Before I was 5 years old I almost died from diseases; was firebombed and my father abandoned me.

Before I was 10 years old I almost starved and froze to death and had to eat offal from a manure pile.

Before I was 15 years old I was homeless and became a squatter without water, heat or privy.

Before I was 20 years old I was send into slavery; again without water, heat or privy.

Before I was 25 years old I escaped and earned my way through college.

Since then Ive been punished for telling the truth to stupid and dishonest bosses.

Because of such omnipresent stupidity and dishonesty, family, friends and I will have to suffer.

Happy TEOTWAWKI!

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999

Answers

Your suffering won't be as bad as it will be for others.

-- navajoe (navajoe@puff.com), January 03, 1999.

Fascinating story. Two questions:

1. Where did all this stuff happen? (which country)

2. How is it you've been thru so much, but haven't learned basic life lessons, such as what sort of things NOT to say to a boss?

Most of us who live comfortable lives have learned how not to get fired from our jobs. Amazing that such a rudimentary concept has eluded you.

-- snowd-in (cantbelocated@aol.com), January 03, 1999.

Welcome back Timothy Fonseca. For anyone who is new here. This guy is another Bagga Doughnuts.

-- Dave (dave22@concentric.net), January 03, 1999.

"Most of us who live comfortable lives have learned how not to get fired from our jobs. Amazing that such a rudimentary concept has eluded you. "

This struck me as an amazingly cruel thing to say to such a sufferer, especially on this forum. The goal of life is not to live a comfortable life at any cost, although a comfortable life is pleasant. If that is the goal, and learning how to kiss up to lousy bosses is the best survival skill, then Y2K is totally justified and the frightened, short-term pleasing programmers are your heroes.

I have not lived a comfortable life. I have choosen not to be bound to untruthful hypocritical relationships to bosses. I've never been fired but have quit many jobs, at the third hint of intractable corruption of a boss.

What is your goal in life? Do you really not see that life is short, and then we die? Do you really think death is the end and there are no consequences to how we have lived our life?

Death is not the end. We pay for our life eternally. We have many more opportunities to correct ourselves, but our deeds stay in our akashic record forever. We have to pay for the suffering we cause others exponential times over. Think long-term and save yourself lifetimes of severe suffering. Because one life is comfy does not mean one is free to indulge in smug superiority and thus fail miserably at the test and be sent back for remedial training.

If Y2K becomes as bad as indications point, not many ppl will be comfy. If you are suddenly uncomfortable or lose your job, will your identity and self-esteem be rocked? Watch out. That foundation is built on shifting sand.

xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxx

-- Leska (allaha@earthlink.net), January 03, 1999.

Dear navajoe and snowd-in,

* Your suffering won't be as bad as it will be for others. *

Why?

1. In Germany and the US.

2. * How is it you've been thru so much, but haven't learned basic life lessons, such as what sort of things NOT to say to a boss? *

I've had a lot of jobs but I've never been fired or layed off. Strangely, experiencing TEOTWAWKI developed strong personality traits, one of which was honesty.

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

Black is black and white is white and right is right and wrong is wrong. I will never sell my soul to evil to keep a job or for my own self preservation. Indeed I tremble for this world when I reflect that GOD is just. If the people of the world lived life philosophically the way Leska does this world would be at peace. Personally I have become unemployable over the years because I would not bow down to evil ways. Yet, because of my honest approach to life, I have built and enjoyed the most successful business of my type in the history of my community, which in turn rewarded me the means to help others. I beleive that this is my reward from GOD. Yet today I am still being oppressed by the power structure. I beleive that because I have spoke out and never showed respect for the power structure I will continue being oppressed by this evil power but rewarded by GOD with financial success so I may continue helping others through their own oppresed lives. In todays world I beleive you are either the oppressors or the oppressed. Soon, there will be neither, as the world will live in peace and harmony, with evil destroyed. Today I choose to have true humility in my life and to humble myself to GOD and the world. Tomorrow, I will die for you if need be, to protect us all from the evil tyranny of the oppressors. Mike

-- flierdude (mkessler0101@sprynet.com), January 03, 1999.

Dear Dave #22,

Who are Timothy Fonseca and Bagga Gonuts?

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

Look, we've all been through this BS with you before. Either contribute something useful to this forum or take your crap elsewhere. Don't start trying to suck in the new members of this forum who haven't been through your "stories" before. Kitty in VA

-- Kitty in VA (kittyfelton@webtv.net), January 03, 1999.

Kitty,

I'm glad you realize who this nutcase is. He shows up about once a month or so with that line about eating from dungheaps. Anyone who buys that line does not have all their marbles.

-- Dave (dave22@concentric.net), January 03, 1999.

Dave, humbly I say to you:

It's people like you who may soon be forced to learn big lessons. I've already learned mine.

P.S. Are you a lawyer?

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

Hi Dave! Boy do I remember Timothy! Just a word of caution..don't give your real e-mail! He'll hound you to death, call you all kinds of names (especially calling you a racists). I think I saved some of his e-mails too. I think he went by Anthony Holguin and some others. You can go back in the archives and his posts may still be there. P.S. Dave: I think we had a bet going once where Anthony said he wouldn never post again and he did!

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), January 03, 1999.

I'm sorry Sherlocks, but I have never posted under the names you mentioned and I don't know who they are.

If you want to learn from my experiences, please ask me questions and I'll be glad to respond.

Thank you, Leska and flierdude, for believing what I had to say. It's not easy for me to think about my experiences, but Y2K is forcing me to do so.

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

Bardou,

Yes, we did once have a bet about TTF. Timothy Turkmouse Fonseca. He hounded a couple people right off the internet with his sick posts like the one above. Anthony Holguin was the name he used. So listen up folks. ....with this nutcase around, don't use your real mail address. He'll email you till your server explodes.

-- Dave (dave22@concentric.net), January 03, 1999.

Dave22,

You are a lawyer and are afraid to admit it! Are you ashamed of it? I would be.

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

Yes, TTF, we've seen it all before, too. For Leska and any other newer forum members, here is just a taste of TTF:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000AdM

-- Heather (YouMake@me.puke), January 03, 1999.

Yes, puke I did; and no one wants to learn from it. Experience will be the best teacher.

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

TTF, regardless of your circumstances, consider this: life is difficult. once we accept that fact, things are easier to accept. regardless of what your life beliefs are, getting rid of resentment and remorse is useful because as we get older, our memories of the recent past fade and memories of the distant past grow clearer. i for one don't want to spend my latter years reliving resentments from my childhood, and really, we all have them. deal with today. it's difficult. acceptance is the key.

-- Sharon Schultz (shalom100@aol.com), January 03, 1999.

Sharon,

I appreciate your input.

I am accepting it. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. It seems that Dave22 and a few others have difficulty accepting it.

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 03, 1999.

TTF, What is your point in listing all this everytime you post? I'm not trying to belittle the suffering. I didn't personally experience WWII, but have a father who was his(large) family's sole support by the time he was 12, in concentration camp by the time he was 13, walked across Europe (barefoot and in the winter) to escape, getting captured and reimprisoned for having no papers repeatedly, ended up with TB. A mother who lived through the whole war in Vienna, lost 3 brothers and one baby sister, etc. They were not Jewish or gypsy, had loving families and deep faith which sustained them. So I know how much more rotten it must have been for those in less fortunate circumstances. When my parents told their stories, it was to teach us to have compassion for others who have suffered in ways we could not imagine- not to make a big deal of having suffered themselves. But I still haven't been able to figure out what you are trying to communicate, unless it is simply rage, feeling of being cheated by life, self-pity. And if so, what do you expect us to do with that, beyond acknowledging that, yes, we read your message? We can hear you, but we cannot imagine what we haven't experienced, any more than you can imagine having grown up in a secure, warm environment.

-- Maria (encelia@mailexcite.com), January 04, 1999.

Mr. Turkmouse is pulling your chain. He's an alcoholic who sits at home and reads books all day. The only thing he is suffering or has ever suffered from is self pity. Get over it!

-- WAHWAH (WAHWAH@gog.com), January 04, 1999.

Since I graduated from college, I have experienced a zest for life that few people can experience. My wife and I traveled 6 continents; on donkeys in Greece, in rikshas in China, on luxury liners in the Caribbean.

Indulged in Chinese operas in a nightclubs in Hong Kong; watched firey limbo dancing in a night club in Hamilton, Bermuda.

Bugged my eyes out at bubble dancers in Istanbul, sailed through a typhoon to Japan.

Climbed to the castle of Neuschwanstein in Bavaria; to the Karlstein Castle in Czechoslovakia.

Shed tears at Dachau; felt creepy in medival torture museum in Rothenburg.

Soared with eagles at Delphi, admired the treasures in Topkapi Palace,

Stayed overnight in whorehouse in Amsterdam; and in Frankfurt. With my wife. (First trip low budget - brownbagging it.)

Flew a kite from a paddle boat up the Mississippi from New Orleans to St. Louis; sailed a Hobi Cat off Waikiki.

Cruised along Belize; sailed with Admiral birds and dove with Pelicans to snorkel at Goff Caye.

I'm proud that I survived the 2 decade-long assaults by homo sapiens. I'm proud of what I've accomplished since then.

Now it maybe TEOTWAWKI; because of homo sapiens. Makes me want to barf.

God bless you.

P.S. If you are planning for TEOTWAWKI, beside the little microbes, don't forget about the lice, fleas, worms, ringworms and mice. At one time I was subjected to their entertainment also.

-- TTF (seenit@ww2.com), January 04, 1999.

Yeah, and my great-great-grandfather was Abe Lincoln.

-- Dave (dave22@concentric.net), January 04, 1999.

Dear Dave22.

I knew this would draw a response of envy from you. Have seen this in others.

-- TTR (seenit@ww2.com), January 04, 1999.

To all of those who have the time and energy to "put down" TTF:

Whether TTF is a "real" person or simply the cyber creation of, ". . . an alcoholic who sits at home and reads books all day", is totally irrelevent to his message. Ignore or deny his words at your own peril. There ARE people who have experienced the exact things TTF speaks of. There ARE people who have experienced ALL of them and survived. If you persist in denial of these facts, your own survival in a Y2K "bad" scenario is extremely doubtful. The simple knowledge that humans have dealt with these issues before and overcome them is valuable to one's own survival effort.

If your life has been so sheltered that exposure to the knowledge that people will and have, in order to survive, done the things TTF speaks of causes you to go into denial or gag (either literally or figuratively) you are toast, whether Y2K causes problems or not!

The very enthusiasism of your protestations betrays your fear that such events and circumstances may be in your own future!

Wise up! Keep your mouths shut and your ears open and you might learn something of survival and the inherent toughness of the human spirit.

-- Hardliner (searcher@internet.com), January 04, 1999.

Hardliner,

Your statement is very true and very well expressed. I thank you.

-- TTR (seenit@ww2.com), January 04, 1999.

I personally like to read TTF's detailed posts of his personal account of past misery. They're but one account of millions. They serve me as reminders that I haven't experienced anything in my life to prepare me for the worse.

As I read his posts, I ask myself if I would have the guts it takes to survive a night, let alone a week, in the cold winter of TEOTWAWKI. It helps me prepare mentaly for the worse case scenario, should it occur.

Thanks for sharing your past experience TTF.

The upset, contemptuous responses you get sometimes also reminds me that should the worse case scenario occur, the Daves of this world will be the first ones to die off, as their minds are incapable to even accept, if not respect, the fact that suffering does, did, and will occur.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), January 04, 1999.

Hardliner, we're thinking too much alike, it's eery ;-) (Scary for you I'm sure ;-))Seems we posted at exact same time, as your and TTF's posts weren't there when I posted mine.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), January 04, 1999.

* Hardliner, we're thinking too much alike, it's eery ;-) *

Hardliner,

I have also felt this way for quite some time. I think I know why you chose that nom de plume. Wish we could talk.

-- TTR trying to remember (seenit@ww2.com), January 04, 1999.

Dear Chris,

* Thanks for sharing your past experience TTF. *

I have almost finished my memoir. What frustrates me so much about Y2K is that it might not get published. I have a very strong desire to do so; probably because of the pride that this softy can be tough. I cannot let my hell and triumph be unknown and forgotten.

My obituary might say:

TTR belonged to the Hearing Aid Battery Club and to the American Yogurt Culture Association.

Haven't joined yet.

-- TTR (seenit@ww2.com), January 04, 1999.

That obituary would be hard for me to read on your tombstone, knowing what you have written here about yourself. I'd think; what's the meaning of life, what's the use of living at all, if all that one leaves behind is this memory, forever engraved for new generations to read? What was the meaning and use of TTF's suffering? Of his accomplishments? I know MY meaning of life; it's to continue procreation and the human race, and passing on knowledge to the next generations. So your life will have meaning only to yourself as long as you live, if you don't write your own memoirs to leave behind before you go. Doesn't really matter how many people read it, one or thousands, but at least one other person must read it.

-- Chris (catsy@pond.com), January 04, 1999.

TTF posted: "Before I was 10 years old I almost starved and froze to death and had to eat offal from a manure pile."

Would you please tell us how you survived this?

A fireman on the radio just said that if the power goes out and the water pressure drops to cetain levels, sewage may get pushed into the domestic water systems because of leaks in both systems.

-- Thyphoid Mary (arke@ww2.com), January 06, 1999.

Mary,

first you wash your hands, then the water, then the food. Bon appetit!

-- seenit@ww2.com (.@...), January 07, 1999.