it". Don't pull a Paul Milne and let the whole world know that on his 20 acres he has 5 caches with grass growing over them. He, ladies and gentlemen has put his family at risk.

-- thinkIcan (, January 27, 1999.

Dear anon: How does that Bible scripture go? "No greater love hath any man, that he lay his life down for a friend." So, I think you should invite every one who knocks on your door in for a meal. Or how about this one? "Your entertaining angels, unaware?" Those people knocking on your door could be angels." It could also be God testing you, to see if you are truly a child of God and ministering to his people. Your food stash could be multiplied 100 fold just like when Jesus fed the multitude with bread and fish. You only have to have faith that he will provide and come through for you. Keep his teachings close to your heart and do what he says to do.

-- Faith (, January 27, 1999.

"good grief" what was that?

-- thinkIcan (, January 27, 1999.

Dear "thinkIcan:" It was a reply to "anon," and if you read his comment, I responded in harmony with him. Did I offend you? It was an encouragement to him.

-- Faith (, January 27, 1999.

To "think-i-can": with due respect, can't [all] you posters out there "lay off" the sarcasm when someone posts something outside of the "get-out-of-the-city with your beans/gold/guns" "dogma" which has "evolved" on this forum? While I "got it" re Y2K long ago and AM preparing, I share the concern expressed in thread; and I appreciate Faith's "take" on the concern. At present, I am inclined to share with any who ask and with some who may not even ask but be in obvious need; anyone, though, who comes though my door uninvited looking for his own definition of "trouble" is gonna BE with the angels. . . Why not just give this forum the benefit of your personal "take", and let any who read a particular thread reach their own conclusions about whatever the heck a poster posts?? Just my own $.02. Thanks.

-- Nowi Gedit (, January 27, 1999.


Stock up lots of extra basics -- rice, beans, wheat -- so you can share, and encourage your neighbors and community to do so too. Do as much as you can to help. Share your knowledge freely and encourage and teach them to help themselves, and to prepare to help others.

It completes a circle of giving and receiving.


-- Diane J. Squire (, January 27, 1999.

Just how many neighbors do you have? And how about the hungry armed people just looking for any signs of life to take advantage of? Sound like most GI's are really PGI's (partially get it). The violence which the fall of the infrastructure will bring has to be faced.

"Your old life was a frantic running from silence". Rumi

-- David Hammer (, January 27, 1999.

David------I really like that"sounds like most GI's are really PGI's {partially get it} One has to do some serious thinking about how people would behave if their family was starving and they knew you had food. If I allow some in for some soup or "oatmeal" I know I won't make it. Lets hope our government {hahaha} will have some soup kitchens for those type of hungry individuals. Bye the way,if there are "soup kitchens", I'll be there. If I wasn't, they might think I had some extra food, I want to be able to hide in plain sight.

-- thinkIcan (, January 27, 1999.

Well, for the tough guys among us, here's another perspective:

Kill Him As He Comes Up the Road ?


-- Runway Cat (, January 27, 1999.

said it before and I'll say it again:

God gives each of us certain folks for whom we are responsible. Given that those folks are already taken care of, we will share what we can with those who are peacable about asking. Those who aren't will be met with sufficient force to deal with the confrontation. The only way to do this is to function as a community - community oriented support and community oriented defense.

In other words, work to find and become part of a community of folks where at least the majority are aware and'll cut down on problems later. It's also why I'm moving out of here (DC metro area) in the not too distant future.


-- Arlin H. Adams (, January 28, 1999.

I get out my AR-15 and blow their heads off, of course!!!

(Damn peasants. How dare they intrusively demand stuff!)

-- Paul Malne (, January 28, 1999.


I think your right.

It reminds me of that story of when Jesus and the men went sailing across the sea. When the storm whipped up the waves were crashing down on the small boat and the men were helplessly bailing water and cursing Jesus for being sound asleep throughout the whole episode. Then Jesus awoke, waved his hand at the merciless sea, and it went calm. The clouds parted and the sun came out. With disgust and anger he asked the men... " Where is your faith? "

I think that for the true religious man there is a question of faith here, and how you will be presented before the Almighty at the time of your death. Can you say, I freely gave to my neighbors? Or will you say, I spent the last days of my life protecting the material wealth you accumulated the year before?

Me, I'd rather take the first choice.

-- (, January 28, 1999.

Um, Paul, you work with a shotgun I believe, remember ?

-- Blue Himalayan (bh@ky.y), January 28, 1999.

Feed 'em.

-- Spidey (, January 28, 1999.

"How much for your daughter?" Blues Brothers

Just kidding, ofcourse. Depends on how much you warned them before TSHTF, or if you even knew them before y2k.

-- Bill (, January 28, 1999.

i already have quarantine signs to post on my doors, Hepitis C, Small pox, Anthrax, Ebola, you name it I Got it!!!!!

-- Matt (, January 28, 1999.

Why is everyone so worried? Who so changed our mindset? Think about this! Who or what? We did not worry about getting robbed or killed even though:

" As the new Deutschmark was introduced, the old Reichsmark became worthless. The currency was converted in incremental stages at a ratio of ten to one. During this period there was little money in circulation and there were few items available to buy, as had been true in past economic depressions. The government provided each person with seventy-five marks of head money per month. Since many people had lost most of their possessions and had no earnings, barter became a necessity. Ma wrote me that one egg cost approximately one Deutschmark, with about four and a half marks to a dollar.

In spite of this, why was there no crime in Simonswolde? Was it because of the instant justice applied at an early age? Or did all the criminals leave the country during and after the war?

Since we were so poor that we had to grub on manure piles, we were fortunate to have two aunts in America who sent us packages... ...Most of the packages from our aunts contained cigarettes, tea or coffee because these were scarce in post-war Germany, did not spoil, and were easily shipped. Coffee addicts also drank ersatz coffee of roasted cereal grains to get by. We bartered these items for food...

East Friesians crave tea as much as the English and Dutch. Since Ma and Aunt Adele thought that the farmers would have pity on us, they asked little brother and me to solicit them for milk. Or they were too embarrassed to beg themselves. We offered them tea or money and usually received one liter for one tea bag.

Ma traded a pack of cigarettes for a black chicken. I misunderstood her name Gretchen, called her Gettchen, and was very protective of her. When the neighbor's rooster mounted her, pecked at her comb, and somewhere else, I courageously chased him off with a stick.

Fortunately Ma also had bartered for one dozen brown eggs that were fertilized. Gettchen patiently hatched them and created twelve baby chicks, all hens and no roosters..."

-- TTF (, January 28, 1999.

"i already have quarantine signs to post on my doors, Hepitis C, Small pox, Anthrax, Ebola, you name it I Got it!!!!! "

Matt, funny at first glance, but great idea!

"Why is everyone so worried? Who so changed our mindset? Think about this! Who or what? We did not worry about getting robbed or killed even though:"

TTF, surely you must realize that this is a different country with different attitudes and up-bringing in its citizens, and a different time? It's too late to change the culture, but it's not too late to change your OWN mindset. Don't trust anyone, americans or germans, to help you out peacefully next year, even among a carefully well chosen "Y2K community". Among the masses, the respect for neighbors, society, humanity, has eroded to a mere shadow of what it once was.

-- Chris (, January 28, 1999.

"Who so changed our mindset? Think about this! Who or what?"

Everyone of us did. By being sheeples and not rocking the boat as society changed.

-- Chris (, January 28, 1999.

Speaking of ethics, I remember a guy who posted a query a long time ago on GN 'relocation'. He said he wanted to bug out by car to a lake shore, then he would have to cross the lake by boat, leaving the car on the shore. His question: is there any way to protect the car ?

Most creative unethical answer: yes, leave a brown bag with several bottles (one open and apparently partially drunk from) of poisoned liquor in the back seat. This will kill the first thieves and discourage the next.

This board now is looking more and more like 'relocation' did back last summer. Guess they were really the cutting cultural edge...


-- Runway Cat (, January 28, 1999.

Turn the picture around: Imagine yourself burned out of your own well-stocked home, all of your careful preparations now gone, & you're knocking at someone ELSE's door. What do you hope that person will do...?

-- optimistic (not@homeless.yet), January 28, 1999.

Dear Chris,

"Everyone of us did. By being sheeples and not rocking the boat as society changed."

I'll borrow a sheep outfit and run around with a big flock. At least I'll keep warm and no one will find me. At least not until shearing time.

-- TTF (, January 28, 1999.

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