Well in my studies on the subject of New World Order, or the politically correct term "Global Neighborhood". I find the information that I am coming across very disturbing. Implemmintation of this New World Order in the United States is supposed to be established by the year 2000, "whether the people of the United States like it or not!" All information a links can be found at www.warroom.com, the website is a Pittsburgh talk show host by the name of Jim Quinn. His links have very good information on New World order, executive orders passed by President Clinton, (I strongly recommend reading these), the United Nations land grab in the United States, soverign rights, etc. I believe being informed is the best weapon against any advisary. The y2k crisis could be the spark that starts the fire, if it is not thank God, but if it is we must be informed, we must be prepared. READ THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS PASSED BY PRESIDENT CLINTON SINCE HE WAS IN OFFICE!

-- Scott (designmaxx@earthlink.net), January 19, 1999

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Scott,

These things were supposed to happen in the 1970's...first when Rockefeller was Vice President ("something" would happen to Gerald Ford), and later the same things were said when Jimmy Carter became President.

This kind of talk is really, really old news to me. If it didn't happen then, why should it happen now? George Bush used the term "New World Order" all the time.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), January 20, 1999.

Why should it happen now?!!! If there are rolling blackouts across the nation, supply line disruptions, and fuel shortages then you are insane if you think that Martial Law will not be declared. If Y2K is anything other than a bump in the road, then we are at the mercy of Clinton and the government that has been shafting us all for so long.

-- d (d@dgi.com), January 20, 1999.

d,

Martial law in 2000 would not surprise me at all--I'm expecting that. It's the "NWO" part of it I was questioning. There can be legitimate reasons for declaring martial law. Y2K would certainly qualify.

I'm more worried about who we might elect in this country if we have a depression that lasts for years.

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), January 20, 1999.

From www.warroom.com: "What are Executive Orders? They are laws established by U.S. presidents. These laws are not passed by the House or the Senate and create an end-run around the Constitution."

Since the authority of Executive Orders is derived from the Presidency whose authority is derived from the Constitution, they inherently cannot "create an end-run" around the Constitution. EOs are not constitutional amendments.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), January 20, 1999.

>the United Nations land grab in the United States

Wrong.

The map and list of sites at http://www.warroom.com/grab.ht ml is meaningless because there is no UN land grab.

I have pointed out in another thread that the UN's Global Heritage Program (or whatever it's called) involves no transfer of ownership or control. The EO referring to it specifically states that US law remains supreme in this matter.

Please stop posting right-wing lies. They waste forum space and mislead people who don't take the trouble to look up the facts.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), January 20, 1999.

For that matter, don't post left-wing lies, either.

If I seem not to flame those, it's because there are already plenty of other forum participants efficiently taking care of them.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), January 20, 1999.

heee heee

-- wicked (me@insane.com), January 20, 1999.

True An EO is not a constitional amendment, but is a law if not repealed by the congress within 30 days. I ask you if the government does not seem to take the y2k problem seriously and we are at peace, then why would such laws be passed by EO. Terrorism? That is a joke. If we were at war (I mean a real war, not this pokein around in the middle east crap) I would not react to the EO passed by the current establishment, but we are at peace (supposedly) our economy is booming, unemployment is a an all time low, why in the world would we need an executive order on martial law? All I ask of anyone is to be aware and question everything. We must stop this bickering among each other, we are Americans, we are free. Talk to some one in a war torn country, talk to some one who has escape from a communist country. My wife spent 2 years of her life fleeing from communist Vietnam, starving on beaches, praying that the U.S. would take her family. Cousins of hers were shot trying to cross a river into Laos. (this post Vietnam War). Her fatjer was incarcerated for fighting for freedom! Wake up America......we got it good!

-- Scott (sbend@hotmail.com), January 20, 1999.

Right-wing lies? Left-wing lies?

Here is a good example of the NWO vision:

http://www.dsausa.org/about/about.html

from the Democratic Socialists. Here is a list of "leaders" (?) in the US supporting them, indirectly:

http://www.dsausa.org/pc/pc.members.html

Of course, these folks wouldn't THINK of using Y2K as an excuse to further their cause...

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@anonymous.com), January 20, 1999.

OK, I've read all of this string, and understand where everyone is coming from. We would all agree (I hope) that the mechanisms are in place for a president to effectively put a stranglehold on our civil liberties. Also, that it has not happened yet. (and maybe it won't) So now what. 1. y2k can definitely create enough of a disturbance to make the govt act. 2. Our govt already has a track record of manipulating information to the public to bring about it's wishes. It very well could be doing it now.(ya think) If we have learned anything, I would think it would be that, if we as a people do not agree with what is going on, the ONLY way we can change it, is to come together in one accord. Confront our govt with one voice. Right now I hear and see a bunch of factions argueing over what ifs. I understand whoever picks up the flag will probably end up a martyr, but unless we become one, the govt will always be bigger and stronger. I personally have no doubt that the govt will play this card soon (for any number of reasons)We are a minority, the majority don't know, don't care, won't get involved. If we come together now, and remove some of the building blocks, then we won't have to worry if the monster will wake up.

-- sam (we're@theend.com), January 20, 1999.

addendum: as I see it, we have two available choices. We can work through the law now, or join Nikoli in revolution later. I don't see any other choices. Status Quo will not be acceptable soon.

-- sam (we're@theend.com), January 20, 1999.

New World Order is so boring a phrase and so old! If you look on the back of a 1-dollar bill, you will find the words "new world order" written in Latin just below the pyramid. Those words have been on the Great Seal of the U.S. for a LONG time now. That's why every President uses them. Give us a break with the conspiracy theories already!

-- b (b@b.b), January 20, 1999.

"The New Order" spoken of on the dollar is not a reference to this tyrannical Banking System we are living under. It refers to the Freedom established here in the USA, Declaration of Independence, Constitution and all that this country stands for. If memory serves me right Andrew Jackson fought the Banking System, made some headway but eventually money overcame reason. "Money talks and cash is king, listen to them greenbacks sing. Penny for your thoughts of green..."

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 20, 1999.

Conspiracy theories have been around for a long time. Being a pop culture and history buff, let me quote you something from the book "Only Yesterday" by Frederick Lewis Allen, written in 1931. This is from the chapter "Harding and the Scandals", and is about the Teapot Dome scandal and efforts by the press in 1924 to publicize it:

Substantial business men solemnly informed one another that mistakes might have been made but that it was unpatriotic to condemn them and thus to "cast discredit on the Government," and that those who insisted on probing them to the bottom were "nothing better than Bolsheviki." One of the leading super-patriots of the land, Fred R. Marvin of the Key Men of America, said the whole oil scandal was the result of "a gigantic international conspiracy ... of the internationalists, or shall we call them socialists and communists?"

-- Kevin (mixesmusic@worldnet.att.net), January 20, 1999.

"OK, I've read all of this string, and understand where everyone is coming from. We would all agree (I hope) that the mechanisms are in place for a president to effectively put a stranglehold on our civil liberties. Also, that it has not happened yet. (and maybe it won't) So now what. 1. y2k can definitely create enough of a disturbance to make the govt act. 2. Our govt already has a track record of manipulating information to the public to bring about it's wishes. It very well could be doing it now.(ya think) If we have learned anything, I would think it would be that, if we as a people do not agree with what is going on, the ONLY way we can change it, is to come together in one accord. Confront our govt with one voice. Right now I hear and see a bunch of factions argueing over what ifs. I understand whoever picks up the flag will probably end up a martyr, but unless we become one, the govt will always be bigger and stronger. I personally have no doubt that the govt will play this card soon (for any number of reasons)We are a minority, the majority don't know, don't care, won't get involved. If we come together now, and remove some of the building blocks, then we won't have to worry if the monster will wake up. "

Not possible in the US due to "Multi-culturalism". There is no cohesive voice, and due to changing demographics it will get worse if nothing is done to stop it by the existing white Christian majority (I think it is pretty well known that the "majority" is white & Christian, for better or for worse).

I expect to see this immediately after numerous sightings of flying pigs!

-- Anonymous99 (Anonymous99@anonymous.com), January 20, 1999.

By the way, if you're going to read Executive Orders, then read the _Executive Orders_ themselves, not just someone's commentary or summary of them. Many commentaries and summaries on the 'Net are heavily biased and not supportable by the text of the actual EOs to which they refer.

-- No Spam Please (anon@ymous.com), January 20, 1999.

"...Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 20, 1999.