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2nd Ed. of Ed may spell The end of Ed's World as he knew it. Ed's house of cards has about 2 months left before it all comes apart. The book will be a disaster. If it went to press in November as he claims it will be missing much positive SEC and Utility info. My sources (yeah I don't believe i have sources either,) tell me look for terrific Utility news soon. Once the grid going down is off the table everything will fall in place. Banking will come on board soon after. What's Left? Solar Flares? GPS. Great, no more waiting on line at the deli while some moron with a cell phone if front of me puts moves on his baby sitter.

Check the dates on your left. When we start hitting them with little or no disruption look for Bomb 2000 to be Bomb of the Century. Probably pick them up for a couple of bucks apiece in June or July.

I'm not as worried about stupid panic as I was since soon the good news will be comming on a daily basis. Ed will move back to the City to get a real job or maybe use what he's learned on this web site to get into ECOMM. Remember those "I survived Y2K" t-shirts.

Does anyone have information they would like to share about Ed getting laughed off Oprah? Must have been a hoot.

I think I'll hang around awhile. I'm not one to say "I told you so" but I would like to see if the loudmouths slink away or say they knew it all along.

Have a Nice Day

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), December 28, 1998


It's a Festivus Miricle! All is well. The sun will come up tommorow, bet your bottom dollar on tommorow....

Jimmy your post makes me want to run right out and take back my rice, guns, firewood. I could use that extra money to buy a few shares of Amazon.com! The magic wand is being waved over the US, next Japan, Russia, Mideast, Europe, hell lets through in Mexico and South America, too. Forget "Don't worry, be happy", we're blasting Bob Marley's "Don't worry bout a thing, cause every little thing is going to be alright".

-- Bill (bill@microsoft.com), December 28, 1998.

I am reminded of the role of the trickster in indigenous peoples' spirituality. How many of us are playing into the trickster's games, instead of listening to the ironic and fine wisdom that his opposite displays? If this last sentence is too subtle for you let's try this...an old farmer's saying:

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Learn what you can from all around you and let your animosity go...It is what has gotten the world in the horrible state it's in...ignorance of this adage.

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), December 28, 1998.

Jimmy Bagga Donuts.....Do you know anyone who wants to purchase a 2- year's supply of food and water? All of sudden I feel the urge to shoot for the moon. I'll let my cash stash trickle back into the economy undetected, and I am relieved that all is well now. I can sleep through the night knowing that I don't have anything to worry about. And one more thing, I'M SICK OF WALLY WORLD!...Bardou

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), December 28, 1998.

Teach a pig to sing? I thought it was - to dance! Jimmy BD hasn't figured out that this Y2K thing is about uncertainty, deadly uncertainty. But hey, the government has never lied about important stuff before now. We can trust Bill and Hillary and K man to give us the straight stuff. I mean, just look at the fabulous job the FAA and the DoD are doing.( Now don't I remember a press release about the FAA being 100% compliant by Sept 98? And what was that news article about the Pentagon lying about nuclear weapons Y2K testing?) Well yes, there is the fact that the consequences of being wrong about this unique event may be fatal. But shhhhh, don't tell him. I want to hear the loud gulp when he realizes that a bag of donuts is his last meal. And he learns to sing, er dance.

-- RD. ->H (drherr@erols.com), December 28, 1998.

Please tell us the future Mr. Doughtnut!

-- Type r (Sortapreparin@polly.anna), December 28, 1998.

No...I'm sure it's "how to teach a pig to sing"...they already know how to dance.

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), December 28, 1998.

Wow............do I ever feel like a fool. After spending the last year+ trying to explain the scope of the problem to local leaders, and finally confirming a 'tri-county' contingency meeting with the Sheriffs, commissioners and Disaster Preparedness Teams, Jan. 23rd, 1999, I now have to inform eveyone "it's O.K. now---forget I mentioned it".

What's a person to do?

-- WAAHOO (bobb@mtjeff.com), December 28, 1998.

And now that we all have egg all over our face, what's next? I think I'll change my name and lay low for a while.

-- bardou (Bardou@baloney.com), December 28, 1998.

It means you drop back, think, and come again...did no one ever teach you how to do it? Problem Solving 101. Drop back. Sit Dwon...Listen within and without. Does no one teach this anymore? I may not be all right, but I am not all wrong. It is long past time for human beings to reject the black and white dichotomous nonsense for something that works.

-- Donna Barthuley (moment@pacbell.net), December 28, 1998.


I would really like to know how old you are. I'm still gathering information to establish how long a human can live without a brain.


-- M (007@Q.com), December 28, 1998.

Bardou, Is that powdered egg on your face?

-- Bill (bill@microsoft.com), December 28, 1998.

Bill: Powdered if your storing it, raw if you have chickens....Bardou

-- Bardou (Bardou@baloney.com), December 28, 1998.

Actually, folks, it's not such a bad thing having JBD around from time to time, as he's the ultimate example of an average intelligence DWGI. He cannot, absolutely cannot controvert the factual information regarding problems with PLCs, broken code, lack of effective response by government and industry, and so forth. Because of this he's suffering from a severe problem wherein his beliefs are discontiguous with the rest of reality. His solution, based entirely on his own ego, is to do the electronic of closing his eyes and humming real loud with his fingers in his ears, so he can't see or hear anything going on around him. annoying? yes, certainly. self-eliminating problem in about 12.2 months? you betcha! BUT a good reminder for all of us that some folks simply will never get it, and will find themselves standing in front of St Peter saying "but it was all a giant hoax...wasn't it?"


-- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), December 28, 1998.

The Jimmy has a point. If it all turns out to be a big bust does anyone expect to hear an apology from the folks saying the world is ending? Nope they will just do like the White House and put another spin on it and start all over again with another "crisis". Frankly I'm tired of everything being a crisis. The world has continued to spin around on it's axis and will hopefully contiue to do so for a while.

I'm one of the people everybody loves to hate. I have money, sucess, an education, some ambition, a big house, food,generators, etc. You know why? Because I worked for it!!!! Nobody gave it to me. Nobody leveled my playing field. Nobody blessed me. Nobody gave me anything, period. I just got tired of listening to people saying it can't be done so I went and did something. Am I bragging? You bet your ass I am. Why? To make a point. I was worried and still am about potential problems with Y2K, I still am. But guess what? If it all falls down I'll just start all over again. Been poor, been broke, been there, done that. If I don't use what I've stashed then I'll make sure it goes to folks who can use it. I sure as hell am not going to roll over and die, not my style. Proved that during my Senior trip to SE Asia.

So do what you feel is right for you but don't follow somebody elses vision just because you think your's might be a little foggy.

just my .02 worth.....

-- freelancer (freelancer@yahoo.com), December 29, 1998.

SO, who is trolling whom. Very intelligent responses. I'll make it easy for you.


Now, who thinks PSE&G would be letting the New York Times into thier Y2K war room if they didn't have the problem nailed. Forget about the YourDoneFor mantra that programming never finishis on time. He has to say that so he can sell books and videos as deep into 1999 as possible. Just a thought but maybe just ED never finished anything on time because he was a lousy programmer. Chew on that a while.

David Koresh/Bill Clinton x Anthony Robbins = Ed Yourdon

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), December 29, 1998.


Sounds like you have penis envy 8-)

-- Duane (Duane24062@aol.com), December 29, 1998.

Alternatively, Jimmy has never seen a 120 person IT shop get the assignment for an 80,000 man-hour development project due in 9 months. And, no, the rest of the stuff going on had to continue. Go ahead, do the math


Further alternative: He has never been told by someone higher up on the management pecking order that something he is doing is to be done in half the time he needs to do it. And been held accountable to the rest of teh management sniping order when it took as long as he said, and not asw long as he was told. c

-- Chuck a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 29, 1998.

Gotta face the truth eventually, folks -- why not do it now?

Jimmy's not ours to fix.

Same holds for many other people, more than likely including some close friends and relatives.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), December 29, 1998.


I think you need a penis before you can have "penis envy."

-- Anti-chainsaw (Tree@hugger.com), December 29, 1998.

Does this mean that you can't teach a pig to code?

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), December 29, 1998.

Jimmy, This thread gives a good opportunity for a few pollyanna whatif's. Your capitalized emphasis on power is a good starting point. Lets postulate that you are right and electrical power generation and distribution will have absolutely NO problems 1/1/2000. However, lets further imagine that a full 90% of all critical government and business systems are fully fixed and totally error free. And lastly, lets imagine the rest of the world with 75% of its critical government and business systems fixed and error free. What would be the most likely outcome of such a scenario?

Answer: a massive Depression in the US, large scale regional wars elsewhere with severe political instability everywhere.

You are going to see lots of organizations claiming to be "compliant" or "ready". The problem is that large organizations, even with Time Machine testing, can truly simulate end to end production environments. A 10% failure rate of "critical" systems can easily crash a company.

Jimmy, go to your local night school and take a simple programming course. Then try writing a simple Tic-Tac-Toe game program. You'll get the idea - and maybe you'll learn how to sing.

-- RD. ->H (drherr@erols.com), December 29, 1998.

Good idea, R.D.! And to make a lasting impression, NO GUI TOOLS ALLOWED. Structure charts must be hand-drawn.

Now...what language (aside from obscene) would best suite the pupil? COBOL? FORTRAN? LISP? JOVIAL?

-- Tim (pixmo@pixelquest.com), December 29, 1998.

Tim - Whaddayou, kidding? Make it something really nasty, like Ada or assembler or perhaps Forth. Actually, Forth wouldn't be too bad, since it doesn't support GOTOs and suchlike. Make it something really old and nasty, allow him to produce an estimate for cost and duration, then tell him that he has to have it done in half that time/cost. "Management challenge" and all that. Then give him some trainee about 2/3 through the project and tell him that you expect the project to get done sooner now that he has help. "C'mon, Jimmy, you're a smart guy, you'll figure a way..."

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.com), December 29, 1998.

Lets "postulate" that you are right and electrical power generation and distribution will have absolutely NO problems 1/1/2000.

I can't postulate, I have penis envy. This thread sucks, sorry all, I'll try to do better.

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), December 29, 1998.

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