Stalin's grandson (his father was captured by the Germans in WW2; the Germans offered to exchange him for a captured general, but his daddy refused and son died in prison) has come to power as head of a Worker's Party. Mr Dhugshavelich (sp -5, but it's Stalin's real surname) was a military drill instructor or something like that. He apparently called the millions that Stalin killed "lies, made up by Solzhenitsyn". (So Mr Solzhenitsyn bribed all the refugees and so on, and the purges never happened, collectivisation never happened, there were no famines, the NKVD never existed, and the Gulag Archipelago was just a hoax?). He went on to praise Grand-daddy and socialism.

This is like a nationalist grandson of Hitler taking a leadership position in a far-right party and proclaiming that the Holocaust never happened.

When Yeltsin dies, the aftermath ain't gonna be pretty.

--Leo

-- Leo (lchampion@ozemail.com.au), January 22, 1999

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Leo leo leo - have you ever done the usual antipodian coming if age thing - I believe the real Australians call it "walkabout" - whereby a bunch of young sprogs buy a VW Camper and do a European "tour". The chaps discover what beer is (no, not XXXX), and the women discover what sex is all about...

Pleeeze - no more international reports until you've got yourself a passport, an ID card, are able to drink more than two real pints on the trot, and a little more compassion, arsehole... Oh, I'm forgetting, you went to Tasmania on a day trip...

"Just saw a report on CNN about Novogrod in Russia - abolutely heartbraking. The whole place is starving. There was only one factory, which shut down 5 years ago. No jobs at all. Only food is potatoes, bread, water - and the first two are hard to get.

One young single (unemployed) mum gave 2 infant daughters to the orphanage after they got sick living on bread and water only.

A single father (not worked for 3 years - driver) - gave his 5 kids to the same orphanage.

They interviewed a woman, whose job was in the orphanage (yee ha!) earning a measly $20 a month. The kids live on potatoes and canned jam. As do her own kids at home.

Jesus H. Christ - it sickens me what is going on over there.

And people say that Russian Nukes are not a threat? I for one see past that one - it's only a matter of time before something gives - Civil War, who knows???

Andy"

Get a fucking grip LEO!

Just saw a report on CNN about Novogrod in Russia - abolutely heartbraking. The whole place is starving. There was only one factory, which shut down 5 years ago. No jobs at all. Only food is potatoes, bread, water - and the first two are hard to get.

One young single (unemployed) mum gave 2 infant daughters to the orphanage after they got sick living on bread and water only.

A single father (not worked for 3 years - driver) - gave his 5 kids to the same orphanage.

They interviewed a woman, whose job was in the orphanage (yee ha!) earning a measly $20 a month. The kids live on potatoes and canned jam. As do her own kids at home.

Jesus H. Christ - it sickens me what is going on over there.

And people say that Russian Nukes are not a threat? I for one see past that one - it's only a matter of time before something gives - Civil War, who knows???

Andy

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 22, 1999.

I don't drink beer. Don't like the stuff. But I can take half a bottle of vodka and function as effectively as always. It takes more than a six-pack to knock me down.

That fact being about as relevant to my original post as your reply that brought up my need to defend it.

That things in Russia are not nice, is irrelevant to the existence of this new Dzhugashvili. Are you saying it's good that the place has a new Hitler, to fix the country's problems by throwing the Jews/Capitalists into labor camps?

--Leo

-- Leo (lchampion@ozemail.com.au), January 22, 1999.

Leo,

This is a Y2k forum.

If you want to post something not about Y2k (as this one seems to be), post it in another forum.

If what you want to post is related to Y2k, but doesn't mention what the relationship is, it runs the risk of looking an awful lot like a posting that's not Y2k-related.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), January 22, 1999.

They"ll go for the heartland, and the connection is, y2k took out our defensive eyes.???

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 22, 1999.

Maybe this will help!

FishNet: Internet service for business and ministry http://www.fni.com/ > >********************************************************* >Y2kWatch News - Information for Education and Preparation >--------------------------------------------------------- >Visit http://Y2kWatch.com/ January 18, 1998 >********************************************************* > >Dear Y2k Weatherman, > >60 Minutes recently featured a lead story on a secret city >in Russia call Krasnoyarsk-26 located in Siberia. This >story was not about Y2k but about the fact that at this place >the Russians are still making weapons grade plutonium. What >makes this very relevant to the Y2k issue is that the Russians >CAN NOT shut down this reactor because it produces steam that >is used to heat the city of 100,000 people. > >My wife and I have done missionary work in Russia and their >way of heating a city is a little different from us. In Russia >they provide heat to homes by steam produced from reactors or >coal fired steam plants. These reactors may provide the only >heat for millions of people who have no alternative way of >keeping alive in the harsh Russian winters. > >Even if the Russian government were to see the danger and want >to shut down their reactors they can't because they would be >causing millions of their people to freeze to death in the middle >of their winter. > >Y2k in Russia can be a very dangerous thing! > >In His Service, >Jerry M. >Birmingham, AL > >--- > >// Y2k Weatherman Comments // > >Although the potential for Y2k disruptions in the USA is not >small, we have more technology resources, wealth, and are the >best prepared nation for the coming crisis. > >But even if the United States was 100% compliant for Y2k, >problems like the one mentioned above exist all over the >world. I'm anticipating the United States will fare better >than most of the rest of the technology dependent world in >the immediate aftermath of Y2k, but we also have the most to >lose as the wealthiest country on the planet. Third world >countries are far less dependent on technology than we are, >and have much lower standards of living to begin with, but >sadly they will suffer even more as countries like the US >will probably be focusing on domestic problems and unable >to lend assistance. > >Still, we live in a global economy and the Y2k crisis is >global and systemic in nature. Nobody can accurately predict >what will happen with Y2k. I would call my Y2k perspective is >"cautiously optimistic" since I plan to be personally prepared. >Unfortunately, the vast majority of people will remain foolishly >uninformed, uneducated, and unprepared which will tend to make >whatever Y2k problems we experience worse than they need to be. >Preparedness is part of the solution. > >The Y2k Weatherman >(c)1999 Millennium Insights, LLC >== >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >+ Are you ready for Y2k? Visit http://Y2kWatch.com/ + >+ Let us prepare to serve, not just prepare to survive! + >+ Ezekiel 3:17, 1 Timothy 5:8, Romans 8:28 + >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ ____ >(un)subscribe on the Web: http://y2kwatch.com/articles.html?mcat=8 > >To (un)subscribe by email, send a message with no subject to >y2k-news-request@y2kwatch.com with a single line of message >with either: subscribe or unsubscribe > > >

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 22, 1999.

Then again maybe this will help!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-01/21/048r-012199- idx.html

Sorry don't know how to do the link thing.

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 22, 1999.

Keep posting this information. The world econmic situation and leadership situation is very important to y2k. If you don't know why, then you are a butthead to the nth degree.

-- Bill (y2khippo@yahoo.com), January 22, 1999.

really hope this is the one you wanted as there was a spurious space in your reference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-01/21/048r-012199- idx.html

thanks again Arnie. CR

-- Chuck, night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 22, 1999.

Be very careful - the "law" does not exist as we know it, more like the "old west" literally where the local crime bosses rule in many places.

If he goes as a tourist, he will treasure the experience, but there are real dangers - probably no poltical "games" or potential terrorism as in the Middle East (Iran, Iraq, Afgan, etc.) from political pressure/imprisonment, but rather from extortion, bribery, possible other crimes done for money.

If it is a business trip, let the buyer beware. There is a lot of talent in the country, and tremendous resources, but the political impact of doing business (not only money stability, exchange rates, and loan guarantees) is very difficult.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), January 22, 1999.

Arc Angel: Over on the AOL survivalism board there was and perhaps still is a regular poster whose handle I've forgotten who makes regular and repeated trips to Moscow and other russian cities. I suspect he works for an oil company. He has tons of insight into the situation over there, especially as an American traveling in bits and pieces of the old USSR. I'm sure if you were to post a message looking for him, he would respond. Cash, who no longer has an AOL account.

-- Cash (cash@andcarry.com), January 22, 1999.

Whoaa boy - I did not post that response - having your fun again JBD?

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 22, 1999.

Arc Angel:

"My dad plans on taking two trips to Russia (and Ukraine) this year... one in July, another in September. Anyone (else) in here think this is a monumentaly bad idea??"

A word of warning, just read a report about three men whose heads had been found on the roadway somewhere in Russia - a kidnapping that had gone wrong - anyone else see this report? Russian Mafia again, looks like they are now copying the Italians and South Americans.

Leo - this report does have relevance to the y2k in the broadest macro-economic sense. I don't know who was jerking our chains but I did not make that post.

Nothing wrong with Castlemaine at the right alc. level!

Andy

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), January 22, 1999.

Andy; I've been fucked around with by trolls too, so I apologise for getting pissed at you.

Jerry, I hope you appreciate the fact that 12 months from now you will be dead, of either starvation, hunger, or (hopefully; it'd bring somebody great satisfaction) violence.

-- Leo (lchampion@ozemail.com.au), January 22, 1999.