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First read the transmission, to make what you can from it, then read the analysis.

On Fri, 8 Jan 99 1:20:04 GMT

} } This is very, very interesting. Intercepted this Naval Message, which }is seeking to get Naval Reserve Officers (Selected Reserve) into positions }with FEMA and CONUSA. } I can't decide if this is Y2K, expected other trouble, or all of that. }This is very unusual - The Navy has been losing people at a very high }rate. Remarkable that they would give up so many in this way. } } It is worth remembering that the posse comitatus act doesn't apply to }the Navy or the Marine Corp. } } }P 041500Z JAN 99 ZYB PSN 478994J41 }FM COMNAVRESFOR NEW ORLEANS LA//N511// }TO NAVRESFOR }BT }UNCLAS //N03000// }MSGID/GENADMIN/COMNAVRESFOR// }SUBJ/ADVERTISEMENT FOR NAVY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS LIAISON OFFICER }/(NEPLO) BILLETS// }PAGE 02 RUCOMCC0966 UNCLAS }REF/A/DOC/COMNAVRESFOR/960301// }AMPN/REF A IS COMNAVRESFORINST 3000.1D DETAILS THE NEPLO PROGRAM// }POC/MR. R.P. DAVIS/GS-12/N511/-/TEL:DSN 678-5075/TEL:DSN 678-1994 }/TEL:(504) 678-5075/TEL:(504) 678-1994// }RMKS/1. PURPOSE OF THIS MSG IS TO ANNOUNCE NEPLO BILLET VACANCIES AND TO }SOLICIT APPLICATIONS FROM QUALIFIED SENIOR NAVAL RESERVE OFFICERS. }2. BACKGROUND. THE NEPLO PROGRAM IS A SELRES PROGRAM IN WHICH }SELECTIVE RESERVE OFFICERS REPRESENT AND SUPPORT NAVY COMMANDERS IN }MPLEMENTING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE NATIONAL SECURITY }EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND MILITARY SUPPORT TO CIVIL AUTHORITY }PROGRAMS. SELRES OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THESE BILLETS ARE SPECIALLY }SELECTED BY A COMNAVRESFOR SELECTION BOARD. SUCCESSFUL NEPLOS ARE THOSE THAT HAVE EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNICATION AND INTERPERSONAL SKILLS AND CAN BE EFFECTIVE INTERFACING WITH HIGH RANKING MILITARY AND CIVIL OFFICIALS. NEPLOS ARE UNDER THE OPERATIONAL CONTROL OF THE SUPPORTED NAVY COMMANDER AND NORMALLY DRILL AT THEIR ASSIGNED HEADQUARTERS SITE IN A JOINT MILITARY ENVIRONMENT. }DETAILS OF THE PROGRAM ARE CONTAINED IN REF (A) AND ON THE INTERNET AT }WWW.NAVY.MIL/NAVRESFOR/N5/N51.HTM } }3. ELIGIBILITY. } A. NAVAL RESERVE OFFICERS (05/06) WITH DESIGNATOR 11X5, 13X5, }1635/55,1705, 31X5 AND 51X5. } B. BASED UPON AGE, YEARS OF COMMISSIONED SERVICE AND DATE OF }RANK, HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME REMAINING BEFORE MANDATORY RETIREMENT (30 }YEARS) TO COMPLETE A THREE YEAR TOUR IN THE BILLET. } C. APPLICATIONS FOR CDR BILLETS ARE NOT DESIRED FROM NDIVIDUALS WHO }HAVE BEEN BOARD SELECTED FOR CAPT. } D. INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR THE NEPLO BILLETS AT THE CONTINENTAL }ARMY (CONUSA), DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD), DIRECTOR OF MILITARY }SUPPORT, FORCES COMMAND AND FEMA REG 09 DET HI MUST BE ABLE TO }PERFORM THEIR INACTIVE DRILLS DURING THE REGULAR WORKWEEK. } E. INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR THE BILLETS AT THE STATE ADJUTANTS }GENERAL HEADQUARTERS MUST BE A RESIDENT OF THE STATE IN WHICH THE BILLET }IS LOCATED. } F. INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR DOD, FORSCOM, CONUSA, AND FEMA }BILLETS MUST RESIDE WITHIN 200 MILES OF THE DRILL SITE. } G. INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE COMPLETED A THREE YEAR TOUR AS AN NEPLO MAY }NOT APPLY FOR ANOTHER NEPLO BILLET UNTIL ONE YEAR HAS ELAPSED. }4. APPLICATION AND SELECTION PROCEDURES. } A. INTERESTED NAVAL RESERVE OFFICERS ARE TO SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING }DOCUMENTS (1) SHORT COVER LTR OUTLINING BILLET DESIRED, CONTACT }PHONE NOS/EMAIL ADDRESS (2) OFFICER SUMMARY RECORD, (3) COPIES OF LAST }THREE REGULAR FITNESS REPORTS, (4) CURRENT OFFICIAL PHOTOGRAPH, (5) SHORT }CIVILIAN BIO OR OFFICER QUALIFICATIONS QUESTIONAIRE (NO OTHER DOCUMENTS ARE }DESIRED). SUBMIT APPLICATION TO COMMANDER, NAVAL RESERVE FORCE (N511), 4400 }DAUPHINE STREET, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70146-5000 NLT 01 JUNE 1999. } B. NEPLOS WILL BE SELECTED BY A COMNAVRESFOR BOARD TO CONVENE IN }JUNE. }TO ENSURE CONSIDERATION FOR OTHER RESERVE BILLET OPPORTUNITIES, }INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR NEPLO BILLETS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ALSO APPLY FOR OTHER BILLETS THEY MAY DESIRE. HOWEVER, THOSE OFFICERS SELECTED FOR NEPLO POSITIONS WILL BE EXPECTED TO ACCEPT APPOINTMENT. } C. ANNOUNCEMENT OF SELECTIONS WILL BE MADE PRIOR TO 01 JULY 99. }INQUIRIES PRIOR TO OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ARE NOT DESIRED. }5. AVAILABLE BILLETS. }BILLET RANK LOCATION (DRILL SITE) }NEPLO CONUSA ONE CAPT GREAT LAKES, IL }NEPLO CONUSA FIVE CAPT SAN DIEGO, CA }NEPLO ALASKA COMMAND CAPT ELMENDORF, AFB, AK }NEPLO ALASKA COMMAND CDR ELMENDORF, AFB, AK }NEPLO FORCES COMMAND CAPT ATLANTA, GA }NEPLO ALASKA CAPT/CDR FORT RICHARDSON, AK }NEPLO ARKANSAS CAPT/CDR LITTLE ROCK, AR }NEPLO ARIZONA CAPT/CDR PHOENIX, AZ }NEPLO CALIFORNIA CAPT/CDR SACRAMENTO, CA }NEPLO HAWAII CAPT/CDR HONOLULU, HI }NEPLO ILLINOIS CAPT/CDR SPRINGFIELD, IL }NEPLO IOWA CAPT/CDR JOHNSON CITY, IA }NEPLO MASSACHUSETTS CAPT/CDR READING, MA }NEPLO MONTANA CAPT/CDR HELENA, MT }NEPLO NORTH CAROLINA CAPT/CDR RALEIGH, NC }NEPLO NEVADA CAPT/CDR CARSON CITY, NV }NEPLO PUERTO RICO CAPT/CDR SAN JUAN, PR }NEPLO TEXAS CAPT/CDR AUSTIN, TX }NEPLO VIRGINIA CAPT/CDR RICHMOND, VA }NEPLO WASHINGTON CAPT/CDR TACOMA, WA }NEPLO DIR OF MIL SUPPORT CDR WASHINGTON, DC }NEPLO DEPT OF DEFENSE CAPT WASHINGTON DC }NEPLO FEMA REGION 03 CDR PHILADELPHIA, PA }NEPLO FEMA REGION 04 CAPT ATLANTA, GA }NEPLO FEMA REGION 06 CDR DENTON, TX }NEPLO FEMA REGION 07 CDR KANSAS CITY, MO }NEPLO FEMA REGION 09 (DET) CAPT HONOLULU, HI }NEPLO FEMA REGION 09 CAPT SAN DIEGO, CA }6. RPAS ARE ENCOURAGED TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE TO SIT ON THE }SELECTION BOARD TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO MEET 16-18 JUNE 99. }7. ALL NAVRESFOR COMMANDS PLEASE PROVIDE WIDEST DISSEMINATION OF THIS }BILLET ANNOUNCEMENT. }8. E-MAIL ADDRESS: DAVISRP@CNRF.NOLA.NAVY.MIL.// }BT }

NATIONAL EMERGENCY PROGRAM LAISON OFFICERS (NEPLOS): We loved you in Chile, '72, we're going to REALLY love you in Amerika in '99.

Damn, it's Deja vu all over again folks. Flashbacks to Chile, 1972. I was there, and so was the good old US Navy, in force. In fact I was there with US Navy in a simliar '''LIAISON" role, except then CIVIL AUTHORITY PROGRAM" included mass arrests, mass executions and mass burials outside of town. Of course, just because the US did it in Chile, doesn't mean they would ever consider doing it in California. Right? Don't think so? Just wait and see.

Did you catch the following points:

1. WHAT

So many slots available. Nationwide. Look at all the locations. Look at the rank they are looking for. Commanders and above! Laisons at this level mean they are working with people at the top (governors) in every state and with the regional heads of FEMA and other Federal Agencies. This is a FULL SCALE NATIONAL SECURITY MOBILIZATION being planned boys and girls. Wake up and smell the f*cking coffee !

Responsibilities:

TO REPRESENT AND SUPPORT NAVY COMMANDERS IN IMPLEMENTING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE NATIONAL SECURITY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND MILITARY SUPPORT TO CIVIL AUTHORITY PROGRAMS.

So what is the "NATIONAL SECURITY EMERGENCY" they are staffing up for nationwide????

What MILITARY SUPPORT is being planned for CIVIL AUTHORITY PROGRAMS. Which CIVIL AUTHORITY PROGRAMS? Why this year, and for what reason? Looks every bit like a wartime mobilization that completely goes around any Posse Commitatus restricitions. Massive arrests and detentions. Maybe even executions of "specific troublemakers" During 'WARTIME", such expedients as due process don't mean shit.

Preference given to those candidates who have participated in past Coups engineered and managed by the US Military. Experience with management of Death Squads and Assasination highly desirable. Candidates having participated in the US operated Coup in Chile in 1972 will be given first preference.

Remember what a "JOINT MILITARY ENVIRONMENT" is called. It's also called a Joint Military Theater of Operations, or a WAR to the laymen.

SUCCESSFUL NEPLOS ARE THOSE THAT HAVE EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNICATION AND INTERPERSONAL SKILLS AND CAN BE EFFECTIVE INTERFACING WITH HIGH RANKING MILITARY AND CIVIL OFFICIALS. NEPLOS ARE UNDER THE OPERATIONAL CONTROL OF THE SUPPORTED NAVY COMMANDER AND NORMALLY DRILL AT THEIR ASSIGNED HEADQUARTERS SITE IN A JOINT MILITARY ENVIRONMENT.

2. WHO

this is an 'ADVERTISEMENT FOR NAVY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS LIAISON OFFICER(s)"

No details of why these positions are suddenly needed, at such a scale, nationwide to interface with how many branches of the Federal government, for what reason. ?????

" NAVAL RESERVE OFFICERS (05/06) WITH DESIGNATOR 11X5, 13X5, }1635/55,1705, 31X5 AND 51X5."

OK, I know what Offier level 05 and 06 are (Commander and Captain), but what are they n X n designators for? Any NAV weenies out there have an answer?

"APPLICATIONS FOR CDR BILLETS ARE NOT DESIRED FROM NDIVIDUALS WHO }HAVE BEEN BOARD SELECTED FOR CAPT."

This commonly happens when looking to place officers in a billet in which protracted military action is expected (Dont' want to lose a good Captain candidate in action, when any ol' Commander will do).

Jesus Christ! How many Navy Captains are they assigning as Liaisons. Just about to every other military organization there is out there, including FEMA. I would sure hate to miss this party. It's going to be a BLOW OUT.

INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR THE NEPLO BILLETS AT: THE CONTINENTAL ARMY (CONUSA), DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD) DIRECTOR OF MILITARY SUPPORT FORCES COMMAND FEMA REG 09 DET HI MUST BE ABLE TO PERFORM THEIR INACTIVE DRILLS DURING THE REGULAR WORKWEEK. INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR THE BILLETS AT THE STATE ADJUTANTS GENERAL HEADQUARTERS MUST BE A RESIDENT OF THE STATE IN WHICH THE BILLET IS LOCATED. INDIVIDUALS APPLYING FOR DOD, FORSCOM, CONUSA, AND FEMA BILLETS MUST RESIDE WITHIN 200 MILES OF THE DRILL SITE.

2. WHEN

for 'THREE YEAR TOUR IN THE BILLET" That's a long time if the only reason is long enough for the federal government to deal with a computer bug. 3 years is about how long most wars last.

"COMMAND OF NAVAL RESERVE FORCES BOARDS WILL CONVENE IN JUNE". 500,000 National Guardsmens are scheduled to be mobilized the month before (May), according to current plans of the Federal government. Will most of them still be on active duty after that? If so, how many, in which cities?, for what reason?, with what orders?, with what weapons? This is a full-scale WARFARE SCALE MOBILIZATION.

" NEPLOS WILL BE SELECTED BY A COMNAVRESFOR BOARD TO CONVENE IN JUNE."

" ANNOUNCEMENT OF SELECTIONS WILL BE MADE PRIOR TO 01 JULY 99."

So what is expected to happen between 01 July 99 and end of the year? This clearly points to not only a massive mobilization of National Guardsmen (500,000) but also large callup of Naval Reservists as well to assist Federal Agencies including FEMA. Why? Posse Commitatus doesn't apply to Navy, Naval Reservists, Marines or Marine Reservists. Does it apply to the Naional Guard?

3. WHY

Must have missed that part

4. HOW MANY (notice 3 in Alaska: Good place to deter arrestees)

BILLET RANK LOCATION ----------- -------- NEPLO CONUSA ONE CAPT GREAT LAKES, IL NEPLO CONUSA FIVE CAPT SAN DIEGO, CA NEPLO ALASKA COMMAND CAPT ELMENDORF, AFB, AK NEPLO ALASKA COMMAND CDR ELMENDORF, AFB, AK NEPLO FORCES COMMAND CAPT ATLANTA, GA NEPLO ALASKA CAPT/CDR FORT RICHARDSON, AK NEPLO ARKANSAS CAPT/CDR LITTLE ROCK, AR NEPLO ARIZONA CAPT/CDR PHOENIX, AZ NEPLO CALIFORNIA CAPT/CDR SACRAMENTO, CA NEPLO HAWAII CAPT/CDR HONOLULU, HI NEPLO ILLINOIS CAPT/CDR SPRINGFIELD, IL NEPLO IOWA CAPT/CDR JOHNSON CITY, IA NEPLO MASSACHUSETTS CAPT/CDR READING, MA NEPLO MONTANA CAPT/CDR HELENA, MT NEPLO NORTH CAROLINA CAPT/CDR RALEIGH, NC NEPLO NEVADA CAPT/CDR CARSON CITY, NV NEPLO PUERTO RICO CAPT/CDR SAN JUAN, PR NEPLO TEXAS CAPT/CDR AUSTIN, TX NEPLO VIRGINIA CAPT/CDR RICHMOND, VA NEPLO WASHINGTON CAPT/CDR TACOMA, WA NEPLO DIR OF MIL SUPPORT CDR WASHINGTON, DC NEPLO DEPT OF DEFENSE CAPT WASHINGTON DC NEPLO FEMA REGION 03 CDR PHILADELPHIA, PA NEPLO FEMA REGION 04 CAPT ATLANTA, GA NEPLO FEMA REGION 06 CDR DENTON, TX NEPLO FEMA REGION 07 CDR KANSAS CITY, MO NEPLO FEMA REGION 09 (DET) CAPT HONOLULU, HI NEPLO FEMA REGION 09 CAPT SAN DIEGO, CA

-- Rich (rmaller@cns.net), January 19, 1999

Answers

I can hear Flint and Paul Davis and Declan now: "You guys!!! It's only an exercise!!"

On a serious note, the DTG looks legit. And anyhow, what did you expect - American government would fall whimpering to its knees? Hopefully this plan can be used "benignly" to keep the whole shooting match (no pun intended) from collapsing on top of us...but it seems kinda doubtful.

-- a (a@a.a), January 19, 1999.


hmmmm...

There's that darn Military Assistance to Civilian Authorities moniker again...

-- a (a@a.a), January 19, 1999.


One of my PM's in Lodge was a rag boat gunner in one of the more interesting theaters and then was assigned to a 'PR tour' which was in Peru Just about the time things got interesting there. He insists that all they did from the boat was work very hard to drink up the per diem they were issued, along with the civi clothes, but i know him a little better than that.......

cr

-- Chuck, night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 19, 1999.


Besides, this is NOT new news. It was posted here about a week ago.

-- Chuck, night driver (rienzoo@en.com), January 19, 1999.

Forget the Pollyannas. I could be Paul Milne's right hand man and I'll say it, "You guys!!! It's only an exercise!!" .

While the thrust of the Naval Message is certainly a whiff of something wicked this way comes, could we please stick to the facts about the National Guard exercise as we know them. Here are a couple of quotes from the recent WorldNetDaily articles. The emphasis on the work mock is mine.

"The plan as it is now being designed, will be a *mock* mobilization of all 480,000 members of the National Guard in all 54 states and territories. Exercise COMEX/MOBEX will be conducted without telephone, radio, or television to get the word to all guard members."

Exercise COMEX/MOBEX will be a test, not an actual mobilization. Guard members will be contacted, but they will not actually have to report.

Spend a few minutes and get your facts straight!

-- Bob Benson (appysys@inreach.com), January 19, 1999.



Let's try that again. I forgot some quote marks.

Forget the Pollyannas. I could be Paul Milne's right hand man and I'll say it, "You guys!!! It's only an exercise!!" .

While the thrust of the Naval Message is certainly a whiff of something wicked this way comes, could we please stick to the facts about the National Guard exercise as we know them. Here are a couple of quotes from the recent WorldNetDaily articles. The emphasis on the word mock is mine.

"The plan as it is now being designed, will be a *mock* mobilization of all 480,000 members of the National Guard in all 54 states and territories. Exercise COMEX/MOBEX will be conducted without telephone, radio, or television to get the word to all guard members."

"Exercise COMEX/MOBEX will be a test, not an actual mobilization. Guard members will be contacted, but they will not actually have to report."

Rick, spend a few minutes and get your facts straight! Anything less detracts from the important message you are trying to get across here.

-- Bob Benson (appysys@inreach.com), January 19, 1999.


Rich! I meant Rich... oh (bleep), never mind...

-- Bob Benson (appysys@inreach.com), January 19, 1999.

Hey Guys! Look at the title! I've been in the military and I can tell you, they dont mess around with their alphabet soup! COMEX = communication exercise MOBEX = mobilization exercise They WILL mobilise! Bill

-- Bill S. (arlene@inreach.com), January 19, 1999.

Bill S:

I think they will too. We've already heard that Wisconsin, Washington State, Ohio and KY plan on at least partial mobilizations. I've seen Texas mentioned in an e-mail too. But the item that Rich was dealing with is NOT a real call up, it is a test. Meanwhile, I keep my ear to the ground. I work at OTAG in CA.

-- Bob Benson (appysys@inreach.com), January 20, 1999.


Rich: I have a few questions that I consider very important in trying to figure out what this is about.

1. Are the NEPLOs recruitments/assigments done every year, or is this a rare event?

2. The selection of NEPLOs will be done by or before Jul. 1st. How long after that date do the NEPLOs begin actual duty at their assigned posts? A week, a month?

3. Are you in the military? = Do you have insider knowledge of the procedures?

4. If your answer to Q.3 is no, do you have trusted/reliable sources of information inside that could help answer Q.1 and Q.2 ?

I' dppreciate your response to this message. Thanks.

-- Tom B. (Tom@heads.up), January 20, 1999.



Bringing this back to the top, I'd like to see those questions answered too.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), January 20, 1999.

*Excerpt from The Year 2000: Social Chaos or Social Transformation? (Petersen, Wheatley, Kellner- Rogers:

"Theres an interesting lesson here about involvement that comes from the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. Just a few weeks prior the bombing, agencies from all over the city conducted an emergency preparedness drill as part of normal civil defense practice. They did not prepare themselves for a bomb blast, but they did work together on other disaster scenarios. The most significant accomplishment of the drill was to create an invisible infrastructure of trusting relationships. When the bomb went off, that infrastructure displayed itself as an essential resource--people could work together easily, even in the face of horror. Many lives were saved and systems were restored at an unprecedented rate because people from all over the community worked together so well.

But theres more to this story. One significant player had been excluded from the preparedness drill, and that was the FBI. No one thought theyd ever be involved in a Federal matter. To this day, people in Oklahoma City speak resentfully of the manner in which the FBI came in, pushed them aside, and offered no explanations for their behavior. In the absence of trusting relationships, some form of techno-fascism is the only recourse. Elizabeth Dole, as president of the American Red Cross commented: "The midst of a disaster is the poorest possible time to establish new relationships and to introduce ourselves to new organizations . . . . When you have taken the time to build rapport, then you can make a call at 2 a.m., when the rivers rising and expect to launch a well-planned, smoothly conducted response."

*The Year 2000: Social Chaos or Social Transformation? by Petersen, Wheatley, Kellner-Rogers is posted at: http://www.berkana.org /articles/y2k.html.

~C~


-- Critt Jarvis (Wilmington, NC) (critt@critt.com), January 20, 1999.

This was discussed at length here on this thread last week:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000N88

NEPLO is a routine Naval Reserve post. Been around for years. There's a link to the NEPLO FAQ in the above thread.

-- Lewis (aslanshow@yahoo.com), January 20, 1999.


So the NEPLO positions have been around for years. I wonder how many of them have gone wanting for someone to fill them for the last five ore more years. What an interesting coincidence that *this year* there's a big push to get those billets filled with bodies and not just let the positions remain unfilled. WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), January 20, 1999.

I have followed threads like this for years and it is my personal opinion that the United States of America is preparing for a "ground assault." I really do not care if you think I am a "right wing waco" or whatever. I am sure, based upon my personal research, that the USA will be attacked by all those who HATE OUR GUTS! We Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), January 20, 1999.


ewwww...take those [!!!!!!!!!!!] back, they dripped on my keyboard.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), January 20, 1999.

Mark Hillyard: You wrote: "I am sure, based upon my personal research, that the USA will be attacked by all those who HATE OUR GUTS"

Mark: any such claim must be backed by facts. Do you have any evidence that the military is preparing for a ground attack? Could you tell us about your research? Where can the rest of us find the info you base your conclusion on? How about some webpages URLs, organizations, names, etc.?

-- Tom B. (Tom@heads.up), January 20, 1999.


Question 5 in the FAQ linked from the Navy's NEPLO site reads:
Each year in the January time frame, the NEPLO billets are announced in the Naval Reservist News and by all NAVRESFOR message. The announcement includes available billets, application instructions and drill sites. The application package consists last 3 annual fitness reports, Officer Summary Record, Current Official Picture, listing of past Navy/Naval Reserve experience and a short (no more than 1 page) civilian bio.



-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), January 21, 1999.


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